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January 30, 2001 3:56:00 PM

I know that you all love posts from me, all the AMD crowd will get all bent over this post im sure.

The thermal, incompatability, and HSF problems with AMD are big ISSUES, untill those problems are not posted here on a DAILY basis I will shove it in your face every chance I get.

If you believe that they are not an issue than your complete idiot. every other posts has something from one of those 3 topics. but you see/call the posts a bunch of lies.

Some of you may claim to have built thousands of computers (LMAO at that joke). but we know better. you would have to build 3 machines @ 7 days a week x 365 days a year to break 1000 machines times several years to be in the thousands. GG on that estimate. A dozen sounds more believeable.

I have only built a few hundred systems from scratch. I have installed thousands over the passed 20 years.

Hello Mr. prebuilt computer maker. please ship my AMD systems with the CPU not installed because 99.9% of this world doesnt know to remove it before shipping. This is a issue that is the source for alot of DOA machines. reports of CPU coming loose during shipping due to increased HSF needed. It is over spec for rating of retaining bracket.

Kinda funny how the quick fix for one problem becomes another problem. AMD should spend some money and correct the thermal problem.

PSU is not much of an issue anymore since its not posted here on a daily basis. I think most companies have done a great job correcting the crappy under spec products they were distributing.

More about : setting amd crowd straight

January 30, 2001 5:48:17 PM

You got a point there FUGGER

First person to get a topic banned. ABIT BP6 Lives FOREVER!!!
Anonymous
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January 30, 2001 5:51:10 PM

GRRRRR!!!!! I HATE MY DAD!!!! I HATE ICKY GIRLS!!! IM GONNA TAKE IT OUT ON THE REST OF YOU!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! I HATE THE WORLD!!!!! IM GONNA GO LISTEN TO THE CURE REALLY REALLY LOUD IN MY ROOM!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

anyway, i bought a duron 800 for really really cheap, now it runs at 1016mhz and never goes above 40 degrees C even under full load...it runs everything and is the best bang-for-the-buck chip i've ever bought. i'm not an amd junkie, if intel comes out with an equivalent chip or better next time im looking to buy a cpu, i'll go for that. all your ravings about incompatibilities and heat problems are news to me.

anyway...you're only doing this in a sad attempt to get some attention.....here's a hint, go out, go to a bar, and get some friends....
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January 30, 2001 6:02:08 PM

I have built 3 systems. Two Intel and one AMD. The two Intel I built for work and the AMD is my personal home system. I built the systems for different purposes. One Intel system is a workstation and the other was for a partner that knows nothing about computers. In terms of stability, the Intel systems win hands down. In terms of performance, the AMD leaves the two Intel systems in the dust.

The thermal and HSF issues were irrelevant to me. For my work systems, stability was essential and far more important than performance. Stability and compatiblity, though, is in the chipset, not the processor. For stability, the Intel chipset is still unbeatable. Via, AMD, and other chipset manufacturers are still behind in that area. Hence, my work systems are Intel systems with Intel chipsets. When you look at non-Intel chipsets, stability is equivalent whether you use an Intel or AMD processor.

For my home system though, I wanted performance! I can deal with instability at home. I have had my home system for 5 months now and I will tell you I have had problems with it. All the problems, though, have been with the chipset and graphics card. Via eventually released stable chipset drivers and the motherboard maker a stable BIOS. Still waiting on a stable driver for the video card but the subsequent releases are getting better. As is always the case whether you use Intel or AMD, the drivers for the different components need time to mature. But as I have said before, that is the price you pay for the latest and greatest, which is to say, the fastest.

The AMD T-bird Athlon processors are the fastest. The P4 is only an option for those who don't mind paying too much. Intel needs to get a clue and lower its prices. I paid the same for my partner's 733MHz PIII as I did for my 900MHz T-bird. I was willing to scrifice performance (NOT COST) for stability in my partner's system but not for my home system.

I do not ignore the problems with temp and agree AMD should address the problem but since I do not bother with overclocking, the retail heat sink works just fine for me and hence is a non-issue. Overclockers have to beware and use a heavy duty HSF whether it is Intel or AMD.

<i>Guess my favorite football team!</i> :cool: James
January 30, 2001 6:58:55 PM

listen man...people who burn their amd chips did it because they were eighter gambling to get a few more Mhz or just plain stupid moron dickheads. it's a well know fact that Dr. Tom Pabst, who is without doubt a computer genius, prefers athlons over intel. and all resonably intelligent computer users/hobbiest know that amd is far more superior than the overpriced intel piece of sh!t. even if you burn your amd cpu, lets say a duron 600@ 50 bucks which you could oc it to, let be conservative and say 800Mhz. will cost you less to buy 2 duron than 1 p3 800mhz. i say be stupid and keep giving your money to the fat farts at intel.

If you can't beat 'em kill 'em
athlon "SLOTA" thunderbird 700@1050mhz
January 30, 2001 7:03:02 PM

let me correct myself. i check the price list and a p3 800 cost about 180 buck and a duron 750 is 50-60 bucks. that's 3 durons for the price of 1 p3.

If you can't beat 'em kill 'em
athlon "SLOTA" thunderbird 700@1050mhz
January 30, 2001 7:08:52 PM

One issue that AMD really should address though is thermal protection. It's a really sad day when you have to rely on your motherboard to detect your CPU temperature and shut down if it's going to overheat.

