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September 15, 2008 11:02:02 PM

How is this better? We already knew this limitation was going to be left to 5 installs... I have bought (sometimes multiple times even), played, hosted large LAN parties to, and enjoyed the entire line of games from the C&C universe (minus Renegade, that just sucked), but C&C 3 - Kane's Wrath may have been my last.

I will NEVER by a game that succumbs to treating me like a thief and leaves me no recourse should the developer/distributer go bellyup. I buy a game to play it and with how many times I redo my Windows Installation, I wont be hassled.

Until the DRM is removed, I wont be buying this game along with a lot of others I know and boycotting it's play at all the hosted LAN's. SecuROM DRM will not make the pirate's out there stop much less slow down, why am I going to be treated worse as a paying customer. And here I thought C&C3 was a shout in the direction of progress for the franchise, looks like Red Alert 3 wants to become the wimper... Oh well... My vote is dont buy dont play, anyone else?
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September 15, 2008 11:07:54 PM

I'll buy it when

1) I can run it in a virtual machine so I don't have to worry about getting rid of SecureROM

2) When it's in the bargin bin since I'm not paying $60 for something I can only install a few times. I upgrade my computer all the time as well as installing and uninstalling games as I feel the urge to play them.
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September 16, 2008 12:08:29 AM

^Yeah... sort of poor reaction time on the article. The link referenced is for forum posts that were from September 8th. I'm not sure why it took a week to report this.
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September 16, 2008 12:08:54 AM

What a bunch of idiots. Despite the fact that Spore is already set to become the most pirated game of all time, RA3 will probably eclipse it because of this.
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September 16, 2008 12:10:54 AM

What a joke. When will these people learn...
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Anonymous
September 16, 2008 12:58:28 AM

^_^ oh well... .exe crack anyone?
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September 16, 2008 1:15:47 AM

Wow 5 that means we are still renting the game when will these idiots get it No more secru rom
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September 16, 2008 1:18:02 AM

Megamanx00I'll buy it when1) I can run it in a virtual machine so I don't have to worry about getting rid of SecureROM2) When it's in the bargin bin since I'm not paying $60 for something I can only install a few times. I upgrade my computer all the time as well as installing and uninstalling games as I feel the urge to play them.


I used to think virtualization is not feasible for home use. I am so wrong, and thank you for enlighten me on this one. Time to get a VMWare and a spare copy of Windows XP. I finally find some use of quad core.
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September 16, 2008 1:42:51 AM

EA wants create an industry standard where $60 rents the games 5 times.
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September 16, 2008 2:07:22 AM

4sure, when will these noob rookies ever learn! I agree Fulle they are seriously dumb ******* I too will not buy a copy of RA3 SPECIFICALLY because it DOES have DRM! Laughing $tock and they sit in their plush gold plated dog houses wondering "....hmmmm why won't they buy our crap? Why are they cracking our software???!!!" Well why rent a piece of crap for $60 bucks? If I'm only going to install it 5 times well then.... why not just use a crack? Save me a $60 dollar rental fee ....sheeesh no brainer. (and they got degrees and education with lots of money but still tryn 2 figure this one out)
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September 16, 2008 2:07:47 AM

4sure, when will these noob rookies ever learn! I agree Fulle they are seriously dumb ******* I too will not buy a copy of RA3 SPECIFICALLY because it DOES have DRM! Laughing $tock and they sit in their plush gold plated dog houses wondering "....hmmmm why won't they buy our crap? Why are they cracking our software???!!!" Well why rent a piece of crap for $60 bucks? If I'm only going to install it 5 times well then.... why not just use a crack? Save me a $60 dollar rental fee ....sheeesh no brainer. (and they got degrees and education with lots of money but still tryn 2 figure this one out)
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September 16, 2008 2:33:52 AM

i'm still not buying it.

I don't want a rootkit on my computer period! I can live without it.

For people who don't understand - Securom is a kit that "Roots" itself into your OS. Causing certain things to fail and not work properly anymore. it also leaves a huge hole in your security where a hacker can gain total control of your computer. Read EA using your computer to send you ADs.

This is in fact what EA is doing. This has been proven in previous court cases.

Now if you still want that on YOUR computer that YOU own by all means install it and watch as your computer crashes. Even reports of drives failing entirely.
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September 16, 2008 2:36:24 AM

chaohsiangchen

Virtual PC 2007 works alright too. It's free.
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September 16, 2008 3:13:33 AM

these dudes don't get that its not the limit that gets the consumers mad, its THE FACT THERE IS ONE... i mean sure, if it was like 100re-installs, than hey, WHY NOT. but seriously, don't act like you care by adding to more installs on the game. another game on my pee-on list.
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September 16, 2008 3:38:07 AM

The EA Boycott continues. EA prepare for another crappy 1 star review on all shopping networks.
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September 16, 2008 4:17:07 AM

I so badly want this game and have already paid for it at my local gamestop, but will now have to go move my money to another title without this invasive software.
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September 16, 2008 5:19:24 AM

I support a full boycott of EA. No EA games - console, PC, or pirated version (because if I am unwilling to pay for it, I shouldn't play it). I will not relent until they remove their restrictive policies on all products.

