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Anonymous
September 24, 2005 7:11:24 PM

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Well, not really a tech question. I'm thinking of buying one, since I
played this a lot on location and liked it a lot. The speech, the sounds,
the mini panchiko thing. I played one at Allentown in '99 I think, a red
cab version.

Knowing that this is the same system and build as BK pretty much, what
typically goes wrong with these pins besides the interconnect? What would I
be in for? I'm mostly an EM tech guy, so I appreciate the advice.
I am asking, because nobody EVER posts a tech about Jungle Lord but every
day about BK. And I know somebody owns a Jungle Lord pin. It's not that
bad a game. So what if there's no bumper. I own a Stern Lightning pin, and
it's one of the best solid state pins I own. Similar to BK without the high
price tag.

Thanks guys,
Josh
http://www.pingeek.com
Pinball dvds for sale online and at The York Show, 10/7 - 10/8,
http://www.theyorkshow.com

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Anonymous
September 24, 2005 7:11:25 PM

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Someone had one for sale at CAX (I think he wanted $800). Personally,
I think you'd be better off with a Grand Lizard.

-Gregg B
Anonymous
September 24, 2005 7:11:25 PM

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JL doesn't have speech, does it? All I remember are animal type sounds.
I like the game. I had to dismantle mine because it became infested
with post-beetles and had cabinet rot, but while it lasted, I liked to
play it.

As far as things going wrong...just like any other game from the
period. The circuit boards can be burned, rotted, bad. The displays
have serious longevity problems that are expensive to repair, but once
done should last long time. Backglass may suffer crom cracking,
flaking, peeling. Old microswitches are often bad. Typical stuff.

-cody
CARGPB#4


Pin Geek wrote:
> Well, not really a tech question. I'm thinking of buying one, since I
> played this a lot on location and liked it a lot. The speech, the sounds,
> the mini panchiko thing. I played one at Allentown in '99 I think, a red
> cab version.
>
> Knowing that this is the same system and build as BK pretty much, what
> typically goes wrong with these pins besides the interconnect? What would I
> be in for? I'm mostly an EM tech guy, so I appreciate the advice.
> I am asking, because nobody EVER posts a tech about Jungle Lord but every
> day about BK. And I know somebody owns a Jungle Lord pin. It's not that
> bad a game. So what if there's no bumper. I own a Stern Lightning pin, and
> it's one of the best solid state pins I own. Similar to BK without the high
> price tag.
>
> Thanks guys,
> Josh
> http://www.pingeek.com
> Pinball dvds for sale online and at The York Show, 10/7 - 10/8,
> http://www.theyorkshow.com
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Anonymous
September 24, 2005 7:11:25 PM

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"Pin Geek" wrote:
> Knowing that this is the same system and build as BK pretty much, what
> typically goes wrong with these pins besides the interconnect? What would
I
> be in for?

Mostly consider anything that is an "old-age" related problem- these are the
most common problems or causes of problems in these games. Best things to
do right off the bat on an older, generally "untouched" game like this would
be:

- Remove all circuit boards and reflow solder on backs of all connector
pins- you'll find a LOT of cracked joints that are the cause of intermittent
operation problems (old age stuff). This will drastically increase the
overall reliability of the game. The 40-pin inter-board connector may need
special attention- consider replacing pins if worn too badly and look for
damaged, corroded, mashed, or missing pins in the female (driver board)
side.
- Power supply upgrade. Replace the filter capacitor on the power supply
for the 5vdc regulator circuitry. Give it a healthy new unit. Units of
original specs aren't made anymore so you have to substitute a "modern"
equivalent. We have a really good filter cap that we sell and use on these
old games that works great. Also replace the bridge rectifier for the 5vdc
circuitry as these tend to fail frequently when they're old and worn out.
We carry a heavy duty unit for replacement.
- Flippers. This game uses the old "one-piece" flipper baseplate design
with built-in coil stop that is impossible to change out without replacing
the whole baseplate. If you're keeping the game long-term, consider
swapping all of the old units out with modern Bally/Williams units- new (if
you can find the parts) or used, rebuilding with a flipper rebuild kit is
also an option- same fit, etc.- but perform much better and much easier to
maintain as time goes on.
- Drop targets. Often these get gummed up or sticky over the years and need
lubrication or a full tear-down and rebuild to get them to work good and
reliably.

Issues with the electronics (old age problems) are what most commonly plague
these classic games, so start in the backbox and get everything running
healthy before moving on to the playfield mechanics. You'll have a good
reliable, fun, good-playing game if you do it right and invest the
time/money to do it right.

Ray J.
--
Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
Salt Lake City, Utah USA
Web: www.actionpinball.com

We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
Anonymous
September 24, 2005 7:11:25 PM

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OK. Maybe I was thinking of GrandLizard...

-cody
CARGPB#4

Ray Johnson - Action Pinball wrote:
> <cchunn3@comcast.net> wrote:
> > JL doesn't have speech, does it?
>
> It does have speech.
>
> Ray J.
> --
> Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> Web: www.actionpinball.com
>
> We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
September 24, 2005 7:11:25 PM

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Yes it does have speech. :+)
Anonymous
September 24, 2005 7:11:26 PM

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<cchunn3@comcast.net> wrote:
> JL doesn't have speech, does it?

It does have speech.

Ray J.
--
Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
Salt Lake City, Utah USA
Web: www.actionpinball.com

We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
Anonymous
September 25, 2005 1:34:38 AM

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Thanks Ray.

