Transfer files from USB to SD using Palm

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I watch Divx files on the Palm which I store on an SD card. If I am on the
road, I need my PC to load new files onto the SD card.
I carry an MP3 music player (an Iriver) with a 20gb hard drive and a USB2
connector. I would like to store my files on that and transfer them to the
SD card directly without using my laptop.
Is there any way of doing this using the Palm as a card reader?
Mick

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Jim Anderson <fro2750@frontiernet.my_finger.net> writes:

> In article <brrKd.97$nQ1.2@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, xxx@xxx.com says...
> > I watch Divx files on the Palm which I store on an SD card. If I am on the
> > road, I need my PC to load new files onto the SD card.
> > I carry an MP3 music player (an Iriver) with a 20gb hard drive and a USB2
> > connector. I would like to store my files on that and transfer them to the
> > SD card directly without using my laptop.
> > Is there any way of doing this using the Palm as a card reader?
> > Mick
> >
> >
> >
>
> They are both USB slave devices, so no you can't, to transfer fil;es you
> need one master device.

There is a product CardExport from Softick.com which makes your Palm
SD card appear as a USB drive on your desk top. This allows you to
copy things directly to the Palm's SD card.

Also I believe the latest version of prc-tools for Linux support
copying directly to the SD drive, though I've not used that, which
implies the sync protocol allows it.

The other technique I used to use was just copying large files to the
Palm's SD card by putting it in a card reader directly attached to my
desk top.

Alan W Black email: awb@cs.cmu.edu
Language Technologies Institute http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~awb/
Carnegie Mellon University tel: +1-412-268-6299
5000 Forbes Ave, Pittsburgh PA, 15213, USA. fax: +1-412-268-6298

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Jim Anderson (fro2750@frontiernet.my_finger.net) wrote:
[snip]
: In article <m3mzut4nfh.fsf@cairo.lti.cs.cmu.edu>, awb@cs.cmu.edu says...
: > There is a product CardExport from Softick.com which makes your Palm
: > SD card appear as a USB drive on your desk top. This allows you to
: > copy things directly to the Palm's SD card.
: >
: > Also I believe the latest version of prc-tools for Linux support
: > copying directly to the SD drive, though I've not used that, which
: > implies the sync protocol allows it.
: >
: > The other technique I used to use was just copying large files to the
: > Palm's SD card by putting it in a card reader directly attached to my
: > desk top.
[snip]
: BUT, he can not hook-up his iPod to his Palm and copy files back and
: forth, because? (hint- both are USB slave devices)

Connector? Software?
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Squirrel wrote in news:41fafd40.2557922@news.argolink.net:

> One of the reasons USB was introduced was to prevent exactly this kind
> of data management. Perhaps I'm being a little harsh but unless the
> "software" can morph the Palm or the ipod into something it's not...
> he's out of luck. The best-easiest method to do what he wants is to
> buy a cheap used laptop.
>
There is hardware out there. Someone out there makes a bridge that has
the necessary circuitry, but I can't recall the name offhand. Of course,
it ain't cheap.

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Penster wrote:

> I watch Divx files on the Palm which I store on an SD card. If I am on the
> road, I need my PC to load new files onto the SD card.
> I carry an MP3 music player (an Iriver) with a 20gb hard drive and a USB2
> connector. I would like to store my files on that and transfer them to the
> SD card directly without using my laptop.
> Is there any way of doing this using the Palm as a card reader?

You can get software that makes your Palm act like a USB mass storage
device. One person already mentioned CardExport; I haven't tried it,
but I believe it's the most popular software (only software?) that
lets you do that. And the Tungsten|T5 is supposed to have built-in
support for being USB mass storage. That's one piece of the puzzle.

The other piece of the puzzle is called USB On-The-Go. It's an
extension to the USB standard that allows peripherals to drive the
USB bus (i.e. be the master instead of slave). Some On-The-Go info:
http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/

I don't know much about iRiver devices, but some searching on
iriveramerica.com makes it look like the PMP-100 supports On-The-Go,
so if that's the model you have, you may be able to use it. (That
is, assuming it has some sort of file manager software on it that
lets you tell it that's what you want to do once the devices are
attached.)

