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July 23, 2011 1:26:56 PM

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Obama-Set-to-Me...

If the Republican's can't strike a deal then the President should be able to lock them up for trying to wreck the economy ... and pass the bill he wants.

If you guys can't sort this out by August the 2nd it might wreck the fragile balance of the remaining world financial structures ... this is what your federal reserve are saying ... not me.

If the opposition party are trying to deliberately block legislation which would otherwise have a huge effect on the coutry itself ... then this should be seen as terrorism ... pure and simple.

The rest of the world are waiting for the US to sort out it's budget ... so sort it.

Jail the Republicans ... then pass the bill.

Discuss ...
July 23, 2011 2:02:49 PM

For months, the liberal media has been touting Moody etc will degrade the US if we dont come up with the money.
The Dem liberals have touted the same wording, problem is, they omitted the rest of what they (Moody) has been saying all along
Now, get this right right here
The rest, the words the media and the dem liberals omitted are this:
The US has to reduce spending, not raise taxes and meet current debt, but to reduce spending
The media and the dems just wanted to lie to eveyone all this time and pretend its a taxation problem.
Theres no doubt on this, and shame anyone who says different, as theyre liars or doesnt know the facts.
So, I repeat, if the US doesnt lower spending by 4 trillion dollars, we get downgraded, and NO taxation will change this.
But, by reading what they want you to hear, and only writing what they want you to read, theyve been traitors to us all
July 23, 2011 2:12:31 PM

This relatively upbeat view is based on a number of different perspectives, but most important is the economy’s quickly improving balance sheet. In the aggregate, businesses are in very good financial health, households are rapidly deleveraging, and the financial system is now well capitalized. The most serious threat to this script is the federal government’s rising debt load. To realize our optimistic forecast, policymakers need to reduce future government spending and increase revenue. We expect they will in a reasonably timely way.

http://www.economy.com/dismal/article_free.asp?cid=1997...
So, whats the most serious threat?
By lying and protecting the most serious threat, our dem leaders are a major threat themselves

PS Including their cronies, the liberal media
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July 23, 2011 5:02:09 PM

Rey, both Libs and Cons are not wanting to work. That is the shyte they give the American people. It is a disgrace. The whole world economy relies on us...even powerful china. If we fall, they fall...so will Australia.
July 24, 2011 1:05:51 PM

Who said this:
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure."
Congressman Barack Obama, IL-D, 2006.

If it was bad then, why is it a good idea now?

Hey, reynod. I have a question for you. What if we did raise the debt limit. What happens next time?

Fiscal responsibility; if not now, when?
July 24, 2011 2:23:41 PM

I agree not to raise the debt limit but to impose some harsher taxes instead, and to cut back on aid programs to other countries and have a strong internal focus for the short term.

Impose protective tariffs to stimulate manufacturing in the US etc ... see my post in the other thread.

The fact that the congress can't find a solution means something needs to be done immediately ...

What you do and how is difficult ... I only used an inflammatory title in the thread so people would take a stance and post something.

I am not some liberal "save the whales" squeegee either ... lol.
July 24, 2011 3:08:37 PM

The reality is, raising taxes on those of that stature only means higher costs of product for all of us, and in fairness, that impacts the poorer of us to a larger degree
July 24, 2011 3:41:01 PM

When I had to take the mandatory US History & Gov't classes during my undgrad days (which I satisfied in summer school at Georgetown University, here in Washington DC), the idea of taxing the wealthy at a higher percentage of income than the poor was called a "progressive" tax. That struck me as quite the misnomer (and wrong) at the time - why penalize the wealthy for being wealthy?

I'd be for a flat, but universal, tax rate so that corporations like GE can't get away with paying zero income tax, but not so onerous as to drive them offshore. And I'd agree with a tariff on most imports as well, to the same degree as if the company selling or importing them were a US company paying income tax. That would put a damper on China, Inc. which essentially does just what I suggested above..
July 24, 2011 5:28:38 PM

July 25, 2011 12:39:23 AM

Reynod said:
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Obama-Set-to-Me...

If the Republican's can't strike a deal then the President should be able to lock them up for trying to wreck the economy ... and pass the bill he wants.


