P4 OVRCLK to 1.8GHZ

[Guest]

for all who are interested there is a really cool
article on overclocking P4 to 1.8+ ghz on sharkey's page at

http://www.theneteconomy.com/ext.asp?url=http://www.sharkeyextreme.com/hardware/weekly_cpu/5.shtml

really insane performance especially in memory bandwidth

its running a 600 mhz memory bus with 900mhz rambus frequency which you can tirbo charge in the asus P4t

quake ran at 260 FPS !!! almost 100 fps faster than AMD 1.2

fun stuff enjoy
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[priit]

Who cares about Quake3, I'll bet Tom's overclocked 1.6Ghz T-bird would kick the sh*t out of that 1.8Ghz P4 pretty much everywhere else. And PLEASE don't tell me that Sharky isn't kissing Intel's arse, if you don't see that you really have to do that yourself. What's the point whining about "misleading benchmarks" that shows P4 in bad light: if it's only legal to run stuff that has fully optimised to SSE2 on P4, I'll better go with Mac or SUN anyway (better overall performance and application support, no empty claims about future performance, scalability, SMP and so on

 

[Guest]

<Opens Sandra 2001>Runs CPU Speed test
ALU: 3358

Hmm well it's nice to know my Athlon 1.2Ghz with SDRAM PC133 beats a 1.7Ghz P4

<runs Multimedia Mark> Amm
Integer: 6744

Damn look at that it beat a 1.6Ghz there... Hmm

[-peep-] i forgot to turn the winamp off... dang nabit. Ahh well. AMm considering the P4 is running Ooo 600Mhz FSB not 266 like me, it's running 900Mhz Ram, not 133 like me... Hold on, i havent found a good point of a p4 yet?

Ohh yes When it's overclocked to 1.8Ghz it beats a 1.2Ghz Athlon... wait Hold on... ALU thats arithmetic logic Unit isent it? and amm Integer, thats like... amm isent that what Intel is supposed to be good at? and the 1.7Ghz cpu lost to a measly 1.2Ghz with the Motherboard and Ram speeds like 2ce as slow.

Well then... i guess that sais allot for Intel. Ooo did i forget to mention 1.2Ghz CPU form AMD is actually out officually and they had to overclock the 1.5Ghz P4 to beat it. Dose that mean intel dosen't have the fastest CPU?

no no that can't be right? Intel Must have some sort of strategy? Ohh but offcorse lets charge everyone $1000 US for the CPU, 600 for the Motherboard, and abouther 1000 for the ram

yes thats it everyone is going to get a p4 now arent they,

<nods his head> offcorse they will? arent they?

<caugh>

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[spud]

Um who cares how quake 3 runs that game sucks any hardcore gamer knows that unreal tournament is the manly man game and if i could get a SPARC 3 to run it on i would be the manly man of the gamer world. Cause we all we wanna be manly man... men

SPUD

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[Guest]

lol! I love reading this stuff, c'mon cyberimage, where's your retort? I need to be entertained...

 

[Guest]

<<<Who cares about Quake3, I'll bet Tom's overclocked 1.6Ghz T-bird would kick the sh*t out of that 1.8Ghz P4 pretty much everywhere else.>>>

umm toms(paid slave of amd) athlon was cooled by a vapochill not by a retail heatsink and fan

<<<And PLEASE don't tell me that Sharky isn't kissing Intel's arse, if you don't see that you really have to do that yourself.>>>

i don't believe sharky gets a CHECK from intel like TOM does from amd.

both processors are way to powerfull for conventional software and only time will tell which one shines on future processor intensive apps. sandra scores and winmarks don't mean [-peep-] in real life.

 

[Guest]

Whats this about a check from AMD? I mean its obvious that Tom prefers AMD but he states his reasons clearly. You actually think AMD is paying him eh?

 

[Grizely1]

Yes, he does, unfortunately. All the Pro-Intel people were so used to hearing good things about Intel, now that bad things are starting to be said they're in a state of "denial".

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[Guest]

umm, so what are they paying him to do? diss intel? I could do that, do I get a check?

