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November 25, 2000 12:12:20 AM

Hi, I'm new to this forum and I apologise if this thread has been discussed to death in the past. I dont know how to search this forum quickly to find the different threads. (If there is a way I would appreciate being told how to).

I have a Digital Prioris XL 6000 Server with a Pentium Pro 200 CPU and 384MB RAM. I use it as a Terminal Server (WinNT4TSE) with Citrix Metaframe. 6 workstations hang off it. We will be adding another application which will make the server work a bit harder. Therefore the thought of upgrading the CPU and also increasing the RAM to 512MB (which is the max).

Does anybody have any experience or info about the various upgrade paths? viz: Intel's P Pro porcessor upgrade, Evergreen's PerformaPro's, or PowerLeap's PL-Pro/II, or getting a Pentium Pro 200 with 1 MB L2 cache.

Would the pure increase of processor speed despite a small L2 cache (Celeron's) far outstrip the Pentium Pro 200 with 1MB cache?

Does Windows NT 4 server utilise all the benefits of CPU speed, size of L2 cache etc?

Thank you all in advance.

Jim

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Anonymous
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November 25, 2000 12:50:02 AM

.. What you have is pretty much obsolete. It wouldn't cost much for a new MoBo and say an Athlon 700-800Mhz and 133Mhz SDRAM.
Anonymous
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November 25, 2000 3:25:45 AM

Pentium Pro is old, slow and very very dead (I used to own a dual PPro 200 and this thing's mobo died on me after 3 years of service ><). My suggestion would be to pull that piece of s*** outta there and get a 800Mhz+ Athlon an Asus A7V then shove in 768Mb (256MB PC133 x 3?) and be a happy camper again :p 
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November 25, 2000 4:06:58 AM

LOL, the answer to all the world's problems just get a t-bird.........But seriously, what is your budget?

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!
Anonymous
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November 25, 2000 4:57:18 AM

I'm in a similar situation. I have 2 dual Pentium Pro servers and as much as I'd like to completely replace the computers, it's the Compaq SmartArray controller + Hotswap Cage + 72GB 10K RPM SCSI RAID storage residing in those custom Compaq cases with redundant power supplies that's the sticking point. See the processor/mb/memory cost is trivial to cost of the storage. It would take quite some jerryrigging to move that over to a new platform.
Anonymous
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November 25, 2000 7:01:29 PM

well, with dual processor systems the situation can't be solved by just tuck in a thunderbird unless you want to reinstall NT and what not...=/

I heard there are even Pentium Pro overdrive still out there to upgrade to PII 333Mhz or something, but they are quite expen$ive and doesn't really do that much :( 
November 25, 2000 7:15:22 PM

well goto evertech.com they have ppro overdrive processors at 700 MHz
December 1, 2000 7:57:19 AM

Try overclocking... (-:
p.s. this all forum is new.
December 1, 2000 12:25:43 PM

I'm going to have to disagree with most or all of the other posts. That kind of processing power in a server is really just a waste with the load that you have. I'm not sure if you've already tested the new application, but if you haven't you should, I wouldn't be suprised if the performance returned by what you have now is acceptable. You only have 6 users using it, so I honestly believe that the load isn't very much. We have a dual PPro Compaq Proliant Server with 1Gb of RAM and 72Gb 10,000RPM RAID 5 serving 300 concurrent users accessing a 12GB DB with average query execution times of less than 1 second. I honestly don't believe you need more than you have, but check out memory consumption in NT, to see if it is way above the 384Mb of RAM. If so, then a memory upgrade would definitely be in order. If you're CPU usage is steadily over 80% throughout the day, then a second CPU(a PPro) would also be in order. Make sure it's absolutely necessary before you dish out $$$ to upgrade or replace the server.
December 1, 2000 12:38:50 PM

Well, I was in a similar situ and what I've put in is a dual Pentium III 733 Mhz on a Tyan Tiger Motherboard, twin Quantum Atlas 10K II drives, 256K of Ram and Win2K

Ok so it hasn't made made much difference to the network speed, which is held up by bandwidth, but it now eats Set@home jobs, while it's resting!
December 1, 2000 12:40:08 PM

To answer your other questions. The cache size vs. raw Mhz. As to which is more important, well, it really depends on what your server does. For a DB server, cache size is very important, but for a terminal server, I would have to say Mhz and cache size are both important. I would have to say that 2 Ppro's w/1Mb L2 would easily outperform 2 Celerons in a server environment. What most people don't realize is that the workload of a server is far different from the workload of a gaming machine, so most would expect a good gaming machine to be a good server...not the case at all. If any Microsoft OS takes advantage of both Processor and cache, it would definitely be Windows NT and Windows 2000. I hope this info helps you make a sound decision. Feel free to ask if you've got anymore questions.
December 1, 2000 12:42:27 PM

P.S. If you're worried about processor overheating, get two of those Atlas 10K II drives, you won't need central heating again!
November 19, 2008 7:26:26 PM

Hey, I tell you what you can do. Just take a pencil and connect a couple of specific pins for a great overclock. Then add some DDR.
November 19, 2008 8:44:43 PM

Whatever you do, don't get a Celeron. IIRC, the original Celeron didn't even have L2 cache!
November 20, 2008 1:41:31 AM

SEALBoy said:
Whatever you do, don't get a Celeron. IIRC, the original Celeron didn't even have L2 cache!


Agreed. Having cache period will help with any type of workload.
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November 20, 2008 3:03:41 AM

WOW, 8 year necro
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November 20, 2008 4:26:57 AM

The necromancers are really taken it up a level lately.
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November 20, 2008 11:07:48 AM

I couldn't help but LOL.
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