[Crawl] Religion

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I'm a fairly new Dungeon Crawl player (though I've been playing Nethack for
years and years) and am really enjoying playing a new Roguelike -- I've not
played one for a while.

I have a couple of questions about religion which I hope someone can answer
for me.

I've been playing as a hill orc, starting with no religion. In the game I've
just been playing (the first in which I actually made some progress) I
arrived at the temple and decided I'd try religion and see how it worked
out. I decided to follow Warmaster Okawaru, as he seemed to be thinking
along the same lines as my character (kill everything that moves).

Things started out ok. I would offer some corpses when I had the chance (by
praying and dissecting the corpse) and occasionally prayed before delivering
the killing blow to a monster. Okawaru never seemed particularly impressed
with me though, and I was never too taken with him either. Some time later
my character suddenly lost his religion, with no explanation. Shortly after
this, Okawaru sent a bunch of monsters to kill me, which they succeeded in
without too much difficulty.

So, is Okawaru a good choice of god for a newbie player? Why did I lose my
religion, did I need to sacrifice more often?

If religion generally worthwhile, or is it better to avoid the risk of
angering your god?

And finally, how does one offer items other than corpses (weapons, etc.)? I
couldn't find any key to make such a sacrifice and dropping things on the
altar didn't have any effect.

My thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer,

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"Oenone" <noone@nowhere.com> writes:

>So, is Okawaru a good choice of god for a newbie player?

Yes. Pray before all kills and sacrifice all corpses you
don't want to eat. It takes a while to get in good standing
but it's worth it.

>Why did I lose my religion, did I need to sacrifice more
>often?

Yes.

>If religion generally worthwhile, or is it better to avoid
>the risk of angering your god?

In my opinion, a religion is always worthwhile.

>And finally, how does one offer items other than corpses (weapons, etc.)? I
>couldn't find any key to make such a sacrifice and dropping things on the
>altar didn't have any effect.

Drop the items on the altar, then pray. Note that worthless
junk isn't usually appreciated.

-Jukka
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Oenone <noone@nowhere.com> whined:

[trying out religion with Okawaru]
> Things started out ok. I would offer some corpses when I had the
> chance (by praying and dissecting the corpse) and occasionally
> prayed before delivering the killing blow to a monster.

The problem here is 'occasionally'. Every kill should be dedicated
to him, or he'll lose interest in you, and you've seen where that
leads.

> So, is Okawaru a good choice of god for a newbie player?

Yes. He isn't really difficult to impress.

> Why did I lose my religion, did I need to sacrifice more often?

"Okawaru
Okawaru is a dangerous and powerful God of battle. Followers can
gain a number of powers useful in combat as well as various rewards, but
must constantly prove themselves through battle and the sacrifice of
corpses and valuable items."

He means it. Pray when you see a monster approaching that you intend
to kill, and dissect-while-praying everything you don't want to eat.
You can ignore the sacrificing of valuable items, because dragging
them back to an altar, you might lose more piety through the time it
takes than you gain by the offerings...

> If religion generally worthwhile, or is it better to avoid the
> risk of angering your god?

Religion is generally worthwhile (if you want to try without
religion, play a demigod, they can't worship anyone else, anyway),
and angering your god is actually not that easy with most of them.
Just don't neglect them, they're sensitive beings.

Btw, here he got angry because you left him (you lost your
religion), he was no longer your god.

> And finally, how does one offer items other than corpses
> (weapons, etc.)? I couldn't find any key to make such a sacrifice
> and dropping things on the altar didn't have any effect.

Drop the stuff on the altar, then pray.

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Tina Hall wrote:
> [trying out religion with Okawaru]

Thanks to both of you for your suggestions -- if I ever manage to get back
to the temple (grr!) I'll treat my chosen god with greater respect.

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Oenone <noone@nowhere.com> bellowed:
> Tina Hall wrote:

>> [trying out religion with Okawaru]

> Thanks to both of you for your suggestions -- if I ever manage to
> get back to the temple (grr!) I'll treat my chosen god with
> greater respect.

