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Eddie Grove wrote:
> Timo Pietilä <timo.pietila@helsinki.fi> writes:
>
>>>I would have been happy to trade this for a lantern of seeing! I
>>>spent the entire game worrying about rBlind. Sometimes I played
>>>without rBlind, and I came near death twice, and decided it was
>>>just too risky even though it let me use a second speed ring.
>>>I think the best kit of common(?) items for the comp char is
>>>westernesse+2
>>>xbow haradrim
>>>ring of speed
>>>ring of speed
>>>trickery
>>>lantern of seeing
>
>>Ego name is sight, but it has same characteristics as helmet of seeing.
>
> OK - it would be easier to remember if I had seen one.
>
>>>elvenkind armor
>>>cloak of magi[ESP]
>>>shield of preservation
>>>crown of might+3
>>>gloves of combat+2
>>
>>That's total +7 to CON. You need only +5, so Combat gloves can be
>>replaced with Power and you gain more STR and don't cause aggravation.
>
> No, you need +7. +2 race, +1 class, leaves +7 to go.
But 18/180 gives you enough HP to survive. +7 is obviously better, but I
just hate aggravation. If I had to use between 18/180 CON and
aggravation I go with less CON. With westernesse +2 you get that +7
without combat gauntlets if you use dwarven armor (westernesse +2,
dwarven +2, might +3)
>>If you have Trickery +4, BoS +10 and RoS +16 you have +30 permanent
>
> I had BoS +1 and RoS +12. Not quite the same thing. It would have
> been really nice if I could have had more than +17 permanent speed,
> but I could not without a second speed ring.
>
>>BoC (for Chaos resist. Any BoC can be used, *slay evil* with ESP would
>>be perfect. If westernesse then Dwarven armor can be replaced with
>>something else)
>>Haradrim
>>RoS
>>Ro<something> (nether or Dam perhaps)
>>Trickery (nexus, poison)
>>Sight (see_inv, blindness)
>>Dwarven +2 (FA)
>>magi {ESP} or Aman/Protection if ESP is covered elsewhere.
>
> That is wishful thinking, just like me.
If you go this route, you
> really should expect to be playing without ESP. I think I saw only 2
> magi cloaks during my entire game.
I know. I'm using Aman with iElec and have swap Protection for shard resist.
>>Elvenkind shield (rBase + sound/nether/dark/disen)
>>might +3 (sustain major stats, FA)
>>gauntlets of Power +5 (for STR and to_dam)
>
> (1) You have to use combat for +2 con
> (2) You might be better off with thievery for the to_hit bonus
> if you could manage the con elsewhere
>
>>BoS (this really doesn't have any alternatives as long as bonus is
>>over +5)
>
> You cannot count on finding such boots. If you only find one pair of
> elvenkind boots, you probably only get +3. I didn't even get that
> lucky. IMO any speed bonus from boots is just a bonus, not something
> you can count on when planning a final kit. Boots of speed are too
> rare to count on in a short (e.g. competition) game. I wonder if I
> was unlucky, or if lanterns of sight are similarly rare.
You might have been just unlucky or I'm lucky. I have +7 BoS and have
discarted +5 elvenkind and +3 BoS and saw +1 BoS in shop (turncount is
now 3000000+, but those were early). Similary ego lanterns pop up in
general store quite often. sight I found in dungeon.
My kit currently is something like this:
BoC of fire +13 to_dam (plain BoC branded and enchanted over +10 in store)
Haradrim xBow (+19 to_dam)
RoS +13
RoCon +6
AoTrickery +4
Lantern of sight
Dwarven armor +2
Aman cloak {iElec} Protection as swap.
Shield of Preservation {conf}
Crown of magi {ESP}
Gauntlets of Power (+5 to_dam, +5 STR)
BoS +7
Total +24 speed, +8 CON, +7STR, +4DEX, rChaos, rBase, rPoison, rNexus,
rBlindness, rConfusion, rDisenchantment, Sust STR, DEX, CON, INT, FA,
See_inv.
I lack rSound which hurts time to time, but not too much if I'm careful.
Winning gear obviously, I'm just playing too slow.
Timo Pietilä