how quick can you band?

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2005, Antoine wrote:

> I am sure it is possible to win in under 1e5 turns, and will look
> forward to seeing one... or how about 5e4 if you're really keen...?

Under 100k isn't that hard, it is like an under 1M game in vanilla pace
wise. I have done it in under 50k, half orc paladin, small levels. That is
moving very fast.

The game went essentially perfect. I found a whip of westerness early which
allowed me to chew through all the orc uniques. Wormtonque dropped a R
armor, and Lurtz Aeglos. I also found a weaponmastery amulet immediately on
DL11 so there was no scumming for the final fight.

The new speed system plus a half orc's innate resist dark and the ability of
a paladin to cast resist cold/fire means you can do the final fight with
little prep, all you need are a couple of potions of resist acid and speed
and healing and likely res str.

You have to get lucky in the summons though, if he brings in a big pack of
nether hounds or other funky dogs, or big D's that hit resist holes, or high
level uniques, you could be toast and have to get out of there, and without
destruction you can't teleport twice withotu risking immediate LOS death.

You also need good luck with the stores, in particular scrolls of phase
door, teleportation and potion of cure wounds have to be stocked a lot. You
essentially don't buy anything significant and spend all money on any
healing/speed potions and teleportation.

I am trying small room, no stores, ironman in under 100k turns, was with a
high elf warrior, but you get killed way too often by an encounter with a
unique. High elf rangers are way more stable as are half-orc paladins.

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Cliff Stamp
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Cliff Stamp wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2005, Antoine wrote:

> The game went essentially perfect. I found a whip of westerness early which
> allowed me to chew through all the orc uniques. Wormtonque dropped a R
> armor, and Lurtz Aeglos. I also found a weaponmastery amulet immediately on
> DL11 so there was no scumming for the final fight.

What scumming would you need without weaponmastery?
There's no disenchantment attack, and for the strength attack, you can
use that very convenient stack of restore strength from the store.

N:569:Saruman of Many Colours
G:A:v
I:120:40d100:100:100:0
W:60:1:300:35000
B:HITARALYZE:4d4
B:HIT:LOSE_STR:4d4
B:HIT:UN_POWER:4d4
B:HIT:COLD:4d4

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Cliff Stamp wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, pete mack wrote:
>
> > Cliff Stamp wrote:
>
> >> The game went essentially perfect. I found a whip of westerness early which
> >> allowed me to chew through all the orc uniques. Wormtonque dropped a R
> >> armor, and Lurtz Aeglos. I also found a weaponmastery amulet immediately on
> >> DL11 so there was no scumming for the final fight.
> >
> > What scumming would you need without weaponmastery?
>
> I was speaking of the total three effects, those three drops gave the basic
> resistances and offence to allow no need for speed and a redued need for
> healing and general prep. The amulet was also dual ego (of digging) so made
> a huge effect offence wise.

Got it. I looked at the dump. That (+11, +14) amulet is spectacular;
makes up for the missing ring, and then some. (Quickband's a game where
I'd definitely consider wearing Gorlim for non-caster class.)

The missing disenchantment attack is particular to Quickband. It makes
sense: ordinarily you can defer killing the powerful disenchanters
until late in the game, but that wouldn't work in Quickband against
Saruman.

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Cliff Stamp wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, pete mack wrote:
>
> > * Teleport Other is hard to find in time for the final battle.
>
> You don't need it, I have never used it.
>

No, I wouldn't need it in melee, but I was planning to use arrows,
since I never found a usable weapon. And the store didn't stock much
!Restore Strength this time around. Anyway, I failed to kill Saruman;
I went down with no Teleport Other, no ego ammo, and no phase door, but
a whole lot of teleport self.

It didn't come close to working. (I didnt' think it would.) I finally
fled the fight, way down in !CCW, teleport, and ammo.

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Cliff Stamp wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, pete mack wrote:
>
> [teleport other]
>
> > No, I wouldn't need it in melee, but I was planning to use arrows ...
>
> Was this changed, I recall people discussing the failure rate for arrows
> should be higher if you were in melee range.

Not changed by me.

A.