And how many OEM systems cut corners on cost and ship you an AMD system without a motherboard that can do that for you? Just think of how many times that heat sink might get loose and when you turn on the computer **POOF** no more chip because it just burnt itself to death.

I personally don't have problems with that because I'm smart enough to check first.

But the majority of computer purchasers just don't know any better.

And really, how hard could it be to put it into the chip? After all, Intel does it. If AMD gave one single whit for their customers and weren't just out to get your every penny, they'd put that thermal protection in their chips.

- Sanity is purely based on point-of-view.
January 30, 2001 7:14:38 PM

That's a bit extreme. If they were out to "get every penny" they sure as hell would be charging more instead of the massive undercutting that they are doing. They are buying market share with lower prices, the exact opposite of screwing people out of all their cash. In fact, it is rather easier to argue that it is Intel who is out to "screw the consumer for every penny" given their market domination and pricing.

All that being said, there is not a (unregulated) company out there who isn't trying to get the most money out of each and every one of us. For some, it's just a longer term play (i.e. AMD).
January 30, 2001 7:23:55 PM

It's not extreme, it's the plain truth.

And I never said that Intel wasn't out to get every penny either. Obviously they are. Otherwise they'd drop their prices even more.

But you do have to wonder if maybe those prices are higher than AMD's prices because they actually put things like thermal protection into the chip... If Intel cut corners like AMD does, they could probably lower their prices to be just like AMD's.

The simple fact is, Intel makes it's money by keeping the prices of the chips high. And AMD makes money by providing a product that can easily become damaged, thus causing people to buy more than they really should have needed when such damage occurs.

And if AMD's name were as big as Intel's, I'd bet every penny I had that their prices would be just as high as Intel's. It's only because they're trying to compete that their prices are so low.

Which honestly I like, because that forces Intel to lower their prices. Competition is good. And I can respect a company for trying to squeeze every last penny from you. That's the whole POINT of a company.

But I don't repsect a company that does it by treating their customers so poorly. Intel bends over backwards to keep their customers happy. (As shown with the MTH crisis.) AMD does everything they can to screw their customers to force them to buy more from them. (As seen with a lack of thermal protection.)

- Sanity is purely based on point-of-view.
January 30, 2001 7:39:49 PM

Boy I just love these long response posts.









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The thermal, incompatability, and HSF problems with AMD are big ISSUES, untill those problems are not posted here on a DAILY basis I will shove it in your face every chance I get.

If you believe that they are not an issue than your complete idiot. every other posts has something from one of those 3 topics. but you see/call the posts a bunch of lies.

First of all, these "Incompatability" problems with AMD you talk about are nonexistent. If there are any problems at all, it is with the crappy VIA chipset. AMD has nothing to do with it.

2nd, there are no HSF problems, so unless you don't know what HSF means you are seeing things.

3rd, the reason why you see 3 times as many posts about AMD than Intel is because there are 3 times as many people <i>using</i> AMD than Intel.

If you believe that these <i>are</i> issues, then <i>you</i> are a complete idiot because you are either stupid, gay, blind, or just plain nonsensical. (Not pointing to anyone in particular here).










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Some of you may claim to have built thousands of computers (LMAO at that joke). but we know better. you would have to build 3 machines @ 7 days a week x 365 days a year to break 1000 machines times several years to be in the thousands. GG on that estimate. A dozen sounds more believeable.

I have only built a few hundred systems from scratch. I have installed thousands over the passed 20 years.

I have built MANY computers, but definately not thousands. Maybe someday I hope to hit that thousand mark! :smile:


















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Hello Mr. prebuilt computer maker. please ship my AMD systems with the CPU not installed because 99.9% of this world doesnt know to remove it before shipping. This is a issue that is the source for alot of DOA machines. reports of CPU coming loose during shipping due to increased HSF needed. It is over spec for rating of retaining bracket.

What does this have to do with it? Shipping defects? WTF? Give me a break. IT's not like Intel systems never come with defects.













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Kinda funny how the quick fix for one problem becomes another problem. AMD should spend some money and correct the thermal problem.

As already stated, there is no thermal problem. The only real "problem" is that AMD was dumb enough to not include thermal protection.









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PSU is not much of an issue anymore since its not posted here on a daily basis. I think most companies have done a great job correcting the crappy under spec products they were distributing.

Obviously not Intel or the companies making P4 systems. The stupid processor is so much money they have to buy crappy peripherals. A TNT2 video card? Give me a break!







<font color=green>(This post was not meant for any flaming purposes, just expression of opinion and fact.)</font color=green>
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January 30, 2001 7:50:20 PM

I don't know where the "s" came from unless it was a typo. I have built roughly a thousand systems since I began a few years ago. I am a supplier for a local reatailer. And I am a full-time student. I accomplish all this by neglecting my studies and avoiding sleep whenever possible. Sometimes I crash an sleep for a couple days.

Suicide is painless...........
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January 30, 2001 8:16:31 PM

There are indeed lots of crap and [-peep-] you can say about both CPU manufacturer but the fact remains that AMD chips require a bloody lot of patches to get their CPU running properly and stably.

Intel on the other hand doesn't have such problems of patches and drivers updates to keep everything runnign smoothly.

Word for word my dear readers is that if you want speed but a lot of hassle in looking for patches every now and then, by all means.. go with AMD but if you want a stable machine that will run most application nicely and on a reasonable speed, gow ith Intel PIII.

