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"Robert Singers" <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Out from under a rock popped Ubiquitous and said
>
> > In case you hadn't heard:
> > http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219802
>
> I have and frankly I don't care.

I pity all those whom you would call friend or family. It's one thing
to say that to you his welfare means no more or less than any other
particular human being; or that his health aside you never have cared for
his writing style; or that you met him once and he pissed in your Cheerios
and therefore you don't like him; but to post THIS is _going out of your
way_ to voice a callous disregard for him. At the very least, as one of the
three men responsible for the very existence of the hobby that you _would_
ostensibly care about you owe him better than that.
 
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In rec.games.frp.dnd Duane VanderPol <duanevp@earthlink.net> wrote:

: I pity all those whom you would call friend or family. It's one thing
: to say that to you his welfare means no more or less than any other
: particular human being; or that his health aside you never have cared for
: his writing style; or that you met him once and he pissed in your Cheerios
: and therefore you don't like him; but to post THIS is _going out of your
: way_ to voice a callous disregard for him. At the very least, as one of the
: three men responsible for the very existence of the hobby that you _would_
: ostensibly care about you owe him better than that.

Gygax is like the Bill Shatner of D&D; take that analogy as you will.

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Ubiquitous wrote:
> In rec.games.frp.dnd Robert Singers <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com> wrote:
> : Ubiquitous wrote:
>
> :> In case you hadn't heard:
> :> http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219802
>
> : I have and frankly I don't care.
>
> Brrr! That's cold, man.
>
No, that's not cold it's blasphemy ..... BURN THE HERETIC!

We'll ignore the concept of "Any man's death diminishes me", because
that's obviously beyond Robert Singers <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com>
mental abilities. But think for a moment: didn't Gygax do for
roleplaying games (and their current computer-based incarnations) what
Gates did for the computer? Sure, someone else would possibly have
eventually done what they did if Gary & Bill had not already, but those
two names stand out.

I am curious that EGG is comfortable with "The Spirit of Jehovah God",
though. Weren't the Witnesses out for his blood during D&D's heyday,
claiming that Dungeons & Dragons was demon/devil worshipping?

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MagsTheAxe <magsmarie@att.net> wrote in message
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> Ubiquitous wrote:
> > In case you hadn't heard:
> > http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219802
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>
> Thanks for sharing this! I had no idea.
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I had no idea the man was so religious... sort of ironic, really.

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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:17:33 +0100, Certic <PJS@winDEATHTOSPAMMERSwaed.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> MagsTheAxe <magsmarie@att.net> wrote in message
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>> Ubiquitous wrote:
>> > In case you hadn't heard:
>> > http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219802
>>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this! I had no idea.
> --------
> I had no idea the man was so religious... sort of ironic, really.

It could be a recent thing ("I *am* mortal, better clean up") -- it's
not that uncommon a reaction to a big scare. It could have been there
all along, but kept private. If it brings him comfort right now, that's
good enough for me.

Which is, IMO, as it should be. A person's religious beliefs (or lack
thereof) are entirely nobody else's business. As long as you are
running around setting people on fire or otherwise threatening their
livelihood, I don't *care* what gods you follow or how.

I'm willing -- sometimes, and with particular people -- to discuss *my*
beliefs, but there are few I care to do that with. That group consists
of the same people I'd be willing to hear about their beliefs. It's a
small, *small* group.


Keith
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keith.davies@kjdavies.org reality in the hope that reality will
crack first is impressive, but futile"
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>>I had no idea the man was so religious... sort of ironic, really.
>
>It could be a recent thing ("I *am* mortal, better clean up") -- it's
>not that uncommon a reaction to a big scare. It could have been there
>all along, but kept private. If it brings him comfort right now, that's
>good enough for me.

I don't think he was commenting on his religiousness, but rather that
D&D has always been looked at by fundamental Xianity as a "bad thing".
 
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<slidge@slidge.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> >>I had no idea the man was so religious... sort of ironic, really.
> >
> >It could be a recent thing ("I *am* mortal, better clean up") -- it's
> >not that uncommon a reaction to a big scare. It could have been there
> >all along, but kept private. If it brings him comfort right now, that's
> >good enough for me.
>
> I don't think he was commenting on his religiousness, but rather that
> D&D has always been looked at by fundamental Xianity as a "bad thing".
>

It is a good thing that not all Christians are fundys. In fact they are the
minority - unfortunately the vocal minority.