--
Josh
http://www.pingeek.com
Pinball dvds for sale online and at The York Show, 10/7 - 10/8,
http://www.theyorkshow.com
"Ray Johnson - Action Pinball" <staff@actionpinball.com> wrote in message
news:lPqdnVSJMcFAM6jeRVn-hA@aros.net...
> "Pin Geek" wrote:
>> Knowing that this is the same system and build as BK pretty much, what
>> typically goes wrong with these pins besides the interconnect? What
>> would
> I
>> be in for?
>
> Mostly consider anything that is an "old-age" related problem- these are
> the
> most common problems or causes of problems in these games. Best things to
> do right off the bat on an older, generally "untouched" game like this
> would
> be:
>
> - Remove all circuit boards and reflow solder on backs of all connector
> pins- you'll find a LOT of cracked joints that are the cause of
> intermittent
> operation problems (old age stuff). This will drastically increase the
> overall reliability of the game. The 40-pin inter-board connector may
> need
> special attention- consider replacing pins if worn too badly and look for
> damaged, corroded, mashed, or missing pins in the female (driver board)
> side.
> - Power supply upgrade. Replace the filter capacitor on the power supply
> for the 5vdc regulator circuitry. Give it a healthy new unit. Units of
> original specs aren't made anymore so you have to substitute a "modern"
> equivalent. We have a really good filter cap that we sell and use on
> these
> old games that works great. Also replace the bridge rectifier for the
> 5vdc
> circuitry as these tend to fail frequently when they're old and worn out.
> We carry a heavy duty unit for replacement.
> - Flippers. This game uses the old "one-piece" flipper baseplate design
> with built-in coil stop that is impossible to change out without replacing
> the whole baseplate. If you're keeping the game long-term, consider
> swapping all of the old units out with modern Bally/Williams units- new
> (if
> you can find the parts) or used, rebuilding with a flipper rebuild kit is
> also an option- same fit, etc.- but perform much better and much easier to
> maintain as time goes on.
> - Drop targets. Often these get gummed up or sticky over the years and
> need
> lubrication or a full tear-down and rebuild to get them to work good and
> reliably.
>
> Issues with the electronics (old age problems) are what most commonly
> plague
> these classic games, so start in the backbox and get everything running
> healthy before moving on to the playfield mechanics. You'll have a good
> reliable, fun, good-playing game if you do it right and invest the
> time/money to do it right.
>
> Ray J.
> --
> Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> Web: www.actionpinball.com
>
> We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
>
>
Anonymous
September 25, 2005 3:04:51 AM

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Yes, that's what you were thinking! :) 

No speech on GL.

--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
******************


<cchunn3@comcast.net> wrote > OK. Maybe I was thinking of GrandLizard...
> > Ray J.
> > --
> > Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
> > Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> > Web: www.actionpinball.com
> >
> > We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
>
Anonymous
September 25, 2005 3:42:00 AM

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On 24 Sep 2005 12:29:10 -0700, cchunn3@comcast.net wrote:

>JL doesn't have speech, does it? All I remember are animal type sounds.
>I like the game. I had to dismantle mine because it became infested
>with post-beetles and had cabinet rot, but while it lasted, I liked to
>play it.
>
>As far as things going wrong...just like any other game from the
>period. The circuit boards can be burned, rotted, bad. The displays
>have serious longevity problems that are expensive to repair, but once
>done should last long time. Backglass may suffer crom cracking,
>flaking, peeling. Old microswitches are often bad. Typical stuff.
>
>-cody
>CARGPB#4
>
>
>Pin Geek wrote:
>> Well, not really a tech question. I'm thinking of buying one, since I
>> played this a lot on location and liked it a lot. The speech, the sounds,
>> the mini panchiko thing. I played one at Allentown in '99 I think, a red
>> cab version.
>>
>> Knowing that this is the same system and build as BK pretty much, what
>> typically goes wrong with these pins besides the interconnect? What would I
>> be in for? I'm mostly an EM tech guy, so I appreciate the advice.
>> I am asking, because nobody EVER posts a tech about Jungle Lord but every
>> day about BK. And I know somebody owns a Jungle Lord pin. It's not that
>> bad a game. So what if there's no bumper. I own a Stern Lightning pin, and
>> it's one of the best solid state pins I own. Similar to BK without the high
>> price tag.
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>> Josh
>> http://www.pingeek.com
>> Pinball dvds for sale online and at The York Show, 10/7 - 10/8,
>> http://www.theyorkshow.com


I have the 3 of the 4, system 7 dual playfield games. I don't I will ever get a hold of a Solar Fire. (It would be nice)
A friend of mine mentioned tonight that he loves playing the Jungle Lord. It does talk.
The Pharaoh is in project status at the moment. I can't comment on that one yet.
I like the JL & the BK, I think they are both classics. Of course, this comes from a guy that only has SS games.
I don't have much of an interest in DMDs, but if an EM came my way, that would be cool.
I remember playing Lady Luck at Marty's Playland in Ocean City. I think I liked it so much, because it was the only one that was still a nickel.

I also have a Lightning, I think that is cool game also. The flipper assemblies were shot, so I pieced them together. I could not duplicate the dual
EOS switch. I paralleled the upper & lower coils, they just don't have the kick that they should. I need to come up with the best way to apply current
separately. Maybe it is because of the flippers, I don't have a lot of success getting multi ball.

Really, all the system 7 dual playfield games are the basically the same as far as maintenance goes. Burned IDC & Molex connectors, pins between the
driver & cpu boards. Just do the mods from Marvin Gs site. It seems that the backglasses on all those games aren't very good now days. Too bad there
are not replacements for the other 3. My Pharaoh & JL both need backglasses.

John
!