To my knowledge, no Palm device supports USB On-The-Go yet, so I
think if you're going to make this work, the other device will have
to be the master and the Palm will have to be the slave mass storage
device.

- Logan

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I've got a laptop, but I am looking for a method that does not require me to
carry it everywhere.
Penster
<Squirrel> wrote in message news:41fafd40.2557922@news.argolink.net...
> One of the reasons USB was introduced was to prevent exactly this kind
> of data management. Perhaps I'm being a little harsh but unless the
> "software" can morph the Palm or the ipod into something it's not...
> he's out of luck. The best-easiest method to do what he wants is to
> buy a cheap used laptop.

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:46:36 GMT, Dean Collins wrote:

> what about using the new sandisk usb/sd card?

That card allows one to use the SD card as a USB 2.0 mass storage
device without a card reader. But it's still a slave device. You've
still got to have a master device to control it.

The Macally Syncbox II that C.Joseph suggested would probably work.

--
Derek

If I'm "crippled by a lack of ethics", can I draw disability?

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Derek napsal(a):
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:46:36 GMT, Dean Collins wrote:
>
>
>>what about using the new sandisk usb/sd card?
>
>
> That card allows one to use the SD card as a USB 2.0 mass storage
> device without a card reader. But it's still a slave device. You've
> still got to have a master device to control it.
>
> The Macally Syncbox II that C.Joseph suggested would probably work.
>

But shouldn't it be possible to achieve by software?
Mark

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Jim
I was hoping there was a program which could allow the palm to emulate a
master device.
Mick
"Jim Anderson" <fro2750@frontiernet.my_finger.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c640947e8d9c15d9896a6@news.frontiernet.net...
> In article <brrKd.97$nQ1.2@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, xxx@xxx.com says...
> > I watch Divx files on the Palm which I store on an SD card. If I am on
the
> > road, I need my PC to load new files onto the SD card.
> > I carry an MP3 music player (an Iriver) with a 20gb hard drive and a
USB2
> > connector. I would like to store my files on that and transfer them to
the
> > SD card directly without using my laptop.
> > Is there any way of doing this using the Palm as a card reader?
> > Mick
> >
> >
> >
>
> They are both USB slave devices, so no you can't, to transfer fil;es you
> need one master device.
>
> --
> Hope this helps.
> Jim Anderson
> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

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Derek napsal(a):
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:53:29 +0100, Marek Stanìk wrote:
>
>
>>Derek napsal(a):
>>
>>>On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:46:36 GMT, Dean Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>what about using the new sandisk usb/sd card?
>>>
>>>
>>>That card allows one to use the SD card as a USB 2.0 mass storage
>>>device without a card reader. But it's still a slave device. You've
>>>still got to have a master device to control it.
>>>
>>>The Macally Syncbox II that C.Joseph suggested would probably work.
>>>
>>
>>But shouldn't it be possible to achieve by software?
>>Mark
>
>
> No. You cannot substitute software for missing hardware components.
>

Pity. Someone at PalmOne should have thought of this. I have yet to see
a camera sporting a BT or IR :-(
Mark

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Derek napsal(a):
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:26:52 +0100, Marek Stanìk wrote:
>
>
>>Derek napsal(a):
>
>
> [ snip by Derek ]
>
>
>>>No. You cannot substitute software for missing hardware components.
>>>
>>
>>Pity. Someone at PalmOne should have thought of this. I have yet to see
>>a camera sporting a BT or IR :-(
>
>
> Who says someone at Palm didn't think of it? It's possible that they
> thought about it and discounted the idea.
> USB On-The-Go would have been a nice inclusion, but that only works
> with other USB On-The-Go items.

Will they produce camera with an email client or bundled notebook instead?

