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Anonymous
May 8, 2004 12:02:08 AM

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Hi Ho

So how about a list of 'good mutations' ?

for well one my char has is 'specialiced in digesting flesh' and i think
this is quite a very cool mutation. i never have probs with eating i eat
everything (grunt) even the ugly things taste good (g)

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Anonymous
May 8, 2004 1:01:37 AM

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"Andreas Huck" <blaaaaaaaa@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<c7gl4l$i6j$06$1@news.t-online.com>...
> Hi Ho
>
> So how about a list of 'good mutations' ?
>
> for well one my char has is 'specialiced in digesting flesh' and i think
> this is quite a very cool mutation. i never have probs with eating i eat
> everything (grunt) even the ugly things taste good (g)

when you get something like that (you specialize in digesting meat/are
primarilly a herbavore) you gain more nourishment from those items,
but less from the other food items.

For example: If you're a herbavore, apples/oranges/bananas will reduce
your hunger better then if you were a carnivore and eating those same
food items.

Level 1 gives a small bonus/penalty when eating some foods and is
*good* to have.
Level 2 gives a larger bonus/penalty which can be good and bad from
time to time. But mostly bad if you can't find the food items you're
specialized to.
Level 3 will absolutely restrict you as to which items you can and
can't eat. This mutation has to be reduced or REMOVED before you
starve to death. Biggest fear is to have several meat rations, but
you're a herbavore only, and thus cannot eat those life-saving meat
products. :/ 
Anonymous
May 8, 2004 3:57:00 AM

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Andreas Huck <blaaaaaaaa@t-online.de> screamed:

> So how about a list of 'good mutations' ?

Mutations tend to have 3 levels, with ever stronger effects. I'll
add a list of all of them at the end of this post. (Didn't know the
scale descriptions weren't random. It's from mutation.cc from the
source. If someone could provide a link for you, you might like to
take a look at it yourself. Even I manage to find some answers
there, and I have no clue at all. :)  )

> for well one my char has is 'specialiced in digesting flesh' and
> i think this is quite a very cool mutation. i never have probs
> with eating i eat everything (grunt) even the ugly things taste
> good (g)

I do rather like that mutation as well, but poisonous food is still
poisonous without poison resistance.

Kobolds, trolls, and I think ogres are carnivorous to start with.
Ghouls actually heal when they eat rotten meat, and it heals their
own rotting. (Nagas, btw, are poison resistant.)

There's an amulet that'll let you eat meat even when you aren't
hungry: amulet of the gourmand. It'll also allow you to eat rotten
food without getting sick. Actually, when you've got this amulet,
it's better to let chunks of orc (for example) rot before eating
them, because if you eat them fresh, you might get sick. (Sick just
means you'll not heal up Hp. and might lose the occasional point of
Str, Dex or Int until it's over). This might be a bug, not sure.

On a note related to mutations, Demonspawn get random, supposedly
positive
  • , mutations during the game that can't be gotten rid of.
    Xom likes to mutate his followers at whim, which in my experience
    tends to be more positive than negative. Xom's fun, though, anyway,
    even when he tries to kill you. Think of him as the RNG's little
    brother, doing more obvious meddling in your business.

  • I object to +Str / -Dex mutations and similar being counted
    among the positive ones.

    --------- Mutation spoiler: ---------

    Your muscles are strong (Str + n).
    Your mind is acute (Int + n).
    You are agile (Dex + n).

    You are surrounded by a mild repulsion field (ev + 1).
    You are surrounded by a moderate repulsion field (ev + 3).
    You are surrounded by a strong repulsion field (ev + 5; repel missiles).

    Your system is immune to poisons.
    Your system is immune to poisons.
    Your system is immune to poisons.

    Your digestive system is specialised to digest meat.
    Your digestive system is specialised to digest meat.
    You are primarily a carnivore.

    You digest meat inefficiently.
    You digest meat inefficiently.
    You are primarily a herbivore.

