Exp not recorded in Monster Memory?

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Started a Gray Elven Necromancer today. Found Slow Monster early, a few
Magic Missle and Frost Bolt books so Im quite well-versed in spells. I used
Slow Monster and tackled a mixed minor vault on UD: 6. After a few hairy
moments with Lightning Lizards, I came accross a Werewolf Lord. After
initially filling my Black Robe [+0, +1], I proceeded to annihilate the WWL
whilst slowed and cheered. After the excitement of finding that a slowed
Acid Vortex gave me ~1200 exp, I checked up on thw WWL in my Monster Memory.
It recorded that Id killed one but never listed its exp.

Im down to Dwarftown and after some DH annoyances, I got the Ogre quest.
Slowed myself again, got to see an Ogre Lord and whalloped him. Checked the
exp and that wasnt listed. I had 1 Ogre Lord kill but no exp was recorded in
the Monster Memory.

I didnt check my exp score before/after so I dont know whether I actually
received any exp.

I know there have been some weirdnesses happening due to slow monster but I
havent heard of this being documented.

Any explanations?

 

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robert elcome wrote:

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> Started a Gray Elven Necromancer today. Found Slow Monster early, a
> few Magic Missle and Frost Bolt books so Im quite well-versed in
> spells. I used Slow Monster and tackled a mixed minor vault on UD: 6.
> After a few hairy moments with Lightning Lizards, I came accross a
> Werewolf Lord. After initially filling my Black Robe [+0, +1], I
> proceeded to annihilate the WWL whilst slowed and cheered. After the
> excitement of finding that a slowed Acid Vortex gave me ~1200 exp, I
> checked up on thw WWL in my Monster Memory. It recorded that Id
> killed one but never listed its exp.
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> Im down to Dwarftown and after some DH annoyances, I got the Ogre
> quest. Slowed myself again, got to see an Ogre Lord and whalloped
> him. Checked the exp and that wasnt listed. I had 1 Ogre Lord kill
> but no exp was recorded in the Monster Memory.
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> I didnt check my exp score before/after so I dont know whether I
> actually received any exp.
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> I know there have been some weirdnesses happening due to slow monster
> but I havent heard of this being documented.
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> Any explanations?

I don't actually think it's related to Slow Mosnter at all. I think this
is simply a manifestation of the little-remembered fact (mentioned in
the manual) that the Monster Memory is not guaranteed to be accurate; it
reflects what your character has observed and learned about the
monsters, and sometimes - perhaps based on Learning, I'm not sure,
although I've noticed the effect most often when playing trolls - your
character can see something and not actually learn it.

The most common manifestation of this effect can readily be seen by
visiting the very dusty dungeon level; after seeing a particular type of
monster appear out of thin air a few times, very often the Monster
Memory will begin to report that that type of monster can teleport (even
if it's a simple rat).

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side of it.

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robert elcome wrote:
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One useful configuration variable:

Show_Experience = true

It useful, but also spoily, as it clearly tells you that you killed a monster
(even if it's invisible or out of LOS).

Kosma

 

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Zachary Palmer (zep01@bahj.com) writes:
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:55:54 +0200, Kosma
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> Not to be overly picky, but it tells if a hostile monster has died.
> It's always amusing when you step onto a level, feel tense while
> simultaneously shivering, take a step, and read (paraphrased):
> "You hear an explosion! [+78xp] [+22xp] [+89xp] [+88xp] [+20xp]
> [+30xp] [+77xp] [+72xp] [+81xp] [+30xp]"

That only applies to door traps. You get nothing if creatures are killed by
ordinary floor traps.

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"Josh Singh" <jGoOsh.AsWiAnYgh@gmail.comikaze> wrote in message
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> Zachary Palmer (zep01@bahj.com) writes:
>> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:55:54 +0200, Kosma
>> <kosmam.spammers@go.to.hell.op.pl> wrote:
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>>> robert elcome wrote:
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>>> It useful, but also spoily, as it clearly tells you that you killed
>>> a monster (even if it's invisible or out of LOS).
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>>> Kosma
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>> Not to be overly picky, but it tells if a hostile monster has died.
>> It's always amusing when you step onto a level, feel tense while
>> simultaneously shivering, take a step, and read (paraphrased):
>> "You hear an explosion! [+78xp] [+22xp] [+89xp] [+88xp] [+20xp]
>> [+30xp] [+77xp] [+72xp] [+81xp] [+30xp]"
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> That only applies to door traps. You get nothing if creatures are killed
> by ordinary floor traps.

Hrm, how does this affect kitty karma? Is it possible to kill a cat because
some twit monster opened the wrong door?

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Darren Grey (darrenjohngreyFAKE@hotmail.com) writes:
> "Josh Singh" <jGoOsh.AsWiAnYgh@gmail.comikaze> wrote in message
> news:ZrOdnf2BpLwIYGnfRVn-rw@rogers.com...
>> Zachary Palmer (zep01@bahj.com) writes:
>>> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:55:54 +0200, Kosma
>>> <kosmam.spammers@go.to.hell.op.pl> wrote:
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>>>> robert elcome wrote:
>>>>> Spoily I guess.
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>>>>> I didnt check my exp score before/after so I dont know whether I
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>>>> One useful configuration variable:
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>>>> Show_Experience = true
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>>>> It useful, but also spoily, as it clearly tells you that you killed
>>>> a monster (even if it's invisible or out of LOS).
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>>>> Kosma
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>>> Not to be overly picky, but it tells if a hostile monster has died.
>>> It's always amusing when you step onto a level, feel tense while
>>> simultaneously shivering, take a step, and read (paraphrased):
>>> "You hear an explosion! [+78xp] [+22xp] [+89xp] [+88xp] [+20xp]
>>> [+30xp] [+77xp] [+72xp] [+81xp] [+30xp]"
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>> That only applies to door traps. You get nothing if creatures are
>> killed by ordinary floor traps.
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> Hrm, how does this affect kitty karma? Is it possible to kill a cat
> because some twit monster opened the wrong door?

I imagine it does. Any kill that shows up in your kill list counts, and door
trap kills, unfortunately, show up in your kill list. I think also if you
set off a fireball trap yourself, any cats killed in the explosion go
against you. It's not the same deal with vortices, though, so if you've got
a problem cat and an acid vortex... do the math.

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"Zachary Palmer" <zep01@bahj.com> kirjoitti
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> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:55:54 +0200, Kosma
> <kosmam.spammers@go.to.hell.op.pl> wrote:
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>>robert elcome wrote:
>>> Spoily I guess.
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>>> I didnt check my exp score before/after so I dont know whether I
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>>> received any exp.
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>>One useful configuration variable:
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>> Show_Experience = true
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>>It useful, but also spoily, as it clearly tells you that you killed a
>>monster
>>(even if it's invisible or out of LOS).
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>>Kosma
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> Not to be overly picky, but it tells if a hostile monster has died.
> It's always amusing when you step onto a level, feel tense while
> simultaneously shivering, take a step, and read (paraphrased):
> "You hear an explosion! [+78xp] [+22xp] [+89xp] [+88xp] [+20xp]
> [+30xp] [+77xp] [+72xp] [+81xp] [+30xp]"
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> Cheers,
>
> Zachary Palmer


So, do PC's get exp from monsters that they didn't actually kill (like in
that fireball thing)?