ONE WORD PEOPLE!!!! LESS HASSLE!!!

I mean most application nowadays do not require that much of a computing power like the Atholn.. A pIII 933 or 800 is enough to satisfy your gaming (if you have got a pretty good Video card) needs. I have a PII 266 running at 350 mhz with 256 meg ram it runs fine with all application I have and games.. Get a fast HD like the Deskstar and you are set and of course a up to standard Video card.

I'll be looking to get a new comp soon and I have to say all these recommended patches for your AMD system to run as fast as it possibly can and runnign stably is makign me throw up. Think about it.. LESS HASSLE..

Mike
January 30, 2001 8:32:42 PM

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but the fact remains that AMD chips require a bloody lot of patches to get their CPU running properly and stably.

Uhh are you stupid? Ever heard of <font color=green>V - I - A</font color=green>?????? Obviously not, and if you haven't you don't deserve to be talking in this thread.








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ONE WORD PEOPLE!!!! LESS HASSLE!!!

Thats two words. Learn how to count.










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I mean most application nowadays do not require that much of a computing power like the Atholn.. A pIII 933 or 800 is enough to satisfy your gaming (if you have got a pretty good Video card) needs

Dude... you were just praising the Athlon!!!! Way to go.

It doesn't make sense that if you have 200 bucks to spend you buy a p3 800 instead of a tbird 1.1GHz because you don't think you need the power. LOL!








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I'll be looking to get a new comp soon and I have to say all these recommended patches for your AMD system to run as fast as it possibly can and runnign stably is makign me throw up. Think about it.. LESS HASSLE..

Well obvoiusly you've never made an AMD system (or purchased one assembled). There are no recommended patches. If you buy an Intel system you get the latest drivers and everything too. Give me a break. I have build MANY more AMD computers than you (more computers overall) and have not had this hassle you talk about. So don't go dissing something if you've never tried it. Thanks.
January 30, 2001 8:53:46 PM

Grizley1, VIA = Incompatability problems? hello re-read that again.

"If there are any problems at all, it is with the crappy VIA chipset. AMD has nothing to do with it"

I bet you have a VIA chipset in your AMD system, =P

AMD does not hold a 3/1 market share, sorry grizley1

Im not talking about shipping defects, its the use of bigger/heavier HSF in systems being shipped. Not heard of this?? wtf you been? people order alot of pre built systems.
Ive heard a few people complain about this and it is a problem. not all oem builders use retail amd cpu, some save a few bucks with OEM and uber cheap HSF, or heavier HSF.

"As already stated, there is no thermal problem. The only real "problem" is that AMD was dumb enough to not include thermal protection."

Lack of thermal protection is not a thermal problem? Umm, ok.. that makes alot of sense

"Obviously not Intel or the companies making P4 systems. The stupid processor is so much money they have to buy crappy peripherals. A TNT2 video card? Give me a break!"

Its called "upgrade options", that TNT2 is the base video card. If your using that system as a server wtf do you need a more expensive card? That video card is also supported by redhat linux straight out of the install. no searching for drivers and crap.
January 30, 2001 9:17:37 PM

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Grizley1, VIA = Incompatability problems? hello re-read that again.

"If there are any problems at all, it is with the crappy VIA chipset. AMD has nothing to do with it"

I bet you have a VIA chipset in your AMD system, =P

AMD does not hold a 3/1 market share, sorry grizley1

I don't understand what you're trying to say. You said AMD has incompatibility problems and I said no it's the VIA chipsets not AMD. And yes I do have a VIA chipset in my system :tongue:

BTW, no company holds a 3/1 market share, that's impossible. :tongue:










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Im not talking about shipping defects, its the use of bigger/heavier HSF in systems being shipped. Not heard of this?? wtf you been? people order alot of pre built systems.
Ive heard a few people complain about this and it is a problem. not all oem builders use retail amd cpu, some save a few bucks with OEM and uber cheap HSF, or heavier HSF.

Well then it's the manufacturers fault for being such dumbasses, not AMD.








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Lack of thermal protection is not a thermal problem? Umm, ok.. that makes alot of sense

Yep it does. If the lack of thermal protection is a thermal problem then the lack of MHz on a 486 is a problem.











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Its called "upgrade options", that TNT2 is the base video card. If your using that system as a server wtf do you need a more expensive card? That video card is also supported by redhat linux straight out of the install. no searching for drivers and crap.

Yes it's the base system, but they advertise with it. "Oh this computer is the best in 3d games" and all that LOL what a joke. My old P2 333MHz could beat a piece of crap P4 with a TNT2.
January 30, 2001 9:19:48 PM

that's some long ass reply griz. let them envy amd. intel is nothing more than a has-been.

If you can't beat 'em kill 'em
athlon "SLOTA" thunderbird 700@1050mhz
January 30, 2001 9:22:02 PM

Kind of like those old bell bottom hippie pants from the 70's (although they are starting to come back a little hehehe)

BTW it oonly looks big cause of the spaces i put between quotes. :smile:
January 30, 2001 9:30:38 PM

So, in summary, you think that AMD is trying to compete by building an intentionally shoddy product so that people will buy more of it instead of going with the ubiquitously-known competition? That is not any "plain truth;" it is R I D I C U L O U S. The business economics of it simply wouldn't work: they've bet their pricing model on the long term play BUT the product scenario you hypothesize is most certainly a short term play. They haven't fought long and hard to get to this point (10+ years!) to intentionally sabotage their future.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the lack of thermal protection is a good thing. BUT the product has certainly proven to work *in general* without it and it has been proven so by numerous manufacturers. Lots of places get the things work CONSISTENTLY, they can't be THAT bad. You don't see any press railing against them, do you? No consumer advocacy groups flogging them up? Almost every media outlet I've seen has recommended the Athlons and Athlon systems (some gave it Hardware of the Year awards) up and down, regardless if it was tailored to gearheads or soccer moms.

