Tactics

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Hi all, death to all ADOM cats.
This is nothing important, just question about personal styles. When
reading recent messages - especially these advices for newbies, i saw
advices like: "... and switch to Very Aggresive and..." or "... get
Berserk and...". My question is: what tactics settings are you
normally using? When and why? I use just three: normal, berserk and
coward.
I often see advices about wizards geting coward with two shields,
but my experience is different. I often manage wizard begginings best
with weapon (even that lousy 1d4 dagger) and true berserk. You'd be
surprised what low levlel wizards manages to kill in one hit. My only
wizard (non-fighter) win (normal end) finished that certain spoily
(greater) enemy wielding eternium 2h, but more importantly while true
berserk... Any comments about this?
Yax the Cat-Killer

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I failed miserably to keep a straight face when I read that
on 28 Jul 2005 04:53:05 -0700, Jan Krch??k <Lord_Yax@email.cz> wrote:
> This is nothing important, just question about personal styles. When
> reading recent messages - especially these advices for newbies, i saw
> advices like: "... and switch to Very Aggresive and..." or "... get
> Berserk and...". My question is: what tactics settings are you
> normally using? When and why? I use just three: normal, berserk and
> coward.

I try to use coward when just walking around (since it'll help evading
traps and other unexpected attacks). Usually berserk when firing
missiles with no monsters in melee range (and little chance of being
fired at myself). In melee combat, usually normal or (if I want to
maximise the amount of weapon marks gained) defensive (since it will
then take more hits before a monster is killed, while still yielding
weapon marks). If the situation seems to require it (e.g. fire beetle
or displacer beast in the early game, when to-hit and/or damage are
low), aggressive or very aggressive. I guess I seldom use very
defensive tactics.

> I often see advices about wizards geting coward with two shields,
> but my experience is different. I often manage wizard begginings best
> with weapon (even that lousy 1d4 dagger) and true berserk. You'd be
> surprised what low levlel wizards manages to kill in one hit. My only
> wizard (non-fighter) win (normal end) finished that certain spoily
> (greater) enemy wielding eternium 2h, but more importantly while true
> berserk... Any comments about this?

Well, interesting approach. I might try it some time.

Leon (aka Oliphaunt)

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I failed miserably to keep a straight face when I read that
on 28 Jul 2005 07:54:34 -0700, Flubsicle@gmail.com <Flubsicle@gmail.com> wrote:
> I go berserk always with my beastfighter, unless I am in combat with
> bad stat-drainers (minataur mages) in which case I am normal, or if I
> am luring things/dieing (darkforge), in which case I am coward.

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thanks,
Leon (aka Oliphaunt)

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Jan Krch??k (Lord_Yax@email.cz) writes:
> Hi all, death to all ADOM cats.

Agreed. Cats are lame.

> This is nothing important, just question about personal styles. When
> reading recent messages - especially these advices for newbies, i saw
> advices like: "... and switch to Very Aggresive and..." or "... get
> Berserk and...". My question is: what tactics settings are you
> normally using? When and why? I use just three: normal, berserk and
> coward.

I use all the tactics except Very Defensive (which, let's be honest, is
virtually useless). Most of the time, I play Defensive, although if I'm
playing a relatively buff melee character, I'll play Normal or Aggressive in
the early game. If the PC starts out with little armour anyway (e.g.
barbarians, drakelings) I'll truely berserk. When I come across a PV-laden
freak (e.g. fire beetles early on) I'll up the tactic to (Very) Aggressive
or Berserk. I rarely use Normal unless I happen to need more DV than
Aggressive but more damage than Defensive; it's sort of a habituation for
the later acquisition of the Tactics skill.

If I have a shield, things change somewhat; depending on the quality of the
shield, I'll fight normally on Very Aggressive.

Coward is mostly for walking around; this helps avoid stupid surprise
missile attacks and bolts. It's also obviously for running, or just cowering
in a corner while I heal if there's no place to run (bring another shield
along). I also stick to it when I'm just going around casting spells, or
performing time-consuming actions such as eating or reading. Berserk is for
firing missiles while out of the line of attack of bolts. Berserk is also
for attacking (greater) molochs using the Hack n' Back technique.

> I often see advices about wizards geting coward with two shields,
> but my experience is different. I often manage wizard begginings best
> with weapon (even that lousy 1d4 dagger) and true berserk. You'd be
> surprised what low levlel wizards manages to kill in one hit. My only
> wizard (non-fighter) win (normal end) finished that certain spoily
> (greater) enemy wielding eternium 2h, but more importantly while true
> berserk... Any comments about this?

I think that's insane. But, hey, whatever floats your boat.

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matija wrote:
> you know what's lame? about a year ago, a kitten decided
> that my house is pretty lovely and he should stay here.
> he destroyed every plant i had, both in the house and in
> the back yard.
> he destroyed my favourite pillow.
> i've had to endure sand from his kitty toilet all over
> the place.
> there was never a fondness for auxiliary cleaning rags
> on his side (but there was for my bed, especially after
> changing the sheets), so when it rained and everything
> was muddy, he'd go straight for my bed when he got home.
> he could munch two big, costly cans of whiskas per day.
> on several occasions, he was sick, so i had to request
> some days off of work to take him to a costly vet.
> twice he had problems with the lymph (sp?) glands on his
> neck; once he got bitten on his tail by something, so that
> got infected and i had to endure massive injuries to my
> arms trying to force antibiotic pills down his throat,
> as well as taking him to the costly vet four more times
> so he could get some antibiotic and vitamin shots.
> then he got better.
> and as he got better, about three weeks ago, he went out
> one evening, never to return.
> I'M NEVER, EVER HAVING A CAT AGAIN!
> i mean, that's just cruel. i've grown close to the little
> bastard, watched him hunt grasshoppers and butterflies,
> played hide and seek with him, got woken up by his
> whiskers every morning, and now he's gone. i can only hope
> that he died a quick and painless death

Oh, matija, I'm so sorry.

I really really hope he shows up again. Even if he is a horrible
manipulative little furball who will put you to great inconvenience and
expense and be cute at you and get you to forgive him all the
frustrations when he purrs at you.

Stupid cats.

Love and coffee,
Frances (owns two. We shall not speak of the vet bills)

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beachteen wrote:
> Frances Moffatt wrote:

>>For a melee type with a shield--very aggressive. They do decent damage,
>>they can probably take any hits, and given that you get shield points
>>when shields block an attack, and the blocked attack is more likely to
>>be blocked by a shield (because it's less likely to be blocked by
>>anything else), it levels the shield skill fairly quickly.
> I was under the impression that you don't get shield skills for using
> very aggresive or beserk tactics.

Just Berserk, according to the Manual. "Weapon Level" section, third
paragraph under the melee weapons table.

Love and coffee,
Frances