To those considering virtualization, a few recommendations:

1) Use VMWare Workstation 6.5 beta, which supports DX9, with linux or Windows systems; VMWare fusion with Macs. Your hardware profile will be "generic", so if you upgrade your system you won't initiate a reactivation. Better yet, if the image is on an external hard drive or network share, you can move the image and thus access your XP game station from several different computers!

2) Use Symantec Altiris SVS 2.1 to virtualize the install - its free for personal use. This program captures file and registry structures and allows you to turn them on or off. With a global capture, all that crap (such as SecuROM) can be turned off when the game is not in use! Talk about an easy uninstall. Better yet, you can create a VSA (virtual software archive) and back it up - that if your image gets corrupted, reinstallation is really reimportation and won't trigger an activation! (Also, unlike other application virtualization solutions, capturing an install is not complicated - it is as difficult as installing the application normally.)
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September 16, 2008 9:09:19 AM

The EA Boycott continues. EA prepare for another crappy 1 star review on all shopping networks.

Me too!
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September 16, 2008 10:00:56 AM

I would say get the torrent, see if it's worth the money and buy if it's so, BUT STILL, use the f**king crack. The devs can't do anything about it and all that work MUST be respected. Boycott the game if you feel so but don't expect to have quality games in the future.

I miss the shareware days were you could play 1/3(5) of the game for free and then decide if it's worth it. I remember Doom 1, the first chapter was free!!! Wanna play more ? Then pay. I to developed games and I to know what monstrous amount of work is put into.

I think this BS has gone to far. There will always be thieves, murderers etc. but this doesn't mean that everyone is and this doesn't mean everyone should be treated like one.

Anyway, there will always be a bigger and better gun to break a bigger and better shield and the reverse. At least some guys get a brain workout on both sides.
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September 16, 2008 11:32:34 AM

Does it mention the root kits in the installation instructions? If not then I say we all sue them, as someone said about Spore.
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September 16, 2008 11:41:07 AM

WHAT!?!?! are you people CRAZY???? I HAVE POSTED BEFORE THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO START USER-FRIENDLY ONLINE ACTIVATION LIKE MICROSOFT DOES AND MY DREAMS CAME TRUE!!!!!! What is everyone's problem? 5 computers is more than enough -- and you DONT HAVE TO USE THE @#%&!! DISK!!! THE #1 reason that playing on computers is better! This could SAVE PC gaming and turn it all around again. We should applaud and welcome this. I bought spore as soon as it came out and i can play it on the upstairs, downstairs, adn laptop ANYWHERE without searching for a sure-to-be-scratched-silly disk!!! My kids are ALWAYS losing them... I stopped playing many games simply because I could not find the disk and could not spend the time to find it. On the contrary, I will not buy ANY disk that DOESN'T have this type of protection. COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 16, 2008 12:23:25 PM

VirtualbanThe EA Boycott continues. EA prepare for another crappy 1 star review on all shopping networks.Me too!

Indeed! This is just BS. This is just not good enough. Why should I give any money to anyone that wants to treat me like a criminal if I do? I can certainly understand why people DL this instead of paying for it. Spore was available immediately on the 'net. So this does not slow down illegal downloads, in fact it does the opposite. It encourages piracy!
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September 16, 2008 12:57:02 PM

spiralsun - now wait until you have to reinstall it on any of those computers, and you will find out why a 3 time install is VERY annoying
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September 16, 2008 1:12:13 PM

All i can say is, that i haven't done anything until EA messed up the patches for Kanes Wrath. This is just the latest and greatest escapade. And it is happening on the consoles too. Just take a look at Ubisofts Rainbow six vegas 2 which was sold as a multiplayer with a not working multiplayer mode or Kanes Wrath. For now i will stop buying games until they show up in the bargaining bin and will rate them down on every site that i'm registered at until the companies responsible change their DRM and patching policies. While i and most enthusiasts aren't the targeted audience, we are actually the one that can make the most noise.
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September 16, 2008 2:00:04 PM