Not quite. The Founders of the U.S. specifically wanted to prevent there from being a king and worded the Constitution to prevent one from occurring. Not only can Congressmen generally not be jailed, Congress has to pass legislation before the President can choose whether or not to sign it into law. No President can either lock up Congressmen nor pass legislation completely by himself. He can write executive orders, but they are limited in scope and cannot be spending bills as only the House of Representatives can submit spending bills.

Anyway, if the President could lock up other politicians for "wrecking the economy," the jails would be overcrowded as Republican presidents would lock up Democrats and vice-versa.

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If you guys can't sort this out by August the 2nd it might wreck the fragile balance of the remaining world financial structures ... this is what your federal reserve are saying ... not me.

If the opposition party are trying to deliberately block legislation which would otherwise have a huge effect on the coutry itself ... then this should be seen as terrorism ... pure and simple.

The rest of the world are waiting for the US to sort out it's budget ... so sort it.

Jail the Republicans ... then pass the bill.

Discuss ...


Both parties are playing "chicken" and resorting to brinkmanship to gain an edge in negotiations. That's the way that every single time-sensitive bill has been passed in the past quite a few years. Look at what happened earlier this year when the debt debate- it was nothing but a game of "who will blink first" because the first group to give in has to make concessions and "loses."

Truth to be told, jail nearly ALL of them. The Democrats got us into this mess with their massive welfare state programs, and the Republicans don't stick to their guns and try to get us out of the mess because it is politically unpopular to stop the "free government money" checks to people. We're screwed either way. The only people who really seem to have the stones to get us out of the mess are the Libertarian-leaning folks like the Pauls and they get massacred in any sort of a general primary/election as being "too far out there." We'll see just how far out there the Libertarians are when the U.S. turns into Greece due to the inaction of the two major parties to stop the incessant spending.
July 25, 2011 3:56:26 AM

Reynod said:
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Obama-Set-to-Me...

If the Republican's can't strike a deal then the President should be able to lock them up for trying to wreck the economy ... and pass the bill he wants.

If you guys can't sort this out by August the 2nd it might wreck the fragile balance of the remaining world financial structures ... this is what your federal reserve are saying ... not me.

If the opposition party are trying to deliberately block legislation which would otherwise have a huge effect on the coutry itself ... then this should be seen as terrorism ... pure and simple.

The rest of the world are waiting for the US to sort out it's budget ... so sort it.

Jail the Republicans ... then pass the bill.

Discuss ...


Great title for the thread. Fight fire with fire.
July 25, 2011 10:03:10 AM

I am the master of sensationalism without content ... like the gun you drop that just goes off with the bounce ... a loose cannon.

I aim to get lots of reads ... nothing more.

Like badge I am unafraid of harsh reality ... who needs it anyway?

This is not one of those lost puppy dog stories though ... the puppy was found / rescued from the swamp / saved from the clutches of a starving lion.

I don't know if this story will have a nice ending ... but I hope so.

I was going to start a US aid program by sending the Federal Reserve $50.

badge ... can you match my $50 bud?



July 25, 2011 10:04:26 AM

^ I can match 500.
July 25, 2011 12:10:14 PM

Raising the the tax rate at any level above 18% is futile and does more harm than good.

[/economics 101]
July 25, 2011 12:57:03 PM

Yeah then lets just set taxes to 0.

Low taxes = $$$$
Zero Taxes = THE MOST MONEY EVER!!!

Obama should abolish the Debt Ceiling altogether so the repubs cant keep on fighting this subject for the next 2 years while we get nothing done. Then increase taxes. We need revenue coming in.

It like your deadbeat roommate insisting on taking fewer showers to lower the water bill instead of finding a job.
July 25, 2011 1:38:34 PM

Welcome MU ...

Raising the debt ceiling is like adding more cache to increase a CPU's IPC ...

Would you like to explain the parallel there?



July 25, 2011 4:45:04 PM
July 25, 2011 11:13:45 PM

Reynod said:
Welcome MU ...

Raising the debt ceiling is like adding more cache to increase a CPU's IPC ...

Would you like to explain the parallel there?


