AMD vs Intel-The saga continues

For me, the only thing that matters is FPU, and AMD is 20% faster and way cheaper.

The numbers don't lie, but....

You are comparing apples with oranges. Yes, running todays software, the Athlon surpasses the P4 in many categories of performance. But when (If?) the software that the P4 is optimized for appears, you will see the P4 take a commanding lead.

The Athlon is not the AMD answer to the P4. That will be the Sledgehammer processor. Perhaps AMD will be able to take advantage of the mistakes made by Intel with the P4, and upstage Intel yet again.

But for today, with the software that is available now, why would anyone spend $343 for a 1.3ghz P4, when a 1.2ghz T-Bird can be had for $260? Don't forget about the more expensive RDRAM required by the P4.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHA, Um, ok....

AMD won at MS word
P4 won at Photoshop

Good comparison

Also notice how none of those apps are SSE2 optimized?

GG

SSE2 stuff is hitting the shelves daily.

NOT all vendors ship a TNT2 with P4, its just a basic video card that would work good in a server type system where you dont need 100+ FPS in database app. HELLO McFLY.

I have seen vendors ship TNT2 with athlon system (bare bone/basic), do you see me here ragging them? no. buy whatever video card you want, your not stuck with TNT2 on P4.

AMD is switching to SSE2 so get used to it.

You can argue about how great the P4 is until your blue in the face, it doesn't matter. When the leading authority on microprocessor design, Microprocessor Report, selected the Athlon as the processor of year for 2000, for the second straight year, what more can you say? The Athlon beat the P3 and P4. Almost any unbiased, knowledgable publication has said the same thing....The Athlon is the best platform available right now. Who should we trust, some moronic Intel droid (Fugger) or the rest of the world?

mmx was crap
sse was crap
3dnow was crap
sse2 was crap

all were widely ignored by the software industry. sure youll give me a few examples of things that were supported, but did they get any real gain out of it? no. "optimised" software for the p4 will be thin on the ground. ive heard so much of "its not that fast now but wait till everyone starts supporting it" that i dont believe it anymore.

oh and fugger, if photoshop performance is so f.ucking important to you, go and buy a f.ucking mac.

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Visual studio:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ [...] efault.asp

http://www.softseek.com/Utilities/ [...] index.html

"This newest version includes a burn-in wizard to test the system's stability, support for Pentium IV, new SSE2 benchmarks "

Quexal is now SSE2 optimized Feb, 2001 (nice little blub on SSE2 instruction set, w/ breakdown of each new instruction)

http://www.tommesani.com/SSE2SSE.html

Ulead Video studio

http://www.ulead.com/vs/sysreq.htm

Dragon naturally speaking version 5 is SSE2 optimized
1-877-393-7246 couldnt find web page but tech support will verify if you have problem believing me.

Ill try to find a list of more applications "SSE2 optimized" and post a link later.

Four applications... doesn't sound like "daily" to me.

Optimized has nothing to do with it. Benchmarks shouldn't be optimized. It's like giving a weak man a 1lb weight and a stronger man a 1000lb weight, then calling the weaker man the strongest!

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Satan Clara...... 'Nuff said.

5 apps, that took me all of 5 mins to find. 5 apps at 1 per day = 1 business week. woohoo (no clue where im going with that but it sounded good)

Apps are being recompiled for SSE2, is that so hard to believe? you asked list and I gave you a few.

"Ill try to find a list of more applications "SSE2 optimized" and post a link later"

Exactly, and why does he think software developers are hopping all over SSE2 when most of the world is yawning at the P4? Think about it! Think about how many apps don't even have SSE support for the PII and PIII, processors that were and still are very popular, even at their introductions. Some apps will get support, most won't. Don't hold your breath for all those optimized apps 'cus it'll be a long, long wait!

http://www.technoa.co.kr/forum/pds [...] 8158-5.jpg

here is the list of SSE2 optimized apps.
This list is kinda old though, as it is a document from the launch of Pentium4.
Keep in mind that there should be a lot more apps optimized for P4 by now.

Anyways why buy a p4 now when in six months it won't be upgradable, when intel switches over to .13 micron. It's more of marketing hype. Where major companies just wanna sell a piece of s*** to the dumb consumer, for the most they can get out of them. Example: Dell, Gateway, Compaq? There p4 systems cost from $1500-$3000. They ship them with pc-600, when everyone knows that for p4 to even be any real competition for AMD they have to ship it with pc-800. They even say that the p4 is more of a gaming machine. Well the only game that will get better results than an AMD is Quake III. Dell, Gateway and other oems send out their p4 systems with shitty ass video cards and say its a gaming machine? How do they get away with this you ask? Simple, most consumers are stupid.. Education pays...