You are acting as just as much of a zealot as the AMD ones you are damning. I'm certainly no zealot, I'm trying to find the reasonable ground in between. There are problems, chiefly because of VIA and definitely with rookie OC'ers from the sound of the posts. *But* the price to performance of the AMD chips has been and still is well above the Pentiums, which is the important measure to me. If it flip-flops the next time I upgrade my system, I will buy Intel. Just that simple.
January 30, 2001 10:46:26 PM

Grizley, not gonna play the "lets quote" with you because you can sure bend anything anyone says into your one sided arguement.

In reguards to your last post, your point is completely lost due to the fact I quoted you directly saying what your trying to deny later. GG

Untill a day goes by without someone brining up the problems in question on this forum, its an issue AMD is gonna have to deal with. Not just leave it up to VIA and others to figure out.

You say that 3 times as many people own AMD, that is completely wrong. yet you can reword it to whatever you want.

Face the facts, look at the most recent posts and what do you see? yep AMD problems with HSF and thermal issues. that has nothing to do with VIA the crappy chipset maker.

Ignore it and maybe it will go away =)
January 30, 2001 11:35:01 PM

You sure are stupider than I thought. I was talking about the incompatability problems when I said it was VIA's fault. I'm sorry, I've really tried not to get into flame wars, but I think it's going too far.

I have no clue what you're talking about when you say you quoted me on something I denied.







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Untill a day goes by without someone brining up the problems in question on this forum, its an issue AMD is gonna have to deal with.

Well then.... Intel have lots of problems too, cause I see post about Intel stuff.




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You say that 3 times as many people own AMD, that is completely wrong. yet you can reword it to whatever you want.

If everyone on this forum participates in a POLL - "What type of microprocessor do you have? Intel or AMD?" - I guarantee there will be way more AMD people on here. I never said overall throughout the world. I said on this forum.







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Face the facts, look at the most recent posts and what do you see? yep AMD problems

Face the facts dude, if you look at the most recent posts about Intel you see problems.





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Ignore it and maybe it will go away =)

That's why everyone is ignoring P4 :wink:
January 31, 2001 12:18:43 AM

I about fell of my chair when I read this

"But I don't repsect a company that does it by treating their customers so poorly. Intel bends over backwards to keep their customers happy. (As shown with the MTH crisis.) AMD does everything they can to screw their customers to force them to buy more from them. (As seen with a lack of thermal protection.)"

Have you been sleeping the last year. Treats there customers so good? Intel? What??????? Where were you when Intel made a back room agreement with RAMBUS to Implement its memory solution and only its memory solution on its chipsets with the payoff being huge stocks shares and incentives when RAMBUS reached certian percentages in market share? This, at the objection of some of Intels own engineers that they did not feel this was the best solution for there own (intels) processors? This is nothing more than forcing a product down the consumers throat. And this you respect? Good lord how can you even begin to compare that to a missing thermal protection device on a cpu? Sure I would like to see one on my AMD CPU. But how does this even begin to compare to Intels questionable business policies? If Intel would have only listened to its engineers ahead of time there never even would have been a mth issure to begin with!


A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!
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January 31, 2001 12:22:50 AM

I indeed had a noticable difference overclocking from 700 to 933, but I think it was the bus speed, not the processor speed, that gave it to me. For most aplications there was not a noticeable difference, but my games did render more smoothly in 1600x1200 mode. Since most of my games do not benefit from the higher settings I prefer to play in 1024x768, so I don't think I really needed the extra speed.

Suicide is painless...........
January 31, 2001 1:05:05 AM

I keep reading about all these "patches" needed for VIA chipsets (some of the mentally challenged refer to this as AMD patches). Well, for starters the only "patch" that I am aware of for any board made with in the last few years is the AGP driver which takes all of about 30 seconds to install. Now I know this may be a huge hassle (come on gimmee a break). Then I hear about how great the Intell chipsets are. But I digress. While it may be true that 4 years ago Intell may have made one of the best chipsets to date, the BX chipset, remember folks this is only one chipset. For the record the lx,tx, and zx chipsets were not all that hot. The I810, I820, and I840 were just plain lousy. Now, correct me if I am wrong but it would seem too me that chipsets made after the bx should be expected to actually outperform the products they are replacing should they not? So whats the deal Intell heads? At least VIA has been improving on there design not making it worse. And just exactly how much of these "incompatabilites" lie within the actual OS itself? And now that VIA actually outsells intell what will happen with future OS's and there support?

Oh yes I know I forgot to mention the I815 that intell had to pull out of there hat after the MTH issue.....Still could not beat the bx....but was that by design? Or was it that good ol' intell did not want a SDRAM chipset making there RAMBUS counterpart look even more pathetic?

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 3:33:30 AM

Well, I am running an amd900@1000 with w2k and absolutely no problems. Perhaps I am just lucky. One thing for sure though, after reading all horror stories you guys post, I feel like I dodged a bullet somehow.