Probably the best analogy in computing to the debt problem is Intel raising their TDP ceiling on the i915/925 platforms to 1000 watts so they can clock Prescotts higher in an effort to raise performance. The real problem is that the fundamental architecture sucks, not that the CPUs were "constrained" by the self-imposed TDP limit. Congress could raise the debt ceiling to 1x10^1000 dollars and this would "fix" the problem on paper forever, but the real issue is not solved. The real issue is that the government is spending way too much in relation to how much money the country makes. The government will eventually get to the point where nobody else will lend them money and the government will screech to a halt due to a lack of money, despite being nowhere near the "debt ceiling."
July 25, 2011 11:22:00 PM

The US economy is meant to fail
I think it is intended
Do realize that the Federal Reserve is not actually part of US government
instead controlled by world banks

there is already the Euro and the Asian equilavent (cant remember name)

now there is the Amero
the North/South american currency

if the US dollar is viable and strong
then there is no way to bring in the Amero to replace it

so the dollar has to fall

when we are bringing suitcases of paper money to the store to buy groceries
then the progressive government (or should I say One World goverment)
will hold up the Amero as our saviour fo the economy

One World government cannot happen if the US is strong
so it has been weakened
July 26, 2011 1:29:33 AM

^ Orwellian conspiracy?
July 26, 2011 1:35:02 AM

No, its been said for decades tho
July 26, 2011 2:29:05 AM

and happening now
July 26, 2011 2:31:39 AM

"When the government is big enough to take care of all your needs
then the government is big enough to take away all of your rights"
paraphrase Thomas Jefferson

"A socialist healthcare run by the government is the greatest way
to take away all of your rights"
Ronald Reagan paraphrased from radio speech
July 26, 2011 2:31:42 AM

I should consider writing a dystopian novel...three parts.
July 26, 2011 2:32:32 AM

king smp said:
"When the government is big enough to take care of all your needs
then the government is big enough to take away all of your rights"
paraphrase Thomas Jefferson

"A socialist healthcare run by the government is the greatest way
to take away all of your rights"
Ronald Reagan paraphrased from radio speech


Got any ideas how to make medical/healthcare cheaper then?
July 26, 2011 2:39:21 AM

dogman_1234 said:
Got any ideas how to make medical/healthcare cheaper then?



sure take away anchor babies (babies born to illegal aliens-the are considered US citizens)
the burden that illegal aliens place on our healthcare,school and welfare system is amazing
we had to go on foodstamps a while back and the whole office was immigrants most of whom
were probably illegal

with an anchor baby an illegal get can free school,foodstamps,welfare,healthcare and also work off of the books
not paying any income or property taxes

if the Illegals were taken out of the picture their would plenty of money in the system of US Citizens who need it



also make marijuana legal so our farmers can grow it and we can tax

just another version of prohibition gone wrong

making drugs illegal created the drug cartels and street gangs


also why is gambling only ok in certain areas like AC and Vegas
only because the government can control and tax it

also prostitution is legal in some areas like Reno
but not okay anywhere else

how moronic to make laws against the "oldest profession"
cant stop it
July 26, 2011 2:50:28 AM

Not that I agree with any of this, but using some peoples ideology, theyre going to do it anyways....
July 26, 2011 2:59:28 AM



they tried banning alcohol and essentially made the Mafia a huge organization in the process

you cant legislate against the people's will unless you are a military dictatorship
who is willing to commit genocide to enforce it


July 26, 2011 3:02:01 AM

king smp said:
"When the government is big enough to take care of all your needs
then the government is big enough to take away all of your rights"
paraphrase Thomas Jefferson

"A socialist healthcare run by the government is the greatest way
to take away all of your rights"
Ronald Reagan paraphrased from radio speech



You have heard of canada and most of europe right ?
July 26, 2011 3:04:36 AM

Looking at the riots in England and Greece....
You make promises you cant keep, people get riled.
You keep making more and more and more promises, and cant keep them, alot of people get riled
July 26, 2011 4:32:22 AM

^ And if you continue to make those 'promises'...a revolution.
July 26, 2011 12:36:54 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3278503.htm

Obama made a speech and our Aussie dollar rose a cent in a day ... to $1.09.

Kiss goodbye to your AAA rating I guess ... watch it go by next Tuesday at this rate.

Everyone is ditching the US dollar by the minute.

The flip side is it will be good for US manufacturers after next week ... your a heap more competitive I guess.
July 26, 2011 12:54:17 PM

dogman_1234 said:
Got any ideas how to make medical/healthcare cheaper then?