Old addage: "Users never prosper" ) Long live the tweakers

 

[Crashman]

The thing that both AMD and Intel puppies don't understand-IT DOESN"T MATTER! For the Intel puppies, they have not realized the reality that this chip is a flash in the pan. The AMD guys just can't get over themselves with benchmarks that beet it. it doesn't matter to us sane folk that the whether it's better or worse than the T-Bird, simply because it is a flash in the pan. Maybe this stuf will be improtant when the NEXT generation of P4 is out, by then the next generation of Athlon will probably be around the corner. Right now the only systems that are relavent to sane folk are the PIII, T-bird, and Duron. BTW even if the current P4 were to stick around a while, I would still be disappointed because Intel cut so much out of it. They should have skipped this generation and came out with the next one early. They should have fixed the PIII to make it go faster and milked it a few more months until the next P4 was ready. They are certainly showing that they do not care about their high-end users.

Suicide is painless...........

 

[Guest]

actually, the truth is,
the P4 is a ground up new CPY cased on P7 core,
and is as different as the P6 was from the P5.
it is the most advanced high performance CPU in the world
with exception of ITANIUM..

the P4 has had nothing CUT OUT of it, and NORTHWOOD,
the future version of P4 next in DEC, will only be slightly
different, in terms on line width .13 micron,
and voltage, and have 512k of more advanced cache,
and some revisions of the cache and lookup tables..
but is will be 98% the same core..
it may or may not have SSE 3....
the P7 core on P4 is slated for at least 5 GHZ !

evenyone thinks mistakenly the P4 is a souped up P3, but they could not be farther from the truth..
this CPU has been in development since after P6, when it was realized that P6 architecture could only achieve about 1.2 ghz...

the Athlon and Palimino suffer from the same dimishing returns as P3\P6 core did and will have to be revamped totally to get past 1.8ghz..

the AMD being on a larger die, suffers from extreme heat problems, a more fragile core, and high power comsumption,
almost same as P4.
also the Athalon has a much less successful yield per waffer
( IE many more are unuseable or under spec ) at manufacturing.

the PEntium 4 has by far the best Yields of a first run CPU in INTEL's history any anyones for that matter, and since it is smaller, and intel using 300mm waffers can get many more CPU's that are up to spec per waffer, thus the cost can be really cheap and will be very soon..

I understand INTEL's cost on the P4 is extremely low, less than Althlon margin.
so the P4 is THE NEXT GENERATION and LIKE P6 will remain a
BASIC CORE TECHNOLOGY that will go minor to moderate revisions to cache, speed, materials like copper,
pinout, additional instructions but not architecture, where it is plenty advanced..
there are alot of bogus rumors out there on web pages about P4 being transitory and such, and they simply are not true,
I know some INTEL senior engineers, and talk to them regularly and also to board engineers at ASUS , SUPERMICRO
etc and have seen a mockup of the 473 pin new socket,
and besides that an a few bios changes, and voltages differences the boards and CPU's are largely similiar.

MHZ will start at 2 ghz with 512k cache likely, and SMP support will be there as well.

I hope you find this useful and interesting
take it easy
best
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[HolyGrenade]

Next you're gonna try to tell me the ITANIC is actually a good cpu!!!! LOL!



<i><b><font color=red>"2 is not equal to 3, not even for large values of 2"</font color=red></b></i>

 

[Guest]

I do not know how many SUN sparc or 10-30 machines you have tested, but I can tell you for a fact, that the PEntium 4 wwails on them, look at the spec mark of the SUN vs Pentium 4, the P4's 550 score is awesome, even faster than alpha.

and some of our servers with 64 bit 66 mhz PCI slots
with 4 channel RAID 5 and Ultra 160 crush IO throughput of most SUN servers except Starfire which is $250000

the sparcs do nto scale as well as Xeon, Xeon is at 1 GHZ,
can have 4 megs L2 cache per CPU in a 8-64 CPU machine,
that can address 64 GIG RAM, and 16,000 Terabytes in WIN 2000.
Itanium INTEL's 64 bit CPU , can scale to 500+ CPu's
addressing in 64 bit real memory space and up to 8 meg L2 cache with NUMA cross architecture that even rivals
SUN STARFIRES..

we just built 2 x 8 CPU XEON system for a client with up to 16 GIG ram, and 2 terabytes fiber channel storage on a san system clustered for total redundency ,

I.E. 2 servers, each with 2 400 MB FC cards, 2 GIGA ETHERNET cards,
2 Gadzooks FC SAN switches, and 2 RAID 5 towers,
all interconnected so if any part fails the other takes over,
but yet both add to each other power normally.
and that was for a 1\3 of the price of a comparable SUN server that is not comparable in my opinion.

sorry but I hate sun grin, but you get the idea,
scott macneally is a legend in his own mind as far as most are concern and his OS does not compare to Windows 2000
Advanced server or Datacenter..
all the worlds TPC and transaction records for database
IO are held by WINTEL machines, and they have teh fastest web performance as well.