    Your flesh is heat resistant.
    Your flesh is very heat resistant.
    Your flesh is almost immune to the effects of heat.

    Your flesh is cold resistant.
    Your flesh is very cold resistant.
    Your flesh is almost immune to the effects of cold.

    You are immune to electric shocks.
    You are immune to electric shocks.
    You are immune to electric shocks.

    Your natural rate of healing is unusually fast.
    You heal very quickly.
    You regenerate.

    You have a fast metabolism
    You have a very fast metabolism.
    Your metabolism is lightning-fast.

    You have a slow metabolism.
    You have a slow metabolism.
    You need consume almost no food.

    You are weak (Str - n).
    You are dopey (Int - n).
    You are clumsy (Dex - n).

    You can control translocations.
    You can control translocations.
    You can control translocations.

    Space occasionally distorts in your vicinity.
    Space sometimes distorts in your vicinity.
    Space frequently distorts in your vicinity.

    You are resistant to magic.
    You are highly resistant to magic.
    You are extremely resistant to the effects of magic.

    You cover the ground quickly.
    You cover the ground very quickly.
    You cover the ground extremely quickly.

    You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
    You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
    You have supernaturally acute eyesight.

    Armour fits poorly on your deformed body.
    Armour fits poorly on your badly deformed body.
    Armour fits poorly on your hideously deformed body.

    You can teleport at will.
    You are good at teleporting at will.
    You can teleport instantly at will.

    You can spit poison.
    You can spit poison.
    You can spit poison.

    You can sense your immediate surroundings.
    You can sense your surroundings.
    You can sense a large area of your surroundings.

    You can breathe flames.
    You can breathe fire.
    You can breathe blasts of fire.

    You can translocate small distances instantaneously.
    You can translocate small distances instantaneously.
    You can translocate small distances instantaneously.

    You have a pair of small horns on your head.
    You have a pair of horns on your head.
    You have a pair of large horns on your head.

    Your muscles are strong (Str +1), but stiff (Dex -1).
    Your muscles are very strong (Str +2), but stiff (Dex -2).
    Your muscles are extremely strong (Str +3), but stiff (Dex -3).

    Your muscles are flexible (Dex +1), but weak (Str -1).
    Your muscles are very flexible (Dex +2), but weak (Str -2).
    Your muscles are extremely flexible (Dex +3), but weak (Str -3).

    You occasionally forget where you are.
    You sometimes forget where you are.
    You frequently forget where you are.

    You possess an exceptional clarity of mind.
    You possess an unnatural clarity of mind.
    You possess a supernatural clarity of mind.

    You tend to lose your temper in combat.
    You often lose your temper in combat.
    You have an uncontrollable temper.

    Your body is slowly deteriorating.
    Your body is deteriorating.
    Your body is rapidly deteriorating.

    Your vision is a little blurry.
    Your vision is quite blurry.
    Your vision is extremely blurry.

    You are somewhat resistant to further mutation.
    You are somewhat resistant to both further mutation and mutation removal.
    Your current mutations are irrevocably fixed, and you can mutate no more.

    You are frail (-10 percent hp).
    You are very frail (-20 percent hp).
    You are extremely frail (-30 percent hp).

    You are robust (+10 percent hp).
    You are very robust (+20 percent hp).
    You are extremely robust (+30 percent hp).

    You are immune to unholy pain and torment

    You resist negative energy.
    You are quite resistant to negative energy.
    You are immune to negative energy.

    You can summon minor demons to your aid.
    You can summon demons to your aid.
    You can hurl blasts of hellfire.
    You can call on the torments of Hell.
    You can raise the dead to walk for you.

    You can control demons.
    You can travel to (but not from) Pandemonium at will.
    You can draw strength from death and destruction.

    /* Not worshippers of Vehumet */
    You can channel magical energy from Hell.

    You can drain life in unarmed combat.

    /* Not conjurers/worshippers of Makhleb */
    You can throw forth the flames of Gehenna.