Here are a few ways:

1. Pay cash up front for everything. That eliminates the overhead of insurance (even a non-profit insurer- and a lot of them are non-profit- has significant overhead) and the overhead of the doctor/hospital billing the insurance company. If you go to a doctor's office and offer to pay with cash, the quoted price compared to what they'd bill an insurance company will likely be significantly less- figure at least 20-30% less.

2. Repeal EMTALA and make people either provide proof of insurance or put down a few thousand dollar deposit before they can be seen in an emergency room for anything except Class I and II traumas or somebody the police/EMS brings in for evaluation. This is the way many other countries handle emergency medicine and it would stop people coming to the ED for non-emergencies and for problems that should be taken care of in a doctor's office or urgent-care clinic. Providing care in the ED is extremely expensive compared to providing it in a doctor's office or urgent care clinic. People very often come to the ED because doctors' offices require copays and urgent care generally requires cash up front, whereas EMTALA mandates that people be seen in the ED with no cash up front. They then ignore the ED bills later since they don't have to pay them to be seen again in the future. The unpaid costs get passed onto everybody else.

3. Repeal Medicare and Medicaid. They set reimbursement schedules that make it impossible for a doctor's office or hospital to stay open unless they charge everybody else massive amounts of money to make up for the losses in seeing those patients. They also reimburse different types of doctors differently and have pole-axed primary care as a result, while increasing the number of specialists by a large number. It is far more expensive and less effective to get medical care from a bunch of different specialists than your primary doc. Also, Medicare and Medicaid cause huge cost overheads due to highly complex regulatory compliance and billing procedures. There are too many Medicare patients to refuse to see any of them in most cases (considering everybody over 65 is on Medicare), but clinics sure do try to limit the number. Many very severely limit the number of Medicaid patients they see since you essentially are providing free care to them due to the extremely low payments Medicaid gives to physicians.

4. Health insurance should be catastrophic only instead of covering everything and the kitchen sink with little or no copay. Current health insurance as mandated by Obamacare is the equivalent of car insurance that covers oil changes and new tires. Covering well-known costs that WILL occur is extremely expensive and is a large reason why health insurance is so expensive. Insurance is supposed to cover unexpected events, like a car crash, house fire, or you getting hit by a bus while crossing the street. It's not supposed to cover known, routine costs.

This is just a start, but essentially anything that returns medicine to only being between the doctor and patient is what needs to happen. The government and third parties are a largely needless extra added expense. I do know that some of those suggestions I made will be absolutely hated, but it is undeniable that they would result in reduced costs overall.
July 26, 2011 3:17:16 PM

king smp said:

how moronic to make laws against the "oldest profession"
cant stop it

That is the world's second oldest profession.

The world's oldest profession is apple picking. :D 
July 26, 2011 5:22:49 PM

Reynod said:
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3278503.htm

Obama made a speech and our Aussie dollar rose a cent in a day ... to $1.09.

Kiss goodbye to your AAA rating I guess ... watch it go by next Tuesday at this rate.

Everyone is ditching the US dollar by the minute.

The flip side is it will be good for US manufacturers after next week ... your a heap more competitive I guess.


We will also get more bitchier that our guys screwed us in the end as week...
July 27, 2011 4:27:55 AM

jsc said:
That is the world's second oldest profession.

The world's oldest profession is apple picking. :D 



greatest. quote. ever.
July 27, 2011 4:30:36 AM

I 100 percent agree
though the argument for snake charming could be made :) 
July 27, 2011 5:59:12 AM

king smp said:
I 100 percent agree
though the argument for snake charming could be made :) 

Same thing isn't it ?
July 27, 2011 6:09:38 AM

Yea I like the apple pick joke better myself

but to me one of the biggest problems in the US
is legislating against the people's will

why not a truly democratic society
(we really have a republic and not a democracy-since we representatives that vote for us and the electoral college that votes the president in)

we could have registered voters voting on computers on major legislations
rignt now we get a couple of bills to vote on
why not all registered voters using a central server to tally votes for bills?

why not a majority peoples vote for President?

why not registered voters being picked randomly to hold government political positions

kind of a draft for government office

would just need basic requirements like HS diploma and clean criminal record

just throwing out ideas

feel free to shred them :) 
July 27, 2011 6:19:38 AM

Stop calling people terrorists. Nobody's a terrorist! (Except for those obvious folks blowing themselves up, but they're rare).