It is surprising none the less - good on God.

peace,
Frank
 
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Duane VanderPol wrote:

> "Robert Singers" <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>Out from under a rock popped Ubiquitous and said
>>
>>
>>>In case you hadn't heard:
>>>http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219802
>>
>>I have and frankly I don't care.
>
> I pity all those whom you would call friend or family. It's one thing
> to say that to you his welfare means no more or less than any other
> particular human being; or that his health aside you never have cared for
> his writing style; or that you met him once and he pissed in your Cheerios
> and therefore you don't like him; but to post THIS is _going out of your
> way_ to voice a callous disregard for him.

Unlikely much out of his way at all.
Hit reply. Seven simple words. Hit send.
Little thought or effort involved there.

> At the very least, as one of the
> three men responsible for the very existence of the hobby that you _would_
> ostensibly care about you owe him better than that.

His efforts to stagnate the hobby could be seen as overriding his
early involvement with getting it going. There are also those who
feel he took far more of the credit than he earned. In many ways
he's made himself an unlikeable and detestable person.

True, we owe better than Rob gave, out of simple humanity. But I'm
not sure it's to Gygax we owe it. Gygax, by his own admission, is
the cause of some of the pain he now suffers from. But to my mind,
Rob didn't insult EGG much at all here. He insulted the otherwise
well meaning people who care about the guy. Rob did something
roughly along the lines of laughing at a funeral. Rather bad form that.
 
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:53:27 GMT, slidge@slidge.com.invalid <slidge@slidge.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>I had no idea the man was so religious... sort of ironic, really.
>>
>>It could be a recent thing ("I *am* mortal, better clean up") -- it's
>>not that uncommon a reaction to a big scare. It could have been there
>>all along, but kept private. If it brings him comfort right now, that's
>>good enough for me.
>
> I don't think he was commenting on his religiousness, but rather that
> D&D has always been looked at by fundamental Xianity as a "bad thing".

Yeah, that is ironic. I was commenting on the 'gee, we never knew'
aspect... and that it is *correct* that we never knew, IMO.


Keith
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keith.davies@kjdavies.org reality in the hope that reality will
crack first is impressive, but futile"
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"Frank Emanuel" <femanuel@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> <slidge@slidge.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> > >>I had no idea the man was so religious... sort of ironic, really.
> > >
> > >It could be a recent thing ("I *am* mortal, better clean up") -- it's
> > >not that uncommon a reaction to a big scare. It could have been there
> > >all along, but kept private. If it brings him comfort right now,
that's
> > >good enough for me.
> >
> > I don't think he was commenting on his religiousness, but rather that
> > D&D has always been looked at by fundamental Xianity as a "bad thing".
> >
>
> It is a good thing that not all Christians are fundys. In fact they are
the
> minority - unfortunately the vocal minority.

They're the people who hold their dogmas (dogmata?) as superior to natural
law, morality, and ethics. In that respect, they really do care more about
Christianity than moderates do.

> It is surprising none the less - good on God.

No, good on people who care about natural law, morality, and ethics more
than they care about whatever they and their friends decide "God" means.

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Certic wrote:

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>>Ubiquitous wrote:
>>
>>>In case you hadn't heard:
>>>http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219802
>>
>>
>>Thanks for sharing this! I had no idea.
>
> --------
> I had no idea the man was so religious... sort of ironic, really.

I'm forced to wonder when he became that way.
 
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Zimri wrote:

> "Frank Emanuel" <femanuel@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>><slidge@slidge.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>>It is a good thing that not all Christians are fundys. In fact they are
> the
>>minority - unfortunately the vocal minority.
>
>
> They're the people who hold their dogmas (dogmata?) as superior to natural
> law, morality, and ethics.

Hm, I would think they hold their dogma AS natural law, morality,
and ethics. Seperating these items is a major part of what they
will claim is wrong with many of the rest of us.

> In that respect, they really do care more about
> Christianity than moderates do.

Radicals always care more than moderates.

