[Z274B] Stormbringer knock-out Hell

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Hi,

The last 3 Z 2.7.4b games that I have played (not counting those that
dead by 200') have all ended in a similar way.

They have all be knocked out in a single turn (please press space bar
until tombstone appears), all were on dl 50-55, All had Free action and
an AC >100. They were all pretty tough (1 even had 2 Archons and 3
Nightcrawlers in the kill list). Two of them were killed by the
Stormbringer.

Is there any defence against the single turn knock-out like this?
Because if there isn't doesn't it make the game virtually unwinnable?

Tony

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On 11 May 2005 01:14:38 -0700, avh@softalk.ws wrote:

>Hi,
>
>The last 3 Z 2.7.4b games that I have played (not counting those that
>dead by 200') have all ended in a similar way.
>
>They have all be knocked out in a single turn (please press space bar
>until tombstone appears), all were on dl 50-55, All had Free action and
>an AC >100. They were all pretty tough (1 even had 2 Archons and 3
>Nightcrawlers in the kill list). Two of them were killed by the
>Stormbringer.
>
>Is there any defence against the single turn knock-out like this?
>Because if there isn't doesn't it make the game virtually unwinnable?
>
Don't melee the Stormbringer. Even with an AC of about 190, you have
5% chance each turn of being knocked out with at least a 64% chance
you'll never wake up.

Zangband has been won many times, and I'm sure nearly all the winners
killed the stormbringer

--
Wim Benthem

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How do you determine if something can stun you? Is it if it can do more
than a certain amount of damage in a single blow or is there a
particular flag?

By the way, I've used to play and won Z2.7.1 and my play style tends
towards meleeing a lot. I don't ever recall being knocked out in
Z2.7.1. Did this instant knock-out exist in Z2.7.1 or is it a new
feature?

Tony

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avh@softalk.ws wrote in news:1115828417.895942.298990
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> How do you determine if something can stun you? Is it if it can do more
> than a certain amount of damage in a single blow or is there a
> particular flag?
>
> By the way, I've used to play and won Z2.7.1 and my play style tends
> towards meleeing a lot. I don't ever recall being knocked out in
> Z2.7.1. Did this instant knock-out exist in Z2.7.1 or is it a new
> feature?
>
> Tony
>

Stormbringer has existed (and been an insta-kill in melee) since at least Z
2.2.8, which is the last version of Zangband I played.

--
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I checked the source code for stunning to find out the chances of
insta-kill or stun when being hit by the Stormbringer and the results
are below. Stormbringer has 2 64d1 attacks.

If only 1 of its attacks hit
chance to stun 24%
chance to heavy stun 74%
chance to knock-out 2%

If both attacks hit
chance to heavy stun 3.5%
chance to knock-out 96.5%

I think the second lot of results speak for themselves.

BTW: Looking at the source code almost any creature can get a
knock-out, although for a small kobold it is many million to one.