    You can throw forth the frost of Cocytus.

    You can invoke the powers of Tartarus to smite your living foes.

    You have sharp fingernails.
    Your fingernails are very sharp.
    You have claws for hands.

    You have hooves in place of feet.

    You can exhale a cloud of poison.

    Your tail ends in a poisonous barb.
    Your tail ends in a sharp poisonous barb.
    Your tail ends in a wicked poisonous barb. (Nagas & Draconians)

    Your wings are large and strong. (Draconians only)

    You have tough skin (AC +1).
    You have very tough skin (AC +2).
    You have extremely tough skin (AC +3).

    You are protected by plates of bone (AC + 2, dex - 1).
    "... (AC + 3, dex - 2) / (AC + 4, dex - 3)

    You are partially covered in.. ..scales.
    You are mostly covered in.. ..scales.
    You are (completely) covered in.. ..scales.

    supple grey/blue/speckled/iridescent - (AC + 1) / (AC + 2) / (AC + 3)

    red - (AC + 1) / (AC + 2) / (AC + 4)

    orange - (AC + 1) / (AC + 3) / (AC + 4)

    patterned - (AC + 1) / (AC + 2) / (AC + 3)

    green/smooth nacreous/black/white - (AC + 1) / (AC + 3) / (AC + 5)

    indigo - (AC + 2) /(AC + 3) / (AC + 5)

    brown - (AC + 2) / (AC + 4) / (AC + 5)

    purple - (AC + 2) / (AC + 4) / (AC + 6)

    yellow - (AC + 2) /(AC + 4, dex - 1) / (AC + 6, dex - 2)

    knobbly red - (AC + 2) / (AC + 5, dex - 1) / (AC + 7, dex - 2)

    ridged grey - (AC + 2, dex - 1) / (AC + 4, dex - 1) / (AC + 6, dex - 2)

    thick black - (AC + 3, dex - 1) / (AC + 6, dex - 2) / (AC + 9, dex - 3)

    metallic - (AC + 3, dex - 2) / (AC + 7, dex - 3) / (AC + 10, dex - 4)

    //jmf: these next two are for evil gods to mark their followers; good gods
    // will never accept a 'marked' worhsipper

    There is a blue sigil on each of your hands.
    There are several blue sigils on your hands and arms.
    Your hands, arms and shoulders are covered in intricate, arcane blue writing.

    There is a green sigil on your chest.
    There are several green sigils on your chest and abdomen.
    Your chest, abdomen and neck are covered in intricate, arcane green writing.

    --------- --------- ---------

    Question: How/from whom can I get those marks?

    --
    Tina the Eclecticist - the Favourite Plaything of the Regained Noisy Grit
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    Anonymous
    May 8, 2004 6:05:38 AM

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    Tina Hall wrote:
    > Andreas Huck <blaaaaaaaa@t-online.de> screamed:

    <snip>

    > //jmf: these next two are for evil gods to mark their followers; good gods
    > // will never accept a 'marked' worhsipper
    >
    > There is a blue sigil on each of your hands.
    > There are several blue sigils on your hands and arms.
    > Your hands, arms and shoulders are covered in intricate, arcane blue writing.
    >
    > There is a green sigil on your chest.
    > There are several green sigils on your chest and abdomen.
    > Your chest, abdomen and neck are covered in intricate, arcane green writing.
    >
    > --------- --------- ---------
    >
    > Question: How/from whom can I get those marks?

    You can't. They are much like the Shoggoth in that they aren't
    currently implemented.

    Graeme Dice
    --
    Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
    A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
    Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time?
    A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an autopsy.
    Anonymous
    May 8, 2004 9:57:00 AM

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    Graeme Dice <grdice@sasktel.net.NOSPAM> barked:
    > Tina Hall wrote:

    [Mutations]
    >> //jmf: these next two are for evil gods to mark their followers;
    >> good gods will never accept a 'marked' worhsipper
    [...]
    >> Question: How/from whom can I get those marks?