Good luck!

> (O) e n o n e

In truth, I only replied because I finally figured out what book I
read that name before. The 4th in the Hyperion series/saga/?, right?

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Tina Hall wrote:
>> (O) e n o n e
>
> In truth, I only replied because I finally figured out what book I
> read that name before. The 4th in the Hyperion series/saga/?, right?

Heh, actually, no (or at least I don't think so, I haven't read the Hyperion
books -- are they good?).

Oenone is a character (sort of) from Peter F. Hamilton's "Night's Dawn
Trilogy." A great set of books, though (as is so often the case) the first
("The Reality Dysfunction") is the best IMHO.

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In article <1ds%c.733$7O3.620@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Oenone wrote:
> Tina Hall wrote:
>>> (O) e n o n e
>>
>> In truth, I only replied because I finally figured out what book I
>> read that name before. The 4th in the Hyperion series/saga/?, right?
>
> Heh, actually, no (or at least I don't think so, I haven't read the Hyperion
> books -- are they good?).
>
> Oenone is a character (sort of) from Peter F. Hamilton's "Night's Dawn
> Trilogy." A great set of books, though (as is so often the case) the first
> ("The Reality Dysfunction") is the best IMHO.

*sigh* whatever happened to a classical education? (just kidding)

Oenone was a water nymph from greek legend: she was married to Paris (of
Troy fame) before he ran off with Helen. After the war she refused to
heal Paris's wounds because of his betrayal. She had a change of heart
but found he had died in the meantime, and she hanged herself (or threw
herself on his pyre, depending on the tale) out of remorse.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/4152/oenone.html
http://www.theoi.com/Okeanos/Simoeis.htm#Oinone

as far as Peter F. Hamilton goes, my favourite is Fallen Dragon.

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ru

 

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"Oenone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<knM_c.235$6m1.89@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>...

Snip..
>
> So, is Okawaru a good choice of god for a newbie player? Why did I lose my
> religion, did I need to sacrifice more often?
>
> If religion generally worthwhile, or is it better to avoid the risk of
> angering your god?
>
> And finally, how does one offer items other than corpses (weapons, etc.)? I
> couldn't find any key to make such a sacrifice and dropping things on the
> altar didn't have any effect.
>
> My thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer,

In my experience Mahkleb is a much better choice if you want to 'kill
everything that moves'. He does not haste you or make you berserk but
if you are praying when you make a kill and you have sufficient piety
he may (rather often) heal you some and restore some of your power. (I
have seen up to 60 points of damage healed in this manner from one
kill).

 

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"Oenone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<knM_c.235$6m1.89@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>...

>
> If religion generally worthwhile, or is it better to avoid the risk of
> angering your god?
>

Yes, religion if worthwhile You have to sac EVERTHING you don't eat.
I became an avatar of the War God and was spared many killing blows by
my enemies.

 

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ru wrote:
> *sigh* whatever happened to a classical education? (just kidding)



I did actually know Oenone was a character from greek mythology, but didn't
know any of the story about her so thanks for that. I'll follow your links
later for a bit of a read.

> as far as Peter F. Hamilton goes, my favourite is Fallen Dragon.

Good, pleased to see a recommendation for that one, I was hoping it would be
good.

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sculk@hotmail.com (James) wrote:

> "Oenone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:<knM_c.235$6m1.89@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>...

>> So, is Okawaru a good choice of god for a newbie player?
[...]

> In my experience Mahkleb is a much better choice if you want to
> 'kill everything that moves'. He does not haste you or make you
> berserk but if you are praying when you make a kill and you have
> sufficient piety he may (rather often) heal you some and restore
> some of your power. (I have seen up to 60 points of damage healed
> in this manner from one kill).

That's just the frosting on the Makhleb cake. His greater servants
kick serious ass, and his greater destruction isn't shabby either.

On the flip side, Makhleb doesn't do free weapons and armour.

Darshan