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October 7, 2004 3:02:14 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.broadbandnet.hardware (More info?)

Instead of using a USB or PCI Adapter, can you substitue a
2nd router instead and how would you hook this up? I can
get get the routers cheaper than the adapters! I want to
share internet and files between 2 win 98 desktops.

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October 8, 2004 5:37:48 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.broadbandnet.hardware (More info?)

Well since this is a Microsoft newsgroup I'll give you the answer for
the Microsoft hardware.

Run a wire. (short version)

One of the two following hardware configurations will allow you to
expand your Microsoft Broadband Network.

The first one is connected via wires & the second one is connected via
wireless.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wired connection configuration information.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #2 --> WAN port of MN-500 or MN-700 #2
MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #3 --> WAN port of MN-500 or
MN-700 #3 (if available)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wireless connection configuration information.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

(For this configuration you can only use WEP & MAC filtering, for
wireless security, because the MN-740 doesn't support WPA.)

Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-500 or MN-700 #1
MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #2
MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #3 (if available)

You will have to configure each MN-740 on an Xbox to connect to the
wireless network you want the second & third router to connect to.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
General configuration information for both network connection types.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Make sure all MN-100's & MN-500's are running the latest firmware which
is 1.11.017

Make sure all MN-700's are running the latest firmware which is 2.01.02.0590

Make sure all MN-740's are running the latest firmware which is 1.00.02.0021

Now let’s look at the setup of each MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700:

MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
Router mode
LAN IP address at default of 192.168.2.1
Some SSID (if wireless)
Some WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
Channel 6 (if wireless)

MN-500 or MN-700 #2
Bridge mode
LAN IP address at 192.168.2.42, outside of default DHCP range
Same SSID
Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
Channel 1

MN-500 or MN-700 #3 (if available)
Bridge mode
LAN IP address at 192.168.2.43, outside of default DHCP range
Same SSID
Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
Channel 11


If you keep the SSID and WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network
supports WPA) the same for all base stations, people will be able to
move between locations and get a connection, without needing to change
there configuration as they move.

If you are using WEP on some but WPA on other wireless routers you will
have to reconfigure the wireless settings as you switch between wireless
networks.

You need to select non-overlapping channels for the base stations to
prevent interference.

Non-overlapping channels have at least 5 channels between them as 1, 6,
& 11 do.

Channels 1, 6, & 11 are the three non-overlapping channels.

There are more combinations if you only need two channels.

One last note 2.4 & many 5.8 GHz phones (The models that use the 2.4 GHz
frequency as well as the 5.8 GHZ frequency) will cause interference with
802.11b & 802.11g wireless networking hardware, as 802.11b & 802.11g
both use the 2.4 GHz frequency.


Dave wrote:

> Instead of using a USB or PCI Adapter, can you substitue a
> 2nd router instead and how would you hook this up? I can
> get get the routers cheaper than the adapters! I want to
> share internet and files between 2 win 98 desktops.

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Anonymous
October 8, 2004 10:05:11 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.broadbandnet.hardware (More info?)

You can;t substitute NIC with router...
You gonna need both (2PC's /w NICs and a router) in order to share Inet and
files..... Good Luck


"Dave" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1acc01c4ac97$c67daa20$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> Instead of using a USB or PCI Adapter, can you substitue a
> 2nd router instead and how would you hook this up? I can
> get get the routers cheaper than the adapters! I want to
> share internet and files between 2 win 98 desktops.
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Anonymous
October 26, 2004 11:49:15 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.broadbandnet.hardware (More info?)

I've seen you post this response about a dozen times, but I
don't think it ever answers the question. Let me rephrase
it, maybe you can explain it better.

You are limited to:
1 PC, 2 wires, 2 wireless routers (e.g. MN-500), 1
broadband modem.

