Casterated P4

Naw, the Polamino, Morgan, and SledgeHammer will kick anything Intel will come out with. (Ok that was a pretty broad speculation but hey)

Not "JUST aircooled", but "Just aircooled, heatsink without a fan!"

Intel is stuffed, sell all your shares, desert the sinking ship, Well maybe that is a bit drastic yet, AMD, love your work, keep it up

Air cooled with just the heatsink, The Volkswagen beetle of processors, maybe they could call it the bug (Then again maybe thats not such a good name

exactly .... next year the P4 2gig will be out with .13 and after that AMD will hit.

And do you really think every other chip design wasn't limited on features do to it's size and heat? Hell we could make a tank able to stop every type of wapon known but could it move out of it's own way? Hmmmm

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All I am wondering is if Intel will have all the features that were cut (in the.18 process) included in the .13 process?

I don't believe Intel is even close to having it's .13 micron process ready. It's Intel's marketing blowing some air again. Intel is still in the process of refining their .18 micron process, AMD had their's ready before Intel and they have copper technology. I bet AMD will have their .13 ready before INtel.

Proof? You want proof? The 1.13GHz recall, for one. And also, all you have to do is look at the P4 benchmarks (although it mosly has to do with the P4's crappy floating point unit.)

We will see. We will see. When Intel is crumbling, losing billions, and AMD is on top getting rich, we will see. When nearly every computer runs on AMD, we will see. When Intel will be a thing of the past, we will see. We will see.

Like you said we will see.

Hate to burst your bubble but the Hammer processors coming early in 2002 will have SSE2 support along with a superior x87 engine. Between now and then, Palomino will have SSE and other improvements to the core that could increase IPC up to and maybe higher than 8% over T-Bird. P4 will need a very significant increase in clock speed to distance itself from the Athlon.

Don't you think that all this is becoming a little too much. At the moment I personally prefer T-Birds mainly because of price and overclocking ability, but all that could change.
Everyone is always quick to say that theirs is the best and this is the case for both Intel and AMD. They like to leek bits of information so that Joe Soaps from every corner of the world will come to sites and forums and rave about things they know nothing about. The industry is always changing and competition is hot.
For us, as consumers its great, as prices will drop. Who knows, after the acquisition of 3dfx maybe Intel will turn its head to CPUs (probably just started a new rumour there), or maybe I'm just mad.

The point is that much like the game console industry it's usually the latest release which has the most power. That's not to say it becomes the most popular though (N64 vs PSX). Intel just broke the mould here. They produced a faster chip but only in the right circumstances.

If you look back to the recent benchmarking done by Tom at http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/0 [...] p4-04.html, the P4 optimised code for x87 FP iDCT runs at 14.05fps on a 1.5Ghz P4 whereas the equivelant optimised for the T-Birds pipeline runs at 13.81 on a 1.2Ghz. Clearly this puts the T-Birds in the light but then you only have to look at the SSE vs 3DNow to see that P4 wins here.
I would say that comparitively the P4 1.5 and the Athlon 1.2 are near equals. But Intel are the industry shame by teaming up with Rambus and they know it. The revision of the P4 socket to accomadate the new P4s is also reason to avoid them. And the Athlon is available at a fraction of the price.

Which I why I say Athlon wins at the moment but not by much.


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Actually, it would be more like the size of a Pentium Pro. Way bigger than the CPU core inside a Slot 1 cartridge.