Next year when I upgrade again I'm prety sure it will be a new and improved P4 with DDR memory. I may have to do without a new car, but at least I'll have a stable computer.
January 31, 2001 3:58:15 AM

Fugger never has and never will post anything remotely helpful on this forum. By the way Griz- good to see a real post from you again, that's what I'm talkin about. Fugger is such a blind corporate prostitute, that despite proof all over the web and the world that the things he makes such a big deal out of really aren't a problem unless you screw up, he can't admit that AMD makes as good as if not better products than Intel. I have built well over 700 systems with one other guy- we build computers for our business and for a university in 2 years and many are AMD and we've never had a single compatibility or heat problem of any kind- never needed a single patch etc. Same goes for Intel- never a problem. Fugger has a big mouth but no proof to back it. He doesn't piss me off by dissing AMD, he just pisses me off because he's a moron. To bad he has no real stats backing him up. The only reason more people ask AMD questions on this site is because more people on this site own amd processors and will naturally have more questions than for a processor they don't own and I'm sure don't care to own. Intel is ok, AMD is better. Fugger just rambles.

ILLEGALISE BULLETS
January 31, 2001 4:08:05 AM

Isnt it entertaining to watch the heated war of AMD or INTEL. I believe some of the most active fighters are taking it as a after supper sport, like watching the brainless wrestling games. For those wishing to find some 'real-life' experience, don't believe a word posted in these hot arguments. They are just for fun, IMO.
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 5:15:54 AM

AMD Athlon Processor Awards


United States

CPU of the Year, Maximum PC, December 2000
World Class Award — Product of the Year, PC World, July 2000.
Analyst’s Choice Award — Best PC Processor, Microprocessor Report, January 2000
Technical Excellence — Best Component (Hardware Category), PC Magazine, November 1999
Wired for 3D Editors’ Choice, 3D Magazine, January 2000
Best Product of 1999 (Hardware), Windows NT Systems, January 2000
All-Star Award, Cadalyst, December 1999
CPU of the Year, Maximum PC, December 1999
Attaboy Award — Product of the Year, Houston Chronicle, December 1999
Peak Performer Award — Best Product (Hardware), System Builder Summit, Palm Desert, California, March 2000.
International

Best New Computer Hardware, The Toronto Star, May 2000.
Best New Product, Breakaway Canada — Computing Technology Association of Canada, April 12, 2000.
Best Processor of 1999 (Hardware for Games Category), Game.exe, (Russia), March 2000.
Technical Excellence — Best Component (Hardware Category), PC Magazine en Espanol (Mexico), December 1999
Best Overall Product of the Year, PC Magazine (UK), December 1999
Best System Design — Processor, PC Magazine (UK), December 1999
Product of the Year, PC Expert (France), January 2000
Technical Excellence — Hardware and Component Category, PC Expert (France), January 2000
Year 2000 Star Product (New Technology Category), Info PC (France), January 2000
Overall Product of the Year, Info PC (France), January 2000
Editors’ Choice, Generation PC (France), January 2000
Product of the Year, PC Compatibles (France), December 1999
Product of the Year — Processor, PC Direct (France), January 2000
Product of the Year 2000, PC Achat (France), January 2000
Product of the Year, PC World (Denmark), December 1999
Product of the Year, PC World (Norway), December 1999
Best CPU for Desktops, PC World Komputer (Poland), December 1999
Technology Product of the Year, PC Kurier (Poland), January 2000
Millennium Award, Personal Computer Magazine (The Netherlands), January 2000
Golden Knight Award — Best Processor of the Year, Home Computer (Russia), December 1999
Best of Comdex (Israel), December 1999
Best of World PC Expo 99, Nikkei BYTE/Nikkei WinPC Magazine (Japan), September 1999
Hardware of the Year Award – Processors, PC Joker Magazine (Germany)
Readers Choice Award, CHIP Magazine, (Poland)
Product of the Year Award, MikroPC (Finland), December 1999
Product of the Year Award – Processors, Tietokone (Finland), December 1999
Best Product of 1999, China Computerworld (China), January 2000
Top 10 IT Product in 1999, China Computer Reseller Weekly (China), January 2000
Highly Recommended Hardware, eNet, January 2000
Upgrade Product of 1999, Australian Personal Computer (Australia), November 1999
CeBIT-Oscar for "Trend Setting Technology" — Hardware Category, CHIP Magazin (Germany), February 2000.
Most Innovative Manufacturer, PC Direct (Germany), February 2000.
Reader’s Choice – Most Innovative Hardware, PC Shopping (Germany), February 2000.
Reader’s Choice - Company of the Year (Germany), PC Shopping, February 2000.
Grand Prix Award, Best CPU — Hi-End Use, VIDI Magazine (Croatia), February 2000.
Grand Prix Award, Best CPU — Games, VIDI Magazine (Croatia), February 2000.
Grand Prix Award, Best CPU — Office Use, VIDI Magazine (Croatia), February 2000.
Innovation of the Year, PC Professionell (Germany), February 2000.
Zloty Processor, Teleinfo (Poland).
Golden Computer, Computer Bild.
Product of the Year, PC Magazine (Italy), 2000.
Product of the Year, CHIP Magazine (Poland), 1999.
Recommended Product, PC Actual (Spain).