thought you may find this intersting
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[Guest]

the ITANUIM is a good CPU, I went to INTEl to see a demo of it, and was blown away, the more things they thre at it that would choke SUN, ALPHA, or even Xeon, this thing ketp going.

incidently the P4 has the basic bus from Itanium, at 400 mhz, and some of the technology, though more is to follow.
the damn thing with 4 megs cache is $4700 just for the CPU though..
OUCH..
we will be building 4-16 CPU Itanium boxes when they arrive
hopefully 3qtr.

it is only 800 mhz initially, but that is deceptive,
as it moves huge chunks of data with ease, and it
will scale to 1.5 soon after the introduction.
the Itanium was build for data wherehousing and large
database work like for WALMART to run all of its computer off of, for price and real time inventory, and B to B
web commerce etc, where thousands of people are hammering the server with large requests..

long story short it is a amazing CPU whose architecture will end up in most desktop CPU including AMD's in a few years..

good talking with ya
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[yoda271828]

the P4 has had nothing CUT OUT of it

Oh really? That statement just goes to show how much you really do (or in this case, don't) know.
<A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/15481.html" target="_new">Pentium 4 castrated to keep costs down</A>
<A HREF="http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20001213S0045" target="_new">Intel muted ambitious Pentium 4 design</A>

If the Northwood is built the way Intel originally designed the P4 it will truly be an awesome processor, but the crippled williamette is a waste of silicon.

 

[FUGGER]

Cyberimage, These AMD lemmings are clueless to SMP, so your wasting your breath here.

As far as NUMA (nonuniform memory architecture), its been around for awhile, currently NUMA3. AMD lemmings are clueless about this too so its a waste to even go into it.

Only thing AMD lemmings care about is what THG posted yesterday in P4 another recount.

So unless you post pro AMD your gonna get jacked by a bunch of lemmings every time chiming in with the same old crap like clockwork.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

No kidding.

I wish we could just advance time a year forward. Then we could see just how the next gen chips made by AMD and Intel really pan out.

But it is annoying how AMD lemmings and Intel lemmings won't leave each other alone to post their conversations.

I mean an interesting Intel post gets started and people get into a discussion, and soon some AMD lemming comes along and creates an argument over who is better and the interesting discussion gets lost. And the same happens to AMD posts.

Can't we just stop the debates over who is better and just discuss the specific advantages of either system instead?

- Sanity is purely based on point-of-view.

 

[Guest]

hi
you misread the article,
everything CPU whetherAthlon, or PEntium goes through
the first paper stages as "WHAT CAN WE CRAM IN IT"
same as cars and planes.

engineering works like this..
THEN, after they hand the ideas to materials engineers,
Line production engineers, MB experts, MB companies,
etc, they get feedback on what can and should NOT be done..

practically every piece or hardware does this including geforece 2 and 3..

this happens way before ENGINEERING SAMPLES are made,
it is kinda a imagination throw out ideas kind thing,
I have taken part in some of these at companies as a consultant, and I had some damn good ideas that were tossed
and some that were used..

but once there is a mockup and engineering sample
they stuck to the design, and it is still awesome..

sometimes due to size or power constraints you have to wait until technology from APPLIED MATERIALS , NOVELLUS,
etc catch up and are able to actually do things...

when they are, then INTEL implements them ..
it is not a unilateral " INTEL DECISION" somethings
cannot be done yet

hope that clairify's my statement that INTEL cut nothing out
of P4 , AFTER MOCK ENGINEERING SAMPLE. that is ,
thanks for the article though interesting

best
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[Guest]

Like, I've been reading up on the amazing P4 and dancing blue men and stuff, and like, I've figured out that you sell these like amazing machines and you like talk em up and stuff...

Then you say things like:

>hope that clairify's my statement that INTEL cut nothing out of P4<

And like, I figured out that you forgot that Intel cut out like one little thing from the P4...

Performance!

If I buy an awesome P4 machine from your website, do you send complementary dancing blue men and stuff? So like I can tell how fast it is?

 

[Guest]

LIKE,

THE P4 does not lag in performance, expecially when using optimized code..

LIKE most people talk shi* about it who have never seen or tested or used one.
LIEK we sell P3's and some AMD's are well so I am not biased
from a sales standpoint,
but after testing all of them and seeing the quality,
like a 12v 400 w power supply with 3 seperate power leads,
one for CPU , one for MB and one reserve for PCI slots

LIKE you can see there is a whole different quality level with P4..