    > You can't. They are much like the Shoggoth in that they aren't
    > currently implemented.

    Ah, thanks. How can one distinct the stuff that's implemented and
    which is not?

    Will they ever get implemented? They sound nifty.

    --
    Tina the Basher - an Initiate of the Restless Nibbling Godzilla
    Anonymous
    May 8, 2004 10:21:00 PM

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    Mechanoid <necromancer_90@hotmail.com> growled:

    [herbivore/carnivore]
    > Level 3 will absolutely restrict you as to which items you can
    > and can't eat. This mutation has to be reduced or REMOVED before
    > you starve to death.

    A carnivore hardly has to fear starvation, there are plenty of
    monsters around.

    > Biggest fear is to have several meat rations, but you're a
    > herbavore only, and thus cannot eat those life-saving meat
    > products. :/ 

    And on you go spreading misinformation.

    You still can eat meat rations, you just can't eat raw meat.

    Btw. Is it just me or are honeycombs and royal jelly good either
    way? (I'm not asking you but hope someone else here knows that.)

    --
    Tina the Sky Mage - the Champion of the Resilient Nightly Gore
    Anonymous
    May 8, 2004 10:21:01 PM

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    Tina Hall wrote:
    > Mechanoid <necromancer_90@hotmail.com> growled:
    >
    > [herbivore/carnivore]
    >
    >>Level 3 will absolutely restrict you as to which items you can
    >>and can't eat. This mutation has to be reduced or REMOVED before
    >>you starve to death.
    >
    >
    > A carnivore hardly has to fear starvation, there are plenty of
    > monsters around.

    Unless you happen to be in one of the dungeon branches where there are
    very few edible monsters.

    >>Biggest fear is to have several meat rations, but you're a
    >>herbavore only, and thus cannot eat those life-saving meat
    >>products. :/ 
    >
    >
    > And on you go spreading misinformation.
    >
    > You still can eat meat rations, you just can't eat raw meat.

    You might be able to eat meat rations, but the food value is reduced
    from 5000 to 500 for the third level of the herbivorous mutation.

    > Btw. Is it just me or are honeycombs and royal jelly good either
    > way? (I'm not asking you but hope someone else here knows that.)

    They don't appear to be affected by the mutation, but I can't be sure
    without doing a search outside of food.cc


    --
    Iraqi Head Seeks Arms
    Anonymous
    May 9, 2004 1:41:51 AM

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    > Btw. Is it just me or are honeycombs and royal jelly good either
    > way? (I'm not asking you but hope someone else here knows that.)

    even if its off topic, well im primaryly in my favourite char a carnivore
    and
    the honeycombs and the royal jelly are quite good. i eat everything rotten
    except the eye-things (im resistant to acid too) because the eye-things
    cost me a very advanced char.... (well thats bad)

    if someone would go into this deeper he would know that 'a honeycomb' is
    'NO PLANT' at all and even royal jelly. they count upon the vegan
    rules as 'flesh' at all and are no grown thing. they are made of/from moving
    things.

    gretz
    Anonymous
    May 9, 2004 2:18:00 AM

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    Graeme Dice <grdice@sasktel.net.NOSPAM> roared:
    > Tina Hall wrote:
    >> Mechanoid <necromancer_90@hotmail.com> growled:

    >> A carnivore hardly has to fear starvation, there are plenty of
    >> monsters around.

    > Unless you happen to be in one of the dungeon branches where
    > there are very few edible monsters.

    If you go there, then that's your fault, isn't it? <g>

    (I'm not considering Pandemonium or Abyss as part of that, because
    ending up there is bad news anyway, and especially with Pandemonium,
    you might just end up dead no matter what you can or can't eat.)

    >>> Biggest fear is to have several meat rations, but you're a
    >>> herbavore only, and thus cannot eat those life-saving meat
    >>> products. :/ 
    >>
    >> And on you go spreading misinformation.
    >>
    >> You still can eat meat rations, you just can't eat raw meat.