>>It is surprising none the less - good on God.
>
> No, good on people who care about natural law, morality, and ethics more
> than they care about whatever they and their friends decide "God" means.

Irrespective of my friends, I believe "God" means natural law,
ethics, and morality.

Seriously here, how can have _any_ concept of what "God" is that
doesn't inform, or isn't informed by, the other three?
 
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Out from under a rock popped Steve Ashton and said

> We'll ignore the concept of "Any man's death diminishes me", because
> that's obviously beyond Robert Singers <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com>
> mental abilities.

There are two problems what you're saying. Firstly it's in no way
obvious and EGG had a stroke he's not dead. There is also the issue of
how valid your trite little aphorism is but we can probably ignore that.
If you're going to question other people's intelligence I'd suggest you
do it in manner that doesn't make you look like a moron.

> But think for a moment: didn't Gygax do for
> roleplaying games (and their current computer-based incarnations) what
> Gates did for the computer? Sure, someone else would possibly have
> eventually done what they did if Gary & Bill had not already, but those
> two names stand out.

So what? Let's leave Bill out of the discussion because basically you're
introducing a strawman. Is adding magic to a war game in the league of
Mother Thersa for example? How about Nelson Mandala?

If EGG rates as significant in your world view then you should get out of
the house and get a big dose of the real world. Go and volenteer in a
Hospital, an old folks home, or a soup kitchen.

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Rob Singers
"All your Ron are belong to us"
Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere
 
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Out from under a rock popped Victor Pinamont and said

>> So what? Let's leave Bill out of the discussion because basically
>> you're introducing a strawman.
>
> You're confusing an apt analogy with a strawman. A strawman is first
> introduced as a deliberate distortion and is then conveniently
> attacked -- since the distorted argument makes for a easy target.
>
> Got it, idiot?

Bill Gates is not an apt analogy for Gygax, to compare them is a delibertae
distortion, so in point of fact you're reinforcing my point.

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Credo Elvem ipsum etiam vivere
 
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Mere moments before death, Robert Singers hastily scrawled:
>Out from under a rock popped Victor Pinamont and said
>
>>> So what? Let's leave Bill out of the discussion because basically
>>> you're introducing a strawman.
>>
>> You're confusing an apt analogy with a strawman. A strawman is first
>> introduced as a deliberate distortion and is then conveniently
>> attacked -- since the distorted argument makes for a easy target.
>>
>> Got it, idiot?
>
>Bill Gates is not an apt analogy for Gygax, to compare them is a delibertae
>distortion, so in point of fact you're reinforcing my point.

<standing ovation>



psst, rob. the standing o is for "victor".

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Victor Pinamont wrote...

(who cares)

Ah, I knew I'd overlooked somebody!

I know you haven't been around much lately and all, but consider this a
lifetime achievement award.

*plonk*
 
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"Steve Ashton" <sjamesashton@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Ubiquitous wrote:

> I am curious that EGG is comfortable with "The Spirit of Jehovah God",
> though. Weren't the Witnesses out for his blood during D&D's heyday,
> claiming that Dungeons & Dragons was demon/devil worshipping?

They still are and do believe that way. My mother is a devout witness, and
while she knows and accepts the fact that I greatly enjoy everything D&D, as
well as knowing it's just a game (she's played the thing!), I know she
doesn't approve, but that's the way it goes. The way I see it is, as a
former non-active JW myself (despite still believing many of the tenets of
the faith in theory if not in practice), if in the end, the overriding
reason why Jehovah removes me from his sight is because of the content of a
game I like to play, I can accept that.
 
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"Zimri" <zimriel@SBCspammlesforglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > It is surprising none the less - good on God.
>
> No, good on people who care about natural law, morality, and ethics more
> than they care about whatever they and their friends decide "God" means.

No, good on God. You are entitled to your reaction but I meant what I said.

Frank
 
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Out from under a rock popped Rob Bruce and said

> What a wonderful human being you are.

You fancy me don't you.

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Robert Singers wrote:
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> Out from under a rock popped Rob Bruce and said
>
> > What a wonderful human being you are.
>
> You fancy me don't you.

When did Terry Austin spawn, and why weren't we warned?

- Ron ^*^
 
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