)
Yes the Dancing BLue men are including, for real, but as an
animation of the deskptop )

you can tell how fast a P4 is by using the correct test that stress a reg P3 and AMD to the point they become saturated in their memory bus, throughput to cache and memory, and FPU with SSE 2 optimized software and Windows
ME and dd3d 8.
the FPU unit on P4 operates at 2 times the speed of athalon or P3 , at 3 GHZ.
with dd3d 8a you can see a 30% gain on P4 where same system
tested with dd3d7 like some lame sites do is alot slower as it uses sse 1 , which P4 does not understand as well.

hope that is informative

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[Kelledin]

And to add to that...

<A HREF="http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm" target="_new">http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm</A>

Don't get me wrong, it's got potential...but it IS a gelding at this point. I keep hearing people who have sold their souls to Intel marketese, and it's quite entertaining

Must leave now, i just got seven more hard drives in--hello, RAID10!

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[Guest]

You are right,
we post too much knowledge for them to digest..
all they understand is AMD, overclock, and VIA..

when we say things like SMP, NUMA, pipelines,
concurrency, rambus, etc etc it sounds like

"AMD sucks" to them and starts a fight, when all we are doing is providing conclusive proof that the INTEL CPU outperform due to many factors that are not taken into account..

"good answer
I like you.. I gonna keep my eye on you"
(Fugger)
from SAM Kinison in back to school !!

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[Guest]

P.S.
nice to meet you
I have heard so much about you..
seems everyone thought I was you under a different name

5 people said so..read all about it

must be we and SPUD are some of the few with true answers
so we all sound similiar and get alot of [-peep-] for it

talk to you soon
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[dhlucke]

I'd like to consider myself a non-lemming. However, Cyber you seem to bring up some excellent info but you then go on to compare intel only to intel. You also love to report the performance of the P4 w/ respect to optimized code that isn't being used.

I'm not so interested in the "what if's" though. I want to know how the P4 is going to react to today's as well as tommorrow's apps. I don't think there is a single (ok, there are some serious lemmings) person who would dismiss the P4's potential. However, in today's market it really failed. It's overpriced and it's bus was cut in half. The code isn't being used yet, and it just lags in most sandra benchmarks I've seen. The memory is expensive and, yes, the commercials are getting annoying

Sure we can wait and see, and we can speculate, and we can wish and we can...

But what is the P4 worth today? The 1.2 Ghz T-bird is a better processor right now imop based on the stats I have seen. The next p4 and the itanium will surely be impressive, but AMD will have their own cpu to compete. Maybe my tune will change then, but right now I'm not impressed with the P4.

<font color=red>This is a forum, not a chat room. You aren't going to find a date here.</font color=red>

 

[Guest]

I do not know what you mean it lags in sandra benchmarks,
http://www.sharkeyextreme.com/hardware/guides/pentium4/8.shtml

it is 3 times faster than athlon in memory throughput

and with sandra 2001 wchih will be pentium 4 awware its
cpu scores will kick butt, I have heard from the company already that it makes a big difference


the memory has gone down from $750 to $175 in 4 months,
that is not expensive anymore,
people were paying that for sdram 9 months ago,
I was selling it

photoshop 6x is P4 enabled as is the patest premiere, and hundreds of apps including office XP which went GOLD
and will be here in APR, and windows XP in AUG,
and many games inclduing FAllout tactics, the new DOOM
the new Clive Barker game, WOLFFENSTEIN 3D will be

etc etc..

I just do not agree,
today is today, 8 weeks from now people buying athlons
will be doing a disservice as alot of software will be P4 enabled.

computer go obsolete fast enough, but at least the P4 has some legs..
the athlon is on its last ones for existing MB's
and I simply could not reccommend buying an athlon to a client now that P4 is here,
I would if P3 was only the one,
but P4 is just a newer better computer system that is faster and will continue to expand and get faster still..

you buy a computer for tommorrow NOT TODAY anyway

otherwise you end up with an obsollete piece of crap..

One of the things our clients have alwyas praised us
is that when they buy our systems they are good for at least
2 years, requiring only minor upgrades like a CPU or ram.

INTEL tends to be much better at this, as the P3 went
from 450-1100 mhz..

sdram is dead, ddr is here but for lower end systems
rambus is here to stao till 2003 at least

the way I see things and most system vendors who have seen both systems alot

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