PC <-- MN-500#1 (wireless) MN-500#2 --> Modem

Is this possible? The purpose is to replace a dedicated
"bridging adapter" with a spare MN-500. In the real world,
the MN-500#2 is also working as a switch for a few other
machines, but for simplicity's sake, leave them out.




>-----Original Message-----
>Well since this is a Microsoft newsgroup I'll give you the
answer for
>the Microsoft hardware.
>
>Run a wire. (short version)
>
>One of the two following hardware configurations will
allow you to
>expand your Microsoft Broadband Network.
>
>The first one is connected via wires & the second one is
connected via
>wireless.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Wired connection configuration information.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
>MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #2 --> WAN port of
MN-500 or MN-700 #2
>MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #3 --> WAN port of
MN-500 or
>MN-700 #3 (if available)
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Wireless connection configuration information.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>(For this configuration you can only use WEP & MAC
filtering, for
>wireless security, because the MN-740 doesn't support WPA.)
>
>Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-500 or MN-700 #1
>MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #2
>MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #3 (if available)
>
>You will have to configure each MN-740 on an Xbox to
connect to the
>wireless network you want the second & third router to
connect to.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>General configuration information for both network
connection types.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Make sure all MN-100's & MN-500's are running the latest
firmware which
>is 1.11.017
>
>Make sure all MN-700's are running the latest firmware
which is 2.01.02.0590
>
>Make sure all MN-740's are running the latest firmware
which is 1.00.02.0021
>
>Now let's look at the setup of each MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700:
>
>MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
>Router mode
>LAN IP address at default of 192.168.2.1
>Some SSID (if wireless)
>Some WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
>Channel 6 (if wireless)
>
>MN-500 or MN-700 #2
>Bridge mode
>LAN IP address at 192.168.2.42, outside of default DHCP range
>Same SSID
>Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
>Channel 1
>
>MN-500 or MN-700 #3 (if available)
>Bridge mode
>LAN IP address at 192.168.2.43, outside of default DHCP range
>Same SSID
>Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
>Channel 11
>
>
>If you keep the SSID and WEP key or WPA key (If the entire
network
>supports WPA) the same for all base stations, people will
be able to
>move between locations and get a connection, without
needing to change
>there configuration as they move.
>
>If you are using WEP on some but WPA on other wireless
routers you will
>have to reconfigure the wireless settings as you switch
between wireless
>networks.
>
>You need to select non-overlapping channels for the base
stations to
>prevent interference.
>
>Non-overlapping channels have at least 5 channels between
them as 1, 6,
>& 11 do.
>
>Channels 1, 6, & 11 are the three non-overlapping channels.
>
>There are more combinations if you only need two channels.
>
>One last note 2.4 & many 5.8 GHz phones (The models that
use the 2.4 GHz
>frequency as well as the 5.8 GHZ frequency) will cause
interference with
>802.11b & 802.11g wireless networking hardware, as 802.11b
& 802.11g
>both use the 2.4 GHz frequency.
>
>
>Dave wrote:
>
>> Instead of using a USB or PCI Adapter, can you substitue a
>> 2nd router instead and how would you hook this up? I can
>> get get the routers cheaper than the adapters! I want to
>> share internet and files between 2 win 98 desktops.
>
>--
>Please do not contact me directly or ask me to contact you
directly for
>assistance.
>
>If your question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
>
>If it's not worth posting you should have done a search on
>http://www.google.com/
http://www.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&q= or
>http://news.google.com/froogle?hl=en&tab=nf&ned=us&q=
before wasting our
>time.
>.
>
Anonymous
October 26, 2004 7:06:26 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.broadbandnet.hardware (More info?)