Mark
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Derek wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:27:54 GMT, Squirrel wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:19:58 -0700, "C.Joseph Drayton"
>> <kalek1@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Mick,
>>>
>>>I don't know if this will work with a Palm, but it is something to
>>>look into:
>>>
>>><http://www.macally.com/spec/usb/input_device/tablets.html>
>>>
>>>Ciao . . . C.Joseph
>>
>> This would work as long as there was an application for the PalmOS
>> device that made it "look like" a USB mass-storage device.
>> If they actually sell the thing for $50US then it (and the Palm
>> software) would beat-out the cost of a laptop.
>>
>> I started searching the web for a "real" solution to this thing and I
>> found this link;
>>
>> <http://www.softick.com/mobile/cardexport2/>
>>
>> If I read the product correctly, they say that for $15US your
>> (supported) PalmOS device (using USB) will look-like a logical disk on
>> a host machine desktop. I assume that this application would make the
>> Palm behave like a USB "dongle" and could be used with the
>> Macally/Syncbox(II) things. Overall cost would be around $60US
>> +shipping and stuff. Lots cheaper than a used laptop.
>> Thanks to the original poster Mick, and Joseph, I now know a lot more
>> about this stuff... thanks you guys
>>
>> Phil
>
> I use CardExport II on my m515. It's a very nice program. It *should*
> work with the Syncbox II as a mass storage device.
>
> Use of Cardexport II doesn't require device specific drivers on the
> 'host' machine - it acts like a generic USB flash drive. So if
> SyncBoxII can access a generic USB flash drive, then it *should* work.
>
> (Yeah, I'm hedging a lot with the "shoulds".)

There's a similar gadget available in the UK here.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.asp [...] D=&doy=3m2
(Watch for a line break)


Andrew

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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 03:03:05 GMT, Squirrel wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:44:06 +0100, =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Marek_Stan=ECk?=
> <marekdotstanek@dont.bother.to.spam> wrote:
>>Will they produce camera with an email client or bundled notebook instead?
>>
>>Mark
>
> Yes, they are called cell phones with cameras.

Or even, arguably, Treos.
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But it rocks absolutely, too.

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Jim Anderson wrote:

> In article <m3mzut4nfh.fsf@cairo.lti.cs.cmu.edu>, awb@cs.cmu.edu says...
>> Jim Anderson <fro2750@frontiernet.my_finger.net> writes:
>>
>> > In article <brrKd.97$nQ1.2@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, xxx@xxx.com says...
>> > > I watch Divx files on the Palm which I store on an SD card. If I am
>> > > on the road, I need my PC to load new files onto the SD card.
>> > > I carry an MP3 music player (an Iriver) with a 20gb hard drive and a
>> > > USB2 connector. I would like to store my files on that and transfer
>> > > them to the SD card directly without using my laptop.
>> > > Is there any way of doing this using the Palm as a card reader?
>> > > Mick
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > They are both USB slave devices, so no you can't, to transfer fil;es
>> > you need one master device.
>>
>> There is a product CardExport from Softick.com which makes your Palm
>> SD card appear as a USB drive on your desk top. This allows you to
>> copy things directly to the Palm's SD card.
>>
>> Also I believe the latest version of prc-tools for Linux support
>> copying directly to the SD drive, though I've not used that, which
>> implies the sync protocol allows it.
>>
>> The other technique I used to use was just copying large files to the
>> Palm's SD card by putting it in a card reader directly attached to my
>> desk top.
>>
>> Alan W Black email: awb@cs.cmu.edu
>> Language Technologies Institute http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~awb/
>> Carnegie Mellon University tel: +1-412-268-6299
>> 5000 Forbes Ave, Pittsburgh PA, 15213, USA. fax: +1-412-268-6298
>>
>>
>
>
> BUT, he can not hook-up his iPod to his Palm and copy files back and
> forth, because? (hint- both are USB slave devices)

He didn't say he had an ipod, he said he had an i_river_, which is a
different box. At least one 20GB IRiver model _does_ have a USB host port.
Whether it can be accessed from a Palm is another story.

A better bet might be to trade the Iriver on an Archos, one model of which
can read SD directly while another is a Linux box with all that implies.

Of course if he had the Iriver with the host port he'd be using _it_ to
watch DivX files.

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