It kind of went undetected but on 13 May the US Congress passed a bill (HR 418)that implements a national credential id card (all personal id documents are affected)in all 50 states. The hook is that you must prove citizenship or legal imigration status to get it.
Read noted security/encryption expert Bruce Schneier's commentary on the topic <A HREF="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/05/real_id.html" target="_new">HERE</A>
I think that this counrty needs this badly and I currently am for it 100%, but I must study the arguments against it more closely. That's just me there are already many appeals questing its US constitutionality.
I'm proud & happy to be recognized as a US citizen, in my own country, finally & get the rights, I've been paying for all along!!!!!!!
If you don't want be / prove your a citizen of the US, there's a whole lot of other countries that would be happy to have you, as a citizen!!!!!
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Yeah, I proud too but did you read Schneier's blog? Spending billions on a system that really might not even work seems crazy. He sort of convinced me to start to question this ID card as a potential folly.
I know I'm an American I have the proof. I would like to be sure that immigrants get in legally, but that is another story.
It's a first step, really...
It's gotten out of hand the PC around the country when it comes to illegals... Maybe this will become an incentive to becoming a citizen & speaking English..
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| Quote : I'm proud & happy to be recognized as a US citizen, in my own country, finally & get the rights, I've been paying for all along!!!!!!! |
If canada had the same immigration problem the u.s. has, id agree with this. taxes are a friggin pain in the arse!
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Yes, the infamous "Mark of the Beast" that will eventually be needed to do any financial transactions as well, including shopping for food. It starts small, then gets bigger and bigger.
Of course they'll throw someone in jail if they don't comply, and probably label them a terrorist.
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| Quote : citizen & speaking English.. |
why is speaking english a requirement? (just for arguments sake)
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Why? How about being able to communicate?
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As long as they keep it on a card and off of me!cough[/mark of the beast]
I know that something has to be done. This as well as many issues that deal with privacy are becoming more important to me. I wonder how and if this will invade my privacy more than it already has been.
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To get us out of paying for things like Bilingual education for immigrants...... Printing ballots for voting in several different languages... I believe CA has ballots in 17 different languages... To get English road signs back up in places like CA & FL, instead of Bilingual road signs...
That's just a start....
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If you are going to speak English, then learn to spell it properly. Once got my sorry arse kicked black and blue for bringing this up with a drunken bunch (11 of the fucckers) of marines. Still, No retreat, No surrender has and always will be my way.
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Congratulations. You and I are both part of the same illustrious club. I've had the shite belted out of me by a group of marines, although I managed to put 2 down before I went down myself. Para's and Marines don't mix, ever. And they outnumbered us big time. No guts no glory.
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National ID card? Just print the word 'STOOPID' on some sticky paper and slap it on your forehead.
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They all came back to the bar I was working in about an hour later. Not to apologise, althoudh they did, but because they just had to check why and how a guy my size could have put up such a struggle. I never stood a chance, still thats no reason to back down. A bit more cautious now in my old age.
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There was a little less tact on our behalf. You can't exactly wriggle your way out of "Royal Marines are a bunch of gay c unts". Especially when the perpetrator thought there was only a couple of them in the bar, and there was five of us. Wrong call. Very very wrong call. Regiment pride meant we stood our ground, point blank refused to apologise and crucially, get the first blows in. Not even the bouncers in the pub wanted to get involved. Don't blame 'em.
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Quite right. Even though the mouthy twat started it, we all piled in. Only place you keep your trap shut is Hereford. Spent a while up there on Pathfinder selection, and when in the surrounding boozers, you mind your comments because you can't bloody well recognise them.
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Why don't you guys learn Native american?
i think its bloody insane expecting others to learn english when the english can't speak native american.
untill such a day as that happens i think bilingual (or more) is fine.
here nearly every document comes in Maori, English, and Chinese (voting and governmental documents like the census' should come in every language)
not to be a hypocrit, i think its rude that everyone says "learn english or F-off" sounds a bit like the french, and everyone complains about the french being rude saying "learn french"
learning english should be a recomendation (for their own purposes) but the "demand" of it to me seems a bit rude. but hey thats me.
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You ought to speak fluent Aborigine then, by your last statement...
Of which, lets me see, you don't have a clue.....
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| Quote : Why don't you guys learn Native american |
Great idea! Better yet why dont we say to hell with English and just speak Native American. Which one do you prefer or should we learn all of them? Off the top of my head, I can think of 5 tribes from my state alone.
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I didn't see Mozz's earlier post but it's like he said. Because there is no such thing as Native American to begin with. Most all of the first inhabitants of North America had their own language. Can't just pick one. Souix, Crow, Chippawa, Apache, Mohawk, Mohican, Seminole,Algonquin, Black Foot, etc..
I do some international business traveland I am always humbled because so many other conutries, especially Europe, and Scandinavia, all speak fluent english. They also take care to preserve their native language as well.
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Exactly
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I agree!!!!!
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I am now convinced that a National ID card will not work. This is largely due to Bruce Schneier's essays which I recommend you read if you are interested. They are in the link I offered above.