You can not use the MN500 or MN700 to bridge wirelessly.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:49:15 -0700, <jmarkevich@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I've seen you post this response about a dozen times, but I
>don't think it ever answers the question. Let me rephrase
>it, maybe you can explain it better.
>
>You are limited to:
>1 PC, 2 wires, 2 wireless routers (e.g. MN-500), 1
>broadband modem.
>
>PC <-- MN-500#1 (wireless) MN-500#2 --> Modem
>
>Is this possible? The purpose is to replace a dedicated
>"bridging adapter" with a spare MN-500. In the real world,
>the MN-500#2 is also working as a switch for a few other
>machines, but for simplicity's sake, leave them out.
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Well since this is a Microsoft newsgroup I'll give you the
>answer for
>>the Microsoft hardware.
>>
>>Run a wire. (short version)
>>
>>One of the two following hardware configurations will
>allow you to
>>expand your Microsoft Broadband Network.
>>
>>The first one is connected via wires & the second one is
>connected via
>>wireless.
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Wired connection configuration information.
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
>>MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #2 --> WAN port of
>MN-500 or MN-700 #2
>>MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #3 --> WAN port of
>MN-500 or
>>MN-700 #3 (if available)
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Wireless connection configuration information.
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>(For this configuration you can only use WEP & MAC
>filtering, for
>>wireless security, because the MN-740 doesn't support WPA.)
>>
>>Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-500 or MN-700 #1
>>MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #2
>>MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #3 (if available)
>>
>>You will have to configure each MN-740 on an Xbox to
>connect to the
>>wireless network you want the second & third router to
>connect to.
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>General configuration information for both network
>connection types.
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Make sure all MN-100's & MN-500's are running the latest
>firmware which
>>is 1.11.017
>>
>>Make sure all MN-700's are running the latest firmware
>which is 2.01.02.0590
>>
>>Make sure all MN-740's are running the latest firmware
>which is 1.00.02.0021
>>
>>Now let's look at the setup of each MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700:
>>
>>MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
>>Router mode
>>LAN IP address at default of 192.168.2.1
>>Some SSID (if wireless)
>>Some WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
>>Channel 6 (if wireless)
>>
>>MN-500 or MN-700 #2
>>Bridge mode
>>LAN IP address at 192.168.2.42, outside of default DHCP range
>>Same SSID
>>Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
>>Channel 1
>>
>>MN-500 or MN-700 #3 (if available)
>>Bridge mode
>>LAN IP address at 192.168.2.43, outside of default DHCP range
>>Same SSID
>>Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
>>Channel 11
>>
>>
>>If you keep the SSID and WEP key or WPA key (If the entire
>network
>>supports WPA) the same for all base stations, people will
>be able to
>>move between locations and get a connection, without
>needing to change
>>there configuration as they move.
>>
>>If you are using WEP on some but WPA on other wireless
>routers you will
>>have to reconfigure the wireless settings as you switch
>between wireless
>>networks.
>>
>>You need to select non-overlapping channels for the base
>stations to
>>prevent interference.
>>
>>Non-overlapping channels have at least 5 channels between
>them as 1, 6,
>>& 11 do.
>>
>>Channels 1, 6, & 11 are the three non-overlapping channels.
>>
>>There are more combinations if you only need two channels.
>>
>>One last note 2.4 & many 5.8 GHz phones (The models that
>use the 2.4 GHz
>>frequency as well as the 5.8 GHZ frequency) will cause
>interference with
>>802.11b & 802.11g wireless networking hardware, as 802.11b
>& 802.11g
>>both use the 2.4 GHz frequency.
>>
>>
>>Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Instead of using a USB or PCI Adapter, can you substitue a
>>> 2nd router instead and how would you hook this up? I can
>>> get get the routers cheaper than the adapters! I want to
>>> share internet and files between 2 win 98 desktops.
>>
>>--
>>Please do not contact me directly or ask me to contact you
>directly for
>>assistance.
>>
>>If your question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
>>
>>If it's not worth posting you should have done a search on
>>http://www.google.com/
>http://www.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&q= or
>>http://news.google.com/froogle?hl=en&tab=nf&ned=us&q=
>before wasting our
>>time.
>>.
>>

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