    > You might be able to eat meat rations, but the food value is
    > reduced from 5000 to 500 for the third level of the herbivorous
    > mutation.

    I was just objecting to 'cannot eat...'.

    Everyone makes mistakes occasionally, but that guy's spewing rubbish
    with pretty much every post, and it gets on my nerves.

    --
    Tina the Annihilator - a High Priest of the Repellent Noisome Grimace
    Anonymous
    May 9, 2004 2:18:01 AM

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    Tina_Hall@kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message news:<MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet_243960e8@fidonet.org>...
    > Graeme Dice <grdice@sasktel.net.NOSPAM> roared:
    > > Tina Hall wrote:
    > >> Mechanoid <necromancer_90@hotmail.com> growled:
    >
    > >> A carnivore hardly has to fear starvation, there are plenty of
    > >> monsters around.
    >
    > > Unless you happen to be in one of the dungeon branches where
    > > there are very few edible monsters.
    >
    > If you go there, then that's your fault, isn't it? <g>
    >
    > (I'm not considering Pandemonium or Abyss as part of that, because
    > ending up there is bad news anyway, and especially with Pandemonium,
    > you might just end up dead no matter what you can or can't eat.)
    >
    > >>> Biggest fear is to have several meat rations, but you're a
    > >>> herbavore only, and thus cannot eat those life-saving meat
    > >>> products. :/ 
    > >>
    > >> And on you go spreading misinformation.
    > >>
    > >> You still can eat meat rations, you just can't eat raw meat.
    >
    > > You might be able to eat meat rations, but the food value is
    > > reduced from 5000 to 500 for the third level of the herbivorous
    > > mutation.
    >
    > I was just objecting to 'cannot eat...'.
    >
    > Everyone makes mistakes occasionally, but that guy's spewing rubbish
    > with pretty much every post, and it gets on my nerves.

    "Rations" means FOOD. Meat FOOD. Chunks CAN be considered "Meat
    rations" even though Chunks and Meat rations are two different things.
    On top of that, 5000 > 500. 500 won't do diddly-all for you, unless
    you have 10's of the rations... (Apples, bread, meat, chunks, and
    pizza can all be considered Rations as the word rations means: (From
    Dictionary.com)
    "_A fixed portion, especially an amount of food allotted to persons_
    in military service or to civilians _in times of scarcity._")

    And know that there is no edit feature on these forums that i may know
    of; for if there was i would certainly use it to correct myself. :) 
    (The fact that it takes several hours for my post to apear on the
    boards p***es me off, too... but that's another story.)
    Anonymous
    May 9, 2004 3:48:06 AM

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    On 8 May 2004 22:06:58 -0700, in a fit of madness
    necromancer_90@hotmail.com (Mechanoid) declared:

    >"Rations" means FOOD. Meat FOOD. Chunks CAN be considered "Meat
    >rations" even though Chunks and Meat rations are two different things.
    >On top of that, 5000 > 500. 500 won't do diddly-all for you, unless
    >you have 10's of the rations... (Apples, bread, meat, chunks, and
    >pizza can all be considered Rations as the word rations means: (From
    >Dictionary.com)
    >"_A fixed portion, especially an amount of food allotted to persons_
    >in military service or to civilians _in times of scarcity._")

    Except that in many roguelikes, including Crawl, ration has a more
    specific meaning.

    >And know that there is no edit feature on these forums that i may know
    >of; for if there was i would certainly use it to correct myself. :) 
    >(The fact that it takes several hours for my post to apear on the
    >boards p***es me off, too... but that's another story.)

    This is a newsgroup, not a "board". While "forum" is technically correct
    for any "place" for discussion, it suggests confusion with a "web
    forum". Tina is quite right to complain about your sloppiness with
    language. It does make you appear to be careless at best, clueless at
    worst.