"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but oh crap he's got a gun"

Just a quick note, since I recently bought a system from Gateway, after a long deliberation - Unlike Dell and possibly Compaq (not sure, didn't check) Gateway does NOT offer the option of PC-600 sh*t RAM- they stay with the PC-800 stuff only. Also, both systems I was looking at came with several video card options including GeForce2 Pro 32MB and GeForce2 Ultra 64MB. That it what ultimately opted me to buy the AMD system- same price as p4-1400 & 32mb GF2 pro but with 256 MB ram and 64MB GF2 Ultra. Not all companies exist purely to screw the simple minded

I would hesitate to think that no one is predicting SSE2 to go anywhere when AMD is supposedly including a full SSE2 instruction set in the Hammer and isn't doing anything to update 3Dnow. As far as the critics of Intel's foresight are concerned, they'd have to admit it was pretty damn smart to dupe home users and businesses to buy Intel's beta test processor for SSE2 at high prices when they weren't planning on supporting it in the future. He

did not know about the processor service pack for visual studio thanks for a usefull post for a change

I never followed up on this thread until now. Good to see I wasn't refuted that very few things have recently been optimized for SSE2.

I think AMD should have at least put in the SSE instuction set in the Thunderbird core. The P3 has been out for some time now (it is SSE capable).

Some 3D games employ the SSE instruction set to perform additional lighting calculations on objects in the 3D world. The difference between cold dark objects (with less lighting calculation applied), and warm colored more brightly lit objects (with more lighting calculation applied) is quite dramatic especially in one of the game I'm playing - Earth 2150.

I recently posted the following material to the <A HREF="http://www.earth-orbiter.com/" target="_new">Earth Orbital</A> general discussion forum:
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Re: The thing that drew me to Earth 2150...
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I've took some in-game snapshots to illustrate the graphical effects with SSE enabled (P933 with GeForce), SSE disabled (P933 with GeForce), and no SSE capability (C300a system with Voodoo2 and TnT card). Found that Graphical effects with SSE disabled on my main system is like that of my other system that is not SSE capable.

Image Test Set #A - Pay close attention to the middle tank in the images. Without SSE, the unit blends in with the surrounding. With SSE, the unit is more distinguishable:

<A HREF="http://home.columbus.rr.com/jsemler/images/c300a-tnt-a.jpg" target="_new">c300a-tnt-a</A>
<A HREF="http://home.columbus.rr.com/jsemler/images/c300a-voodoo2-a.jpg" target="_new">c300a-voodoo2-a</A>
<A HREF="http://home.columbus.rr.com/jsemler/images/p933-sse-disabled-a.jpg" target="_new">p933-sse-disabled-a</A>
<A HREF="http://home.columbus.rr.com/jsemler/images/p933-sse-enabled-a.jpg" target="_new">p933-sse-enabled-a</A>

Image Test Set #B - Without SSE, the units and buildings are darker looking. With SSE, the units and buildings are brighter.

<A HREF="http://home.columbus.rr.com/jsemler/images/c300a-voodoo2-b.jpg" target="_new">c300a-voodoo2-b</A>
<A HREF="http://home.columbus.rr.com/jsemler/images/p933-sse-disabled-b.jpg" target="_new">p933-sse-disabled-b</A>
<A HREF="http://home.columbus.rr.com/jsemler/images/p933-sse-enabled-b.jpg" target="_new">p933-sse-enabled-b</A>

Based on the above results, the graphics in this game does seem to favor SSE enabled processors. Would be interested in comparing results with other people that have AMD systems (I can provide the save game files if anyone is interested).

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Looks like I have no upgrade path for the foreseeable future - the weak FPU of the P4 don't interest me, and no SSE2 capability in current lineup of AMD processors.

Not that I think I need a faster system at this very moment! Currently running a p3 700 at 933MHz.

Hi, HolyGrenade - The last three 3D game titles (BattleZone II, Dark Reign 2, and Earth 2150) I've played is SSE optimized. They are not 3DNow! optimized (AFAIK).

It is obvious that the developers of the Earth 2150 game employed additional lighting calculations for when the SSE capability is present. I attempted to show this in the images (Quite dramatic for me, I want the SSE optimizations turned on). The 3DNow! instruction set would not benefit this game as the calculations are done inside the game.

I am looking forward to AMD next processor technology, which I hope will have support for SSE2.

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The Transform and Lighting features are now moving to GPU based Graphics cards. Even My GeForce (1) DDR claims its processor is faster than 6 Pendium III's dedicated to the same amount of Graphics Processing. So, Lighting etc. cannot be improved much if you already have a GPU based graphics card.

However, Game Physics is still left for the CPU to handle. I suppose SSE Could come in little useful there. But still, 3D Now! isn't that bad compared to SSE. SSE2 however, should bring in improvements.