It's too costly, too complex, to exploitable, etc.. Until they incorporate a biometric aspect it is not worth the outrageous cost.
| Quote : You ought to speak fluent Aborigine then, by your last statement...
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no i cannot speak aboriginal.
because i am not from australia (thats my excuss)
however i speak some Maori, probably about as much Maori as most fresh off the boat imigrants can speak english in the US.
colours, numbers, gods, trees, animals, places, common names for thing slike water, greetings, thankyous, and various other bits and pieces.....
nothing great, not enough to have a conversation.
but then again, i am not demanding that people coming to my country learn english (it would be nice if they did)
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Do some research into immigration in the US... We have to pay for ballots, hospital care, the entire gambit, for illegals in this country... It's becoming an overwhelming burden.... Areas like Miami, & all SoCal, you can't even read the street signs, because they're in Spanish... Fill out a job application in one of those places, most likely it will be in Spanish... Is that right? Not by a long shot, it's not... This is the US, not Mexico....
We have schools in the US that can't give an adequate education to Americans, because they have to give bilingual education to ileagles.. Now when citizens go without, so ileagles can have, it's time to do something about it....
My Sister-In-Law is a prime example... She immigrated from Bulgaria when she was 14... She's 31 now, married to my brother, has 2 children that are citizens, but she has no desire to become a citizen.... No incentive what so ever... She takes advantage of our education system, takes a job away form a citizen, & thinks it's her right, I guess...
So I feel the same about her as I do the rest... If you want to come to my country, that's fine.... You have one year to come, learn the language, become a citizen, or go back where you came from..... Simple, easy...
Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!
agreed
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Agreed!
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Your wordy today......
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Werd!
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yep.
I <font color=red>KILL</font color=red> butterflies.
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Uhhuh!
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have you had an overclock kill the onboard nic?
i oc'd my friends compy(amd 3100+ with gigakn8 board) and the nic dont work now.
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It should work when at stock speeds.
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No, I've never had that happen, especially on a onboard nic.... Strange!!!!!
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nah its totally fubar now. ehh oh well.
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Deny everything. It's the only way.
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Certain Counties in OR. will now be printing ballots in Spanish, like Ca. does. I am for the new I.D.'s time to get the illegals out. Think of the savings in health care, welfare,the cost of housing prisoners in jails and prisons. The illegals have more rights the the citizens! In Kansas they can go to college and pay in-state tuition even though they are here illegaly, out of state students pay $ 10,000 more a year. Quite an article on Fox News this weekend about it. Last week an illegal alien killed a woman and left her body next to her car on I-5 and over the weekend one shot a detective in the head in Colo. and both went back to Mexico, where they won't extradite them, because they face the death penalty! Time to seal the borders from the illegals to protect our families!!
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I hear you there Man!!!!
I for one am glad to see the ID coming!!!! It's about time, I'd say....
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Did you touch any part of the Mobo just before it worked the last time?
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i am not arguing against the ID system. i think illegals should be cracked down on, however i think its perfectly fine that they use their own language to do their business.
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That's probably because you have no experience living in a country where people speak a myriad of languages. You have no experience living in a country where there are hundreds of thousands of people in your city that can't speak your language and can't integrate into your society.
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Dude you're way out.
What everyone here is saying (taking a wild guess of representative statement) is, speak your native language at home or with people who talk it like you, but if you can't learn freakin' English in an ENGLISH country, then screw you!
And I agree. Just like people who come to Quebec and refuse to learn French or integrate themselves to us. This is another land, you better expect to ADAPT.
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On the flip side of that if you do speak a foriegn language, like I do, then speak your heart out. However I speak both languages and don't speak Swedish because I can't speak English. I'm not about to speak english to my mother or friends though because others don't understand it. I try to keep it somewhat respectable since I understand that others instinctively feel like I'm talking about them, but I'm not going to stop. I say if you got it, use it. It works with women's tits and it works with foriegn languages.
At work there are a lot of guys who can't speak english. Some of them have been here for over 25 years. It's pathetic. Truly pathetic. I appreciate their work ethic but when I'm boss, I'm firing everyone who can't communicate with me.
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We agree on that...if I were moving to Quebec to take up residency, it would be a priorty to learn French.
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Ah, that figures. Now I know how you've acquired a taste for Duvel.
With regard to taking care about our own native languages (I am dutch), that is way overrated I can tell you. Some countries take it more seriously (France) than others. We get lots of pollution from (US) English but I can't say I'm seriously bothered by it.
The latest thing is not taking on english words, but taking on (US) English grammar constructions using native dutch words. Quite entertaining.
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mmm "when". Sure it's not "if", or do you already have a deal with your current boss?
O, and when you are the boss, be sure to keep us posted on how many you laid off for the reason you stated. I would be rather surprised that you can do without their experience (in case the work requires a certain education or skill set) or whether you can find alternatives that want to do the work and do speak english or swedish (I assume you will take on people that can communicate with you in swedish, exclusively?)
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