BTW RAMBUS OWNS DDR

Guest · Mar 12, 2001

for anyone not knowing, RAMBUS owns most of the patents
on DDR as well as RAMBUS, and that is why seven
of the 10 largest ram companies have signed licensing
agreements to give RAMBUS maoney for every DDR chip sold

some of the things DDR uses such as double data timing was invented by RAMBUS,which has been around for 10 + years

boy I am glad I bought the stock a year ago before this news broke

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only 2 memory companies dispute this, incidently.

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Guest · Mar 12, 2001

I thought that this was more of a general Dram Patents that they own , and as far as I know the companies that have signed these agreements are in bed with Rambus in other ways and could not afford to upset them too much.

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priit · Mar 12, 2001

I have patents for air, fire and water. Now, everybody, PAY ME SOME TAXES !!!

Guest · Mar 12, 2001

NO in fact,
even thought some companies have decided to pay them for reg sdram as RAmbus claims, I believe this is less credible and less important as sdram is going away.

but serveral DDR makers inclduing Mitshubishi, SAMSUNG,
NEC, etc give royalities to RAMBUS for DDR as do chipset makers like VIA

BTW SONY PLAYSTATION 2 uses RAMBUS as well

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Guest · Mar 12, 2001

sorry I am actually an alien and have no use for such articles....

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Guest · Mar 12, 2001

YEs I wish I had them too, but most patent experts
and several memory makers seemed to agree with rambus as they pay them and the experts say the ones that do not will
lose in court on DDR as it is too similiar to rambus

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Guest · Mar 12, 2001

I know that PS2 uses rambus as the P4 uses a rambus interface which is why they didn't upset them too much, I think the P4 would be crippled without Rambus Memory...

BTW they don't own DDR ram they do actually have this patent (I have no reason to disbelieve you ) they own part of it.
Could you post a link or two on the subject cos I am always interested in these battles for ownership....

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Guest · Mar 12, 2001

YEs CNET has some good articles

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HolyGrenade · Mar 12, 2001

I thought they're still fighting over the patents with infineon. Theres also something going on, cos, Rambus claims Richard Crisps, a key witness in the trial was fired in 1996. But he spoke to both dr. tom pabst and reporters from theregister.co.uk last june in the computex show as part of the firm.

Very wierd, or are rambus just losing their memory ;-).

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ksoth · Mar 12, 2001

Rambus also says it owns SDRAM. Rambus is a POS company that does questionable things in the name of business. The only reason why those few companies are even giving royalties is because they know if they don't they'd get sued, so just giving royalties up now would be much cheaper than going though a lawsuit. Sure, there are a few that do give royalties, but most of the biggest aren't yielding to Rambus' weak patent claim and are producing DDR chips royalty free. More than 2 are disputing this. Hyundai, Micron, Infineon, Toshiba, HItachi, and Oki Semiconducter have all either been sued or are being sued by Rambus over DDR royalties. Nest Rambus is gonna want royalties for regular SDRAM.

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Grizely1 · Mar 12, 2001

Well, that must be why sony ps2 sucks so much! (that was a bad move, boy)

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HolyGrenade · Mar 12, 2001

Sony ps2 is moving towards 0.13micron silicon.

Gone are the days when you just baught the console (atari 2600) and a couple of games (50 on one cartridge) and just played until you eyes water.

Now they're gonna be like pc games. The latest ones will probably start slowing down the early ps2's. So, you'll have to upgrade.

BTW. I'm not sure if its got anything to do with this thread.

"2 is not equal to 3, not even for large values of 2"

Grizely1 · Mar 12, 2001

oh well

I HATE ALL CONSOLES, THEY CAN GO TO HELL!!

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ksoth · Mar 12, 2001

Yeah, PS2 uses Rambus and isn't all too great, but XBox is gonna use DDR.

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kurokaze · Mar 12, 2001

Man you are such a fool...

The DRAM standard was only agreed upon in 93, and the initial Rambus patents file in 90 where for RDRAM. Amendments to theit patents in 96 and 97 were for SDRAM and others. Noting that RAMBUS was a JEDEC member for 4 years while this standard was being discussed and failed to disclose any potential patent issues is really doubtful
that RAMBUS is playing fair.

And note that most of the companies that have settles either
a) have secret clauses that probably made it more attractive to pay royalties than fight in court or
b) not big enough to make a difference in the DRAM market.

Did you know that the NEC/Hitachi merger (whats its name) is now looking at re-negotiating their initial settlement with RAMBUS? You obviously do not follow the case closely or are a RAMBUS freak.

I'm sure that you're sooo happy that you bought RAMBUS a year ago when it was over $100/share.. today (Mar 12 2001) its hovering around $37.

ZER0 · Mar 12, 2001

i should hope so its using a p3 700. and we all know rambus is [-peep-] with the p3. but you have to wonder unless its a p3 with a higher fsb then they currently have, why not use sdram?

Guest · Mar 12, 2001

nobody wants to believe it. or pretend that rambus is dirtier than every other company. anytime someone claims that rambus violated the open source standards commity everybody jumps on the bandwagon because they already hate RAMBUS so much and want to believe it to be true. i'll be the first one to change my mind if it is found in a court after all the HARD evidence is examined that RAMBUS violated the agreement. but until that is found, if it is found, they're as clean as every other company (and probably would be otherwise) and deserve the royalties from the other companies. i doubt however that many of you would change your minds if RAMBUS wins the case (i.e. that the others are whiney, cheap, bastards who want a free ride on something they didn't create.... j/k). There is no need to get bent over it really. we'll find out soon enough.

Guest · Mar 12, 2001

ahh yeah you managed to mistate several things,

you are spewing accusations that have been alledged by the other side in articles etc, I had converstations with rambus back in 94\95 and I saw their patents etc and they
have grreat claims to DDR, back then as they do now..

as far as they stock, bright boy, you forget the stock SPLIT 4 for 1 so my costpost split is $15, I bought it at $60 pre split

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HolyGrenade · Mar 12, 2001

Just Shut your hole man! you've been banned as fugger and now your back.

"2 is not equal to 3, not even for large values of 2"

Guest · Mar 12, 2001

not true
8 of the biggest ram makers in the world have signed contracts submitting to rambus patents

only infinieon, and Micron have not..
Hitachi and Toshiba have to some degree partnered with rambus as well

the remaining will likely win on sdram but lose on DDR
so they will pay rambus..
rambus was around in the early 90's I saw and played with it then, DDR was not and the patend was there for data doubling and its rambus's there is no disputing that..

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kurokaze · Mar 12, 2001

Clarifications.. Clarifications..

1) Like I said, the amendments in 96/97 to their 90 patent app made it seem like they owned the patents since 90. The case itself might hinge upon exactly what thet 1990 patent covered. Ask yourself logically, if the rest of the DRAM industry didn't ratify the SDRAM standard until 93, then how can RAMBUS a then yet unknown fledging of a company get the specifics of SDRAM so precise as to cover SDRAM and DDR as well?
2) Yes I have taken that split into account! Otherwise a year ago it would have been about $400! (which btw, I've
taken put options on the stock)

Cheers

BTW RAMBUS OWNS DDR

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