    --
    R. Dan Henry
    danhenry@inreach.com
    Anonymous
    May 9, 2004 6:41:00 AM

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    Andreas Huck <blaaaaaaaa@t-online.de> whined:

    > Tina Hall wrote:

    (Btw. Please put in attributions - the above - so people know who
    wrote what.)

    >> Btw. Is it just me or are honeycombs and royal jelly good either
    >> way?

    > even if its off topic,

    Why off topic? This isn't just for questions, you can tell as many
    tales about your characters that you wish to share. :)  (Or are you
    refering to the nature of honeycombs and royal jelly?)

    > well im primaryly in my favourite char a carnivore and the
    > honeycombs and the royal jelly are quite good. i eat
    > everything rotten

    Everything rotton? With an amulet of the gourmand? Or do you mean
    all meat chunks? Rotten means 'verdorben/vergammelt'.

    > except the eye-things

    Normal (those that paralyze) eyes are ok to eat, the others give
    mutations.

    > (im resistant to acid too)

    An amulet of resist corrosion?

    > because the eye-things cost me a very advanced char.... (well
    > thats bad)

    How far did he get? What happened?

    > if someone would go into this deeper he would know that 'a
    > honeycomb' is 'NO PLANT' at all and even royal jelly.

    I didn't say it was a plant (well, it's obviously not a plant), but
    it could be considered vegan or something.

    My question was aimed at there being no complaint by the game (no
    message) when eating honeycombs and royal jelly, whether you're
    herbivore or carnivore.

    > they count upon the vegan rules as 'flesh' at all and are no grown
    > thing. they are made of/from moving things.

    Made by bees, but the ingredients are part plant... I mean,
    basically it's much like a pancake (those that actually contain eggs
    and milk, not just flour and water <g>).

    --
    Tina the Hurler, First Class - the Favourite Plaything of the Rough Nasty Gale
    Anonymous
    May 9, 2004 3:24:00 PM

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    Mechanoid <necromancer_90@hotmail.com> bellowed:
    > Tina_Hall@kruemel.org (Tina Hall) wrote in message
    > news:<MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet_243960e8@fidonet.org>...
    >>>> Mechanoid <necromancer_90@hotmail.com> growled:

    [snip useless fullquote]

    >>>>> Biggest fear is to have several meat rations, but you're a
    >>>>> herbavore only, and thus cannot eat those life-saving meat
    >>>>> products. :/ 
    [...]
    >> I was just objecting to 'cannot eat...'.
    >>
    >> Everyone makes mistakes occasionally, but that guy's spewing
    >> rubbish with pretty much every post, and it gets on my nerves.

    > "Rations" means FOOD. Meat FOOD. [...]

    What it means is irrelevant, we've got definite terms in the game.
    There are food rations, there are meat rations, there are chunks of
    foo meat, and all are different. No need to shout it isn't so.

    This is especially important when trying to give advice to newbies,
    and especially more so when English isn't the every-day language of
    the one you're talking to. We've got plenty of such people here,
    myself included. While with some you don't notice it, it'd be
    impolite to expect someone from Poland or Germany, for example, to
    speak and understand perfect English.

    Such a mistake can cost a character his life, and while it is only a
    game, that isn't nice.

    And instead of replying 'Oops, sorry.' you go on shouting about
    being right.

    --
    Tina the Devastator - a Follower of the Relatively Nervous Garlic
    Anonymous
    May 10, 2004 4:22:32 PM

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    In article <MSGID_2=3A240=2F2199.13=40fidonet_243953f8@fidonet.org>,
    Tina Hall <Tina_Hall@kruemel.org> wrote:
    >
    >Ah, thanks. How can one distinct the stuff that's implemented and
    >which is not?

    Read (and understand) the source. Some of the comments help in places.
    There's no easy solution :) .

    --
    Mark Mackey
    The Association for the Advancement of Dungeon Crawling
    Hints, tips and spoilers
    http://www.swallowtail.org/crawl/
    !