AMD's Fab36

[Ned_Flanders]

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2564" target="_new">Still only a 90nm production capability, 65nm production is to be 'added' later</A>

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[HardWareBoss]

Bird Flu at AMD.

 

[endyen]

Those 300mm wafers are huge.

 

[HardWareBoss]

300MM

 

[ytoledano]

It seems Intel will have a large head start over AMD with 65nm (like with 130->90), it also seems like 65nm solves little, frequency wise (like with 130->90) and will mostly reduce costs - I'm seeing a pattern here...

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[endyen]

Neanwhile, Amd will no doubt benefit greatly again from another die shrink.
How long will it be before Intel realizes that SOI is worth it?

 

[ytoledano]

'bout the time they realize the on-die mem controller's short term benefits are worth it.

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[endyen]

2007?

 

[theholylancer]

well i would hope that AMD put more R&D into their die shrinks so that no northwood --> prescott happends with AMD lol....

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[ChipDeath]

It's not the process as such. Intel have managed some fairly decent chips in the P-M camp at 90nm. They just completely screwed scotty up.

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[ytoledano]

yup, actually, AMD has made very few changes to its core since it moved to .13 - they added more cache, extensions and an on-die mem controler, then shrunk it again.

Prescott had undergone changes so it could beat the Athlon with frequency alone, like Northwood succefully did, and it might have done if it had really done ~4.6Ghz.

Big if.

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[Xeon]

Intel keeps using its strained silicon technology rather than SOI (silicon on insulator) which is known to suffer less from current leakage. However, the firm says it has increased the straining process by as much as 15% while leaving the isolating layer between gates and electrodes at 1.2 nm.

They will learn when they choose to, until then the fact of the matter is SOI adds costs per wafer upwards of 15% per wafer. Fiscally speaking it makes more sense to play out existing and perfectly fine technologies especially when dealing with costs of equipment in regards to moving to 300mm wafers.

If the situation could be looked at objectively (I know that’s not possible for you guys). I would appear AMD was hasty and cut into their own margins for the sake of mediocre leakage reduction since the real power is the design of the K8 line not the process technology.

-Jeremy Dach

 

[endyen]

SOI adds costs per wafer upwards of 15% per wafer.

That's higher than what I had heard, but even still, the $7 per chip would be saved in a few months of electrical bills.

I would appear AMD was hasty and cut into their own margins for the sake of mediocre leakage reduction

doesn't make sense. You said K8 was basicly K7, yet the K8s, after the die shrink have marked less current leakage.
Face it, Intel has a serious leakage problem.

 

[Crashman]

K8's are basically K7's like P-M's are basically Tualatins.

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[endyen]

Oh, and this one's for you <A HREF="http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_content.asp?id=paxville&cookie_test=1" target="_new">xeon</A>
Too bad they didn't spend the extra few $ on SOI there.
Even if it only cut back a hundred watts or so. Not that it could keep up, but at least it would be almost usable.

 

[Era]

My guess is that Intel just didn't want to pay IBM for using SOI. A big mistake!

I think, for what I have heard and read during the years, Intel has become the most arrogant, bullying and corrupt company in IT-business. Today Intel is all about marketing, bribing and blackmailing.
It's like, to hell with R&D, put all in marketing.

I of course don't know how long it has been so (three decades?), but that's how Intel is today.
Somebody should put a stop to it.

 

[Xeon]

Face it, Intel has a serious leakage problem.

What are you talking about I’ve been aware of that issue for quite some time did it make you feel smart to point that out did it perhaps justify your presence on a hardware forum?

Too bad they didn't spend the extra few $ on SOI there.

Again was aware of that, now does this type of powerful post make you feel less inadequate I’m still not 100% sure yet.

AMD made a great use of it and SUCCEEDED in defeating Intel.

You and Captain underpants still having that sleep over? Turns out I have plans sorry.

Intel are stingy bastards.

Fiscally wise considering how the whole performance race turned out.

My guess is that Intel just didn't want to pay IBM for using SOI. A big mistake!

Oh wow IBM invented SOI you mean Intel doesn’t have the capability to design and implement new technologies I’m very sorry to have posted I had no idea. All this time I thought Intel was an independent company but they are all run by IBM wow brains just wowed.

I think, for what I have heard and read during the years, Intel has become the most arrogant, bullying and corrupt company in IT-business. Today Intel is all about marketing, bribing and blackmailing.
It's like, to hell with R&D, put all in marketing.

Hmm personification ya Intel sure is all those things you said and probably more I bet you they have the Holy Grail, probably have Old Yeller’s body too.

Big business but the small world of Toms hardware does limit your perspective to only what is said here can only be the word of god.

I of course don't know how long it has been so (three decades?), but that's how Intel is today.
Somebody should put a stop to it.

Well Cap Undies is having a sleep over with wusy you should go be a good brain storming session for you guys maybe you can discover how Intel captured a alien and bred it into our population.

-Jeremy Dach

 

[Era]

Whattahell are you mumbling there?

 

[endyen]

more sense to play out existing and perfectly fine technologies

doesn't quite suggest

What are you talking about I’ve been aware of that issue for quite some time

I suppose we should be nicer to you though, after the beating the dual core version of your namesake took in the benchmarks I linked to in my last post.

 

[Xeon]

Yes my ego is tied to my hardware next thing you know well be comparing penis sizes and the size of our women’s ovaries.

Please show me the way I completely didn’t notice that Intel has lost the performance war about 2 years maybe 3 I don’t remember its not important to me.

Yup I will need a brand new system with 64bit and dual cores and dual video cards too because I am that kind of user. Or ill settle for my 3.0 that runs just peachy, what to do what to do?

-Jeremy Dach

 

[Xeon]

My humor escapes you pity I will have to save it for real people not digital personas.

-Jeremy Dach

 

[endyen]

what to do what to do?

Try not posting BS, for starters.
*note, I know it aint gonna happen, so keep up the good work. Your seperate reality is always a pleasure, Spuddy ole buddy.

 

[Xeon]

K ill try and not post BS just for you, simply because you asked.

*note, I know it aint gonna happen, so keep up the good work. Your seperate reality is always a pleasure, Spuddy ole buddy.

Ha ha oh my did you think that up or did your wife help? That sir is the humor I enjoy snide yet civilized *tips hat*.

But hey choose not to read what I say I disregard everything you guys say since your all closet cases.

*snickers*

-Jeremy Dach

 

[Era]

One tip for you. Try not to be funny.
You ain't up to it.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

He replied to Xeon!

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