AMD Athlon Processor-based System Awards


Editors’ Choice Award: micronpc.com Millenia MAX XP, PC Magazine, November 2000
#1 Home PC: Gateway Select 800, PC World, May 2000
Fastest PC Ever Tested, Maximum PC, December 2000
#1 PC Desktop Over $1,000: Polywell Poly K7-800, BusinessWeek Computer Buying Guide, March 2000
#1 PC Desktop Under $1,000: Polywell Poly AG-500, BusinessWeek Computer Buying Guide, March 2000
State-of-the-Art Desktop PC: Compaq Presario 5861, PC Computing, November 1999
Editors’ Choice Award (Desktop PCs): TCE K7-600, Computer Reseller News, September 1999
#1 Midrange PC: Micro Express’s MicroFlex-550B, PC World, January 2000
Best PC of 2000 Award, PC User, November 2000 (Australia)
Best Hardware of 1999: Polywell Poly 800K7-700, CNET.com, December 1999
System of the Year: CyberMax Enthusiast AP6 650 MHz Athlon, Maximum PC, December 1999
Attaboy Award — Best Consumer PC: Compaq Presario 5900Z, Houston Chronicle, December 1999
Cadalyst Labs 5-Star (out of a possible 5 stars) Highly Recommended Workstation: Polywell 800K7-6501, Cadalyst
Cadalyst Labs 5-Star Highly Recommended Workstation: Sys Performance 600A, Cadalyst
Cadalyst Labs 5-Star Highly Recommended Workstation: Xi Computer 650K MTower SP, Cadalyst
Ultimate Game Machine (co-winner): Falcon Northwest Computers, Computer Gaming World, December 1999.


Oh, did I forget to say that Microprocessor Report selected the Athlon as the best PC Processor for the second straight year?

Isn't it amazing that 9 of the top 10 OEMS sell AMD systems, in spite of all their problems? Isn't it amazing that the Athlon has garnered so many accolades in spite of all their problems??

FUGGER...you need to get a life cus you aint kiddin' anyone here.
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 5:53:05 AM

I am the dumbest person in the world
not realyl dumb but the point is, i installed my duron 800 myself!!
Easy as pie, not hard at all i was nervous yes but if i can install one anyone can and my duron 800 is overclocked to 950 max temp in a hot room even is 42 not hot at all
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 7:25:09 AM

While I agree that AMD processor is probably a better value, AMD-based systems probably have not gathered as many awards as the Intel-based ones during the period in which AMD has sold Athlon and Duron processors.

Still, I've yet to see Pentium IV winning a single processor award. ;) 
January 31, 2001 10:24:28 AM

This is why i don't buy OEM systems. Always build your own system and u have nothing to worry about it. And if/when I overclock my system, if it blows out i'll buy a new one. it's not like AMD chips are $1000. $170 bux and ur back up and running. I'm totally not worried.

--SR
January 31, 2001 11:39:11 AM

Depends on what you are figuring for an "Athlon." (Depends on what the definition of is is.) The Tbird Athlons have taken pretty much every award over the past year. With the Classics, though, you might be correct. I also think that the Durons have done some serious stomping on the Celerons.
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 11:53:05 AM

I agree that the thermal protection is an issue, the compatatbility issues in my experience bridge the Intel/AMD divide, I have several Computers and have had a few problems with each along the way and the posts that I read cover both AMD and Intel CPU's causing problems.... so stop Promoting a company who would rip you off as sson as look at you (that goes for AMD as well) and use the knowledge you do have to help people who have found themselves in the unfortunate position of having a problem....

M

one of the first UK T-Bird users....
January 31, 2001 12:41:25 PM

yeah, indeed amd has achieved a lot of props, that does not mean a thing when over 90% of hollywood cgi companies use intel products! Intel has the market cornered.

for example:
On film studios and anything that has anything to do with movies there's the lighting Co. Mole-Richardson that has cornered the market even tho' their equiment looks rather old(nasty maroon color) and does not perform as well, also very expensive it is still being used and prefered on 100% of all major motion pictures!

here's a link http://www.mole-richardson.com

maybe this is apple to oranges but this how thing are. sorry.
January 31, 2001 12:53:13 PM

yeah but come on, that's $340 for 1 out 2 chip and you might blow that one too! hehe that'll be $510 to get a system up? get real.

well, of course! you "don't buy OEM" at all then you buy the retail box, isn't that a tad more expensive?

but then again anyone with more synaptic connections would just return the box for a new one!
January 31, 2001 1:04:39 PM

Ahhh, now you HAVE reached the point of absurdity. Who the Hell cares what CGI studios are using? Why not ask what is being used for Finite Element Analysis? Or newspapers layout designers? Or by Wiccans who want to simulate spells and potions? Who the HELL cares?!

Your weak attempt at focusing on such a miniscule, niche, meaningless segment shows that you KNOW how futile and capricious your attempts have been at showing that AMD does not have a quality product out there for almost everybody.
January 31, 2001 1:16:53 PM

Well your post proved how utterly dumg you are.

You claim that I make no sense because Intel has screwed their customers by forcing them to use RDRAM.

Hmm.

Let's look at that more closely.

Well, let's see. There's the i185 chipset supporting DDR SDRAM for Pentium 3 processors. Hmm. That's not Rambus, is it?

So the MAJORITY of Intel customers right there have every option to use SDRAM.