I think EA (and all soft companies for that matter) are shooting themselves in the foot by acting like this. It has been proven that having any kind of protection doesn't stop people from downloading. I am too for boycott,but please do not download the games from torrents,as this show disrespect to great guys from dev teams that were doing great job. Lets not buy games to punish those managers that are just taking money to buy themself one more porche/house/whatever...and have no idea what a great game is(they probably don't give a damn sh**). Programmers, leave your companies (EA) and make your own studios and offer us reasonable priced good games without any DRM. You get rich, we get happy.Less illegal download(which will be always no matter what,as some people can not offer themselfs a new game,cause they have food and living to pay). Cheers to everybody
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September 16, 2008 6:40:00 PM

spiralsun1WHAT!?!?! are you people CRAZY???? I HAVE POSTED BEFORE THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO START USER-FRIENDLY ONLINE ACTIVATION LIKE MICROSOFT DOES AND MY DREAMS CAME TRUE!!!!!! What is everyone's problem? 5 computers is more than enough -- and you DONT HAVE TO USE THE @#%&!! DISK!!! THE #1 reason that playing on computers is better! This could SAVE PC gaming and turn it all around again. We should applaud and welcome this. I bought spore as soon as it came out and i can play it on the upstairs, downstairs, adn laptop ANYWHERE without searching for a sure-to-be-scratched-silly disk!!! My kids are ALWAYS losing them... I stopped playing many games simply because I could not find the disk and could not spend the time to find it. On the contrary, I will not buy ANY disk that DOESN'T have this type of protection. COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DUDE WTF, over?!? you love this what are you high? By installing Spore on 3 computers already you have just USED up all over your activations, and now that DVD you have is basically useless, just wait til a month or so from now, and one of those computers gets its registry hosed, and you have to reinstall Windows on it, and try to reinstall Spore on it, Good effin Luck!, you obviously do NOT know whats going on here, most of us, WANT to give EA our money for a legit copy of said game, but DO NOT want to be shackled down by DRM, theres not one good thing that Securom offers us consumers, plain and simple

SecuRom2 is a malicious "root-kit" in my definition, its a program that restricts and / or can cause harm or damage to my system, and was install WITHOUT my consent, I dont see an option on these games to bypass the install of it, or HELL even a notice what the program does even securom's site doesnt list what the program does, thus imho its an malicious program since i cant go into ADD/Remove Programs and uninstall it, I dont need an evil agent for EA and other publishers spying on me to makesure im legit I have a pile of boxes of games under my desk to prove i PURCHASE all my software thank you very much

I'd like EA to specify the consumer benefits of using Securom, as im sure the list wouldnt be long, hell non-existant, what Securom specifics does, and WHY they think its important for us to use, if they want to restrict RESALE of the games, why do they think they've earned that right to control it

personally i believe i have the right to back-up my cd/dvds as we all know they get scratched easily, and I should be able to reinstall the game as many times as i see fit too, as I install windows every 6 months, and i cant tell you how many times ive reinstalled Civ4, Diablo 2, and other games, even if the DMCA has declared it illegal to copy the DVD, just because its a law doesnt mean its JUST, hell just look at all the state statutes out there, theres tons of stupid laws out there that technically people violate every day and the way our politicians operate now-a-days, we consumers dont have a voice in congress because we cant afford the lobbyists to be our special interest group for us "When Injustice becomes LAW; Rebellion becomes DUTY!"

I've already said before these aholes (read publishers) are just stupid, there is no logical sense in Securom, and we are all just being punished for Piracy, but most of us are being forced into it, I dont agree with Piracy, but I can also understand why peeps will do it, we are sick of this $h1t, plain and simple, and we realize we'd spend $50 on a game, so $50 translated into effort of finding a pirated version and dealing with the hassles of getting it to work, if EA would just utilize Stardock or Steam to provide us their games all of this Securom crap could be avoided, until EA provides this service or REMOVES securom2 from their future titles, I'm jumping on the BOYCOTT Bandwagon and telling EA to eff off!
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September 17, 2008 5:47:54 PM

Wanna help the boycott? Post a review, just stating you were unable to install the game because of the virus it contains. And guess what?? It is true, SecuRom is a virus, by the common definition of a computer virus: "A computer virus is a computer program that can copy itself and infect a computer without permission or knowledge of the user."

I never gave SecuRom permission? Seems to fit for me.

The great part about this, uneducated computer users will run screaming from this. This will be an effective boycott.
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November 18, 2008 12:21:18 AM

So, I purchased this game a couple of weeks ago. I opened it and installed it and even played it once. The game is great. Then someone mentioned to me the restriction. So, I did some searching and lo and behold it is all true. This I am sure was all spelled out to me in the license agreement, which admittadly I didnt read. Honestly, I never even imagined EA would do something so nasty. What I find interesting, is that I would have to open and install the game to find out this infromation. This restriction is definately not spelled out clearly on the box. So, where am I going with this. I propose a class action lawsuit. See, now that I opened the package I can not return it to the place of purchase. So, I was tricked, duped, whatever you call it. I should have been aware of this restriction based on the packaging. Now I have to try to get a credit from EA. I refuse to own a game that does this, for all the reasons stated so many times by others. I am going to give my lawyer a call tomorrow and check into a class action lawsuit. If anyone else has any experience with these matters please chime in.
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January 26, 2009 10:56:28 AM

I have just bought Red Alert 3, Nice, Not, some of us still ownn computers without internet at home, due to the fact that telkom can't supply decent lines, My question is, what the hell No, did i just throw 400 bucks in the water, Comon EA, get your act right
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January 7, 2011 6:45:04 AM

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January 7, 2011 6:58:17 AM

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