Palm Chess HIARCS defeats GM in internet chess match

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I tried to purchase this program. It will not accept a hotmail account. What
is up
with that? They just lost a purchase. Perhaps their program is not so smart
either. *DUH*

--

gcisko@hotmail.com


"Mark Uniacke" <Mark@acc-ltd.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> For the first time in history a Palm chess program (Palm Chess HIARCS)
> defeated a Grandmaster in a 4 game Internet match. The score of 3-1 (2
> wins and 2 draws) against a world top 100 chess player was an
> outstanding achievement giving a performance rating of 2809 Elo.
>
> Now you really can have a GM strength chess program in the Palm of your
> hand!
>
> Find out more and play through the games here:
> http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm#phvgm
>
> Best wishes,
> Mark
> http://www.hiarcs.com

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"Mark Uniacke" <Mark@acc-ltd.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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SNIP

>
> Free email accounts are not accepted for purchase by ShareIt for
> security reasons due to a very bad history with purchases through such
> accounts.
>
> Best wishes,
> Mark

What does a person's email account have to do with a purchase? If I give you
a legit credit card what do you care about my email address. Many of us use
hotmail and other free email accounts as a way to filter spam and and avoid
being harassed when companies sell email address and customer information to
others. Plus many people actually pay to use email accounts like hotmail
becasue they purchase additional storage capacity from the provider so in
effect it's not necessarily a free email account. Rejecting a purchase based
on a person's email domain seems like a rather draconian business practice
to me.

TC

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"Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> What does a person's email account have to do with a purchase? If I give
you
> a legit credit card what do you care about my email address. Many of us
use
> hotmail and other free email accounts as a way to filter spam and and
avoid
> being harassed when companies sell email address and customer information
to
> others. Plus many people actually pay to use email accounts like hotmail
> becasue they purchase additional storage capacity from the provider so in
> effect it's not necessarily a free email account. Rejecting a purchase
based
> on a person's email domain seems like a rather draconian business practice
> to me.
>
Agree 100%, Tony. Well said--I use a separate email account as a spam
filter.

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:51:14 -0500, Arthur Hagen wrote:

> People have a *right* to be treated as innocents even when they
> belong to a group with a statistical higher risk of not being innocent.

Haven't you heard some rulemakers proclaim that 9/11 changed all
that?

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:37:16 -0500, Arthur Hagen wrote:

> AaronJ <noemail@noemail.com> wrote:
>> "Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote:
>>
>>> you have no right to then ban them because they belong to a certain
>>> group that has nothing to do with the product -- *even* if you think
>>> it will reduce *your* risk.
>>
>> Of course they have the right. It's called the free market.
>
> Lassez faire, yes, but free market, no.

Free market, yes.

> A free market gives me the right to purchase from any vendor, and the vendor
> the right to sell to any market. It doesn't give a vendor rights to refuse
> a sale based on factors not related to the product -- that's a *controlled*
> market, which obviously is the opposite of a free market.

That's not really an applicable criticism. Unless HIARCS is a
monopoly, their decision on how they are going to run their business
is hardly a "controlled market."

> A good example of this is DVD region codes, which does not serve a free
> market at all.

Not a good example at all. Because DVD region codes are agreed upon by
all of the players in the market. The criticism here hasn't been about
all the players in the chess software market. It's about one site.

Businesses have the right to determine the conditions under which they
operate. They get to chose to whom they sell their product, providing
the decision isn't violating the law (discrimination, selling national
secrets, etc). They can choose not to accept all credit cards or
checks. They can set dress codes for patrons.

This particular company has chosen not to do business with people who
use free email accounts. That is, in reality, no different from
businesses that chose not to do business with Post Office boxes.

If one wants to criticize them for making a decision that is
inconvenient for some of their potential customers, so be it. But
let's not exaggerate the importance of their decision.

--
Derek

If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it
poorly.

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Arthur Hagen napsal(a):
> AaronJ <noemail@noemail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>you have no right to then ban them because they belong to a certain
>>>group that has nothing to do with the product -- *even* if you think
>>>it will reduce *your* risk.
>>
>>Of course they have the right. It's called the free market.
>
>
> Lassez faire, yes, but free market, no.
> A free market gives me the right to purchase from any vendor, and the vendor
> the right to sell to any market. It doesn't give a vendor rights to refuse
> a sale based on factors not related to the product -- that's a *controlled*
> market, which obviously is the opposite of a free market.
>
> A good example of this is DVD region codes, which does not serve a free
> market at all.
>

So why Ferrary, Bentley, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, and VW (with their
Phaeton) require buyers (or their drivers) to undergo a training with
the powerful car their buying, before the sale takes place? And why, if
the driver doesn't pass the test, the REFUSE to sell the car to the
buyer? Is it a discrimination of the incompetent, or an application of
the seller's right to protect himself from damages, arising from damaged
popularity in case some of the incompetent drivers smashes a bus full of
children?
Similarly, any seller has RIGHT to refuse sale to a customer he has a
reason to think would make him more bad than good, which is exactly this
case. You may think anything of this, but it's the SELLER's problem, if
he decides to not accept the buyer's money.
Mark

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"Joe Johnson" <pmet001@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Agree 100%, Tony. Well said--I use a separate email account as a spam
> filter.

So do I, but there are other accounts available that have a better record
of stopping spamming and abuse. If there is one domain that is
consistently blocked, it's hotmail, and for very good reasons.

--
Regards,

Stan

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"Bill Marcum" <bmarcum@iglou.com.urgent> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:45:19 GMT, Tony Clark
> <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
SNIP

>>
> Don't you need some sort of ISP to get to Hotmail? Do you have an
> email address with that provider? When you buy something by mail, many
> companies refuse to ship to a post office box number.
>

No you don't need an ISP to get to Hotmail. All you need is web access which
you can get at your local public library or at any Internet Cafe. Also some
ISPs only provide a single email address and there may be multiple people
who live at an address that need or want different email addresses but do
not want to pay for separate ISP plans.

As was stated previously, I have an email address that I'd prefer not to
hand out to Internet companies that like to sell that information to
spammers.

TC

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In article <dmmrv05ai1a162c5gjlopn226ikhu9hf5v@news.octanews.com>,
DevilsPGD <ihatespam@crazyhat.net> writes
>In message <SzjLd.2459$Nn1.389@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Tony
>Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>As was stated previously, I have an email address that I'd prefer not to
>>hand out to Internet companies that like to sell that information to
>>spammers.
>
>But you'd not only give these companies your money, but also your credit
>card or bank account information?
>
>

I know you are talking generally but I would like to point out:

Purchases of HIARCS are made through the Share-it! service which is
governed by a strict privacy policy and is a licensee of the TRUSTe
Privacy Program.

www.hiarcs.com do not collect, hold or process your financial data.
Email addresses are never given to any third-party whatsoever.
The HIARCS privacy policy is very clear about this.