Now let's look at the small segment of the P4. Yes, it only works with RDRAM right now. RIGHT NOW. This IS changing in the future. AND look at the memory bandwidth of RDRAM compared to SDRAM right now. At the moment, RDRAM is the best memory available for a Pentium 4 chip since it is a bandwidth monster.

The only REAL complaint that people could have with using RDRAM in a P4 is the price. But then if you're buying a P4, what do you care about price anyway?

Yes, Intel did some weird things while dealing with Rambus. But now that the Pentium 4 has been released, those weird dealings make perfect sense. And Intel has not at ANY time screwed their customers to do this. It might look and sound a little shady, but can ANY customer complain about a bad product resulting from these dealings?

(And before anyone tries to complain that the i820 and i840 chipsets are bad products, consider just they perform when using PC800 RDRAM.)

The ONLY questionable product that Intel has sold and NOT instantly recalled or prevented from going to market before actually being sold is the Pentium 4. But yet even the Pentium 4 has proven that when running optimized software it can outperform AND AMD chip running optimized software. So is it's performance REALLY all that questionable? Obviously the problem is not with the chip itself, but with the lack of software support for the chip. (Though I do agree with everyone that the P4 SHOULD have had a better FPU.)

Now let's look at AMD chips. If they overheat, they die. It's a relatively simple matter to put protection against that into the chip. But does AMD actually do this? No. Which makes EVERY AMD chip released a questionable product. Does AMD do ANYTHING to fix this?


- Sanity is purely based on point-of-view.
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 1:26:56 PM

Hehehe....grasping at straws, are we?? After years of brainwashing companies are finally realising that AMD is a viable alternative to Intel. The soon to emerge 760MP will garner AMD even more attention and deployment in the business world.

<A HREF="http://www.mere3d.com/" target="_new">http://www.mere3d.com/&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.vizix.com/" target="_new">http://www.vizix.com/&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.digitalanvil.com/" target="_new">http://www.digitalanvil.com/&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.bladeti.com/" target="_new">http://www.bladeti.com/&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.lindyandthelook.com/" target="_new">http://www.lindyandthelook.com/&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.henson.com" target="_new">http://www.henson.com&lt;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.muppetworld.com" target="_new">http://www.muppetworld.com&lt;/A>

The list is growing....................
January 31, 2001 1:29:25 PM

Yup, you're right. Those Athlons sure are "questionable products." No one in their right mind would use them or recommend them. Certainly not build systems with them.

Attention, Everyone, IGNORE Connie's post which lists a PORTION of the awards won by the Athlons! They are not Real Awards. The Product is Questionable.

Yup, something sure is questionable.
January 31, 2001 1:42:48 PM

hey thanks for the links, I did like the henson site.(I bookmarked it)

I'm not going to post my links because they're too many!

anyway, keep searching and again thanks for the links.
January 31, 2001 1:57:33 PM

I wish car companies would devalue the automobile market like amd did with the cpu market so that I can get a nice car real cheap!

think about it, if they could come out with a car that goes for Oh, $1500 new, then I'd be there in a flash, and if they leave out the radiator then I'll would only drive in cold weather. hehe.
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 2:09:56 PM

I wish car companies would inflate car prices, double them, like Intel has done with the CPU market so I can get soooo little for sooooo much money.

Think about it, if they would come out with a car, like a Geo Metro for Oh, $100,000.00 new, then I'd be there in a flash, and if they leave off a few cylinders I'll only drive it on side streets.....Duhhhhhhhh
January 31, 2001 2:13:15 PM

I dont care about MMX, SSE, SSE2, or even 3D NOW!

The FPU is the most important of the cpu. Intel has to wait till northwood for a FPU. I would see most likely northwood having (L1 32kb or 64kb)(L2 512kb or 1mb)

First person to get a topic banned. ABIT BP6 Lives FOREVER!!!
January 31, 2001 2:24:49 PM

Exactly. AMD chips are cheaper because AMD simply leaves things out of the chip.

I wish everyone would stop taking what I wrong also. I don't for one second argue that the AMD isn't a performance champ. It's also an overclocker's dream. AMD makes chips that run well.

But no matter how well the chip runs, no one can argue that it's been made MISSING parts. It has no thermal protection.

So yeah, AMD chips have a better bang for the buck. But you get what you pay for. If you buy an AMD chip, you get a chip that has every possability of toasting itself. If you buy an Intel chip, you have a chip that you know can take a lickn' and keep on tickn'.

Which is just one of the small but simple list of reasons why for inexperneiced computer users I will suggest that they go with an Intel product over an AMD product.

And for experienced computer users that don't need the rare benefits of the P4, I suggest going with AMD.

If AMD could only drop VIA, half of my problems with a complete AMD system would end right there.

Everyone says, "Oh the VIA chipsets are so mature.", and, "Intel chipsets suck because their own i815 can't even beat their 440BX."

But they fail to consider that despite just how many freaking revisions the VIA chipsets go through and just how many software patches there have been, these chipsets STILL have problems. (Admittedly, MOST of the problems have been fixed by now.)

As for the 815 vs. BX issue, yeah it's a little weird. But considering that the BX was never designed to run at a 133MHz FSB anyway, and that the AGP clock is out of spec if you do this, that in itself indicates that IF you were running the BX IN SPEC, the i815 WOULD be faster. And don't you think that in and of itself, that out of spec AGP could be making that tiny bit of speed difference that there actually is between the two? I bet if you overclocked the i815's AGP clock like that, it'd perform exactly the same as the BX.