The problem is that both the Republicans and Democrats are much more interested in being in power than actually governing. The Constitution needs some Amendments that actually require congress to accomplish tasks and outlaws filibusters.

Filibusters only exist so that a minority that disagrees can stop a vote--what's the point of that. If the majority of Americans want a vote one way, they should be able to make that mistake (mistake in the eyes of minorities). There's a whole lot wrong with the U.S. and we're not on the way to fixing it. I guess that's okay...it'll just be like the late 70's again when tons of people can't find work, crimes and gang violence will spiral out of control, and then we'll need a second tech boom to save the economy...well, here's hoping for a second tech boom.

I'm so pessimistic...but there's never any reason to think the government is improving. What happened to guys like Kissinger and Ben Stein leading the Republicans? Now we've got Michelle Bachman leading the Republicans. Instead of the greatest thinkers, we've got people who can't think.
July 27, 2011 6:36:45 AM

king smp said:
Yea I like the apple pick joke better myself

but to me one of the biggest problems in the US
is legislating against the people's will

why not a truly democratic society
(we really have a republic and not a democracy-since we representatives that vote for us and the electoral college that votes the president in)

we could have registered voters voting on computers on major legislations
rignt now we get a couple of bills to vote on
why not all registered voters using a central server to tally votes for bills?

why not a majority peoples vote for President?

why not registered voters being picked randomly to hold government political positions

kind of a draft for government office

would just need basic requirements like HS diploma and clean criminal record

just throwing out ideas

feel free to shred them :) 


That could lead to fascism or totalitarian regime by the use of corrupt political leader. Make commuters vote the same corrupt guy in ever time. Unless, you get GLaDOS to do it. Make them run in a test lab to see if they are fit to run,( no pun intended.)
July 27, 2011 6:47:00 AM

I dont agree
Use a system like they use for jury duty
a random selection of registered voters placed in office for a
one term limit run

just like a military draft or jury duty selection
random selection of US citizens as political leaders
not voted on
selected by random computer selection of qualified US citizens
July 27, 2011 6:51:12 AM

^and I say corrupt the computer to get the same guy in.
July 27, 2011 7:06:09 AM

Okay and the voting booths in Florida and Pennsylvania werent rigged for
Bush's election in 2004?

funny how his brothers state had so many problems with voting booths
also how many illegals have voted in elections especially the last one in 2008?

BTW the I cant stand Bush Jr or Obama

both of them arrogant punks who had their own agenda for this country instead of what is good for us

Republicans and Democratics parties are like a double ended dildo sex toy

July 27, 2011 7:12:50 AM

dogman_1234 said:
^and I say corrupt the computer to get the same guy in.
You're implying that it would somehow be more corrupt than our current two headed dictatorship? Republican Party and Democratic Party and no one else for 150 years. And it's essentially against the law for anything else to happen and impossible to gain power if you want to change it.
July 27, 2011 7:50:55 AM

king smp said:

BTW the I cant stand Bush Jr or Obama

both of them arrogant punks who had their own agenda for this country instead of what is good for us

Republicans and Democratics parties are like a double ended dildo sex toy

C'mon--Obama's a lot better than Bush Jr. He at least isn't going to preemptively invade North Korea while we're already engaged in another war. That takes a special kind of stupid. Also, he has his own voice instead of just listening to what his Dad's friends tell him (of course, he doesn't know his Dad to well...).

But I'd have to say you're being unfair to the double ended dildo sex toy. There are a lot of people that enjoy those toys and I have to say those toys do a lot of dirty work for someone else's benefit. The Republican and Democratic Parties (not the people as much) are only out for themselves.
July 27, 2011 7:59:40 AM

Obama just does does what George Soros and his buddies want him to do

Cmon it's not like Chicago politics is known for corruption is it?
July 27, 2011 8:01:21 AM

dalauder said:
C'mon--Obama's a lot better than Bush Jr. He at least isn't going to preemptively invade North Korea while we're already engaged in another war. That takes a special kind of stupid. Also, he has his own voice instead of just listening to what his Dad's friends tell him (of course, he doesn't know his Dad to well...).

But I'd have to say you're being unfair to the double ended dildo sex toy. There are a lot of people that enjoy those toys and I have to say those toys do a lot of dirty work for someone else's benefit. The Republican and Democratic Parties (not the people as much) are only out for themselves.


EDIT- My apologies
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