So will all of you AMD fans who love to fan the flames with your ignorance just get a life?

And will you Intel fans who love to do the same get a life as well?

There's a great middle point between fanaticism called the 'educated consumer'. And this is where I sit. If anyone wants to join me there, you'll find that there are a lot of fun things to talk about and you just might learn a thing or two.

- Sanity is purely based on point-of-view.
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 2:25:56 PM

Lets see...

People buy intel processors just for the brand name.

The main people to buy intel processors are the large computer vendors who have special deals with intel. Some smaller vendors are also locked into exclusive contracts, forbidding them from using other processors.

Businesses have deals with these vendors for there workstations etc. increasing the intel processor sale.

However, many large vendors are also shipping AMD processors showing that they're satisfied with the product.

Stability has been a problem with AMD in the past, but thats slowly dissapearing. My Athlon on a Asus K7V doesn't seem to cause me any grief, whether I'm running Win2k/win98se or even redhat linux. Lockups during gameplay also seem to have dessapeared (mostly).

As for processor quality, the only point most people seem to have pinned to AMD is the Heat dissapation. It is true, AMD processor exert more heat then the intel counterparts, but that is what the HSF is for. All half decent motherboards have connections to allow CPU thermo's. I do admit built in thermal protection will make it the ideal processor; to match its perfection in the other departments.

And also, what is it about intel recalling every single processer breed only weeks after they release them. Now whose selling sub-standard goods to their beloved and might i add paitriotic customers? They just should wait till its ready - like AMD.

Performance wise... the p4 is a pretty good processor when running sse2 optimazed apps. otherwise its just an overpriced peice of silicon.

AMD, however, is a brilliant all round performer for half the price.
January 31, 2001 2:32:19 PM

I dont care INTEL or AMD

i wont go AMD !

Cause no matter there going to say that VIA is always the NO #1 for chipset for AMD products. I feel sorry for ALi and SiS who make more stable chipsets.

First person to get a topic banned. ABIT BP6 Lives FOREVER!!!
January 31, 2001 2:35:31 PM

Intel left off half of their FPU because of die size restrictions and because when running SSE2 optimized software, the SSE2 processing will make up for the half-sized FPU. AND the next series of chips with etching shrink will have a full FPU again.

This makes the P4 right now probably the dumbest buy ever IF you can wait. (If you can't wait, then it's better than no SSE2 support at all.)

AMD left out thermal protection ... why? Oh wait, I'm sorry, they have no reasonable excuse as to why they left it off other than that they rely on the additional sales to replace burned out chips.

Hmm... It makes one think, doesn't it?

- Sanity is purely based on point-of-view.
January 31, 2001 2:36:59 PM

yeah, but they did sell it for $100,000.000 new! and they didn't include any more cylinders than what was needed! that's because IT HOVERS!!! that's why you can drive on the side streets!

duh, duhhhhhhhh!

Oh lord, I'm having too much fun here.
I can go on and on, it's my day off!
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 2:37:49 PM

rcf84: R U Mad? Any operation will run way faster when optimized for a good SIMD instruction set rather than even the best fpu out there!!!!!!
Anonymous
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January 31, 2001 2:47:56 PM

I thought the AMD 761 chipset is best for the DRR systems??

M

one of the first UK T-Bird users....
January 31, 2001 2:53:26 PM

There are many reasons to buy an Intel system other than just because it's a brand name they know. For you to not even aknowledge them only shows your lack of ability to think freely.

There is the stability issue when compared to AMD chipsets.
There is the assured quality customer service.
There is the fact that if you need to buy a system NOW and you know you will need SSE2 support, you really have no other choice.
There is the fact that AMD really doesn't have mutliple-processor systems while Intel does and has had them for a LONG time.
There is the fact that Intel chips have thermal protection and AMD chips don't.
And there is the Xeon chip for server use of which AMD has nothing to compare.

This list used to be even longer, but at least VIA is finally fixing a lot of their motherboard issues and there are finally low-cost all-on-motherboard systems for Durons so that finally an AMD system can cost as little as an Intel system when going for low performance budget PCs.

But still, there are several very good reasons for going with Intel other than just for the brand name.

As for, "intel recalling every single processor breed only weeks after they release them", what world have you been in? The P1.13GHz was NEVER officially sold. The problem was discovered in the engineering prototypes for testing and the chip itself never made it to market in the first place, so there was NOTHING TO RECALL. Yes, a lot of vendors had already filled contracts for computers using the chip, but that only shows how stupid it is to sell something before you even have it in your hand to sell.

And the P4 chip has been out for months now. People are using P4 systems THAT WORK and that they don't need to send back to Intel. They're GOOD chips (in that they do work).

Yes, Intel has tried to rush a few things so that they can compete with AMD. Yes, it has caused them to look bad. But the absolute truth is that if you own an Intel chip, you can be sure that the chip works or that it will be replaced with a working one if it's recalled. So no matter what, if you buy Intel, you KNOW you'll have a working product. So where do you have ANY room to argue otherwise with that?

And for all anyone can claim that AMD is better, why hasn't AMD yet released any chip that can compete with Intel's P4 when running optimized software?

The plain and simple fact is that going with either company has it's own advantages and disadvantages. And that BOTH companies have done some stupid things.

- Sanity is purely based on point-of-view.