What's so hot about AMD processors? Read this pls.
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I have a Spitfire 800
Currenty running at 40 Celcius
Max it goes it.. 42-43
Now ive built many other systems currenty this heat issue is coming up, the past 5 systems i built for people
i told them to leave it on for 24 hours, just to get everything working.. Plus the monitor was all smelly and new fromt he plastic,
ANYHOW... the max there's got was 40 too around mine
well thats the big deal?
My old k6-2 350 was at 50 C steady even 55 even and it was fine for years..
I don't get it?
People with heat problems are you living on some volcaco or someting?
Just i want your opion.
How come all the systems ive built and mine are only 40 c or so
thats nothing
Currenty running at 40 Celcius
Max it goes it.. 42-43
Now ive built many other systems currenty this heat issue is coming up, the past 5 systems i built for people
i told them to leave it on for 24 hours, just to get everything working.. Plus the monitor was all smelly and new fromt he plastic,
ANYHOW... the max there's got was 40 too around mine
well thats the big deal?
My old k6-2 350 was at 50 C steady even 55 even and it was fine for years..
I don't get it?
People with heat problems are you living on some volcaco or someting?
Just i want your opion.
How come all the systems ive built and mine are only 40 c or so
thats nothing
More about : hot amd processors read pls
Some people like to Overclock their CPU's and when they do, it's nice to keep it cool... For me it's mainly so that when i'm in a small room with my fuckin hot cpu (50C) it doesn't make me feel hot and stuffy, a LAN with about 10comps in one small room can heat up VERY quickly to about 55C at which point you start becoming tired and fainting..
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How is a cpu or case fan going to help that? Laws of thermodynamics state you are not removing heat from the environment, you are just spreading it around. It only will make a difference if you dissipate the heat from your cpu/pc to ANOTHER room if you are circulating the same air in your room, it will get hotter, irrespective of CPU cooling (unless you are using a medium other than air to cool (liquid nitrogen, external water cooler etc.)
Anything that is 'closed' system will just get hotter as you are piping energy in that power cable. Your CPU converts some of the to heat (as does the HDD, PSU, monitor, Video etc.) If that air then does not get cooled by A/c or venting with cooler (outside) air it will just get hotter...
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Anything that is 'closed' system will just get hotter as you are piping energy in that power cable. Your CPU converts some of the to heat (as does the HDD, PSU, monitor, Video etc.) If that air then does not get cooled by A/c or venting with cooler (outside) air it will just get hotter...
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Yes - I have.
What you are describing is correct to a finite point. In The Audiophile's case however the situation is describing a 'small' room and sometimes rooms with 10 PCs.
In this case you will find that the room air heats up (since the cpu amongst others is heating it). Diffusion is just the transfer and dissipation of hot air amongst cooler air (as you correctly mention) however the net effect is that all the air gets hotter.
My point to Audiophile was that a cpu coller has absolutely no bearing on whether the room with the PC in 'feels' hot and stuffy. It will get hot more evenly with a CPU fan actually.
Diffusion of heat in a finite space = net rise in temperature. Okay - the walls will absorb some heat and if it is cold outside the windows will cool things down too - but it sounds like this person's soom gets hot and I have absolutely no idea what a cpu coller has to do with making it feel colder!!!!!!!!
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What you are describing is correct to a finite point. In The Audiophile's case however the situation is describing a 'small' room and sometimes rooms with 10 PCs.
In this case you will find that the room air heats up (since the cpu amongst others is heating it). Diffusion is just the transfer and dissipation of hot air amongst cooler air (as you correctly mention) however the net effect is that all the air gets hotter.
My point to Audiophile was that a cpu coller has absolutely no bearing on whether the room with the PC in 'feels' hot and stuffy. It will get hot more evenly with a CPU fan actually.
Diffusion of heat in a finite space = net rise in temperature. Okay - the walls will absorb some heat and if it is cold outside the windows will cool things down too - but it sounds like this person's soom gets hot and I have absolutely no idea what a cpu coller has to do with making it feel colder!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for that Pete..
1) i was talking about a lan, and the room is only small when you're talking about 10PC's in it! Normally it's ok, and the heat diffuses with the air in the house, as long as your door is open, the windows are open and the general temperature of your environment is cooler than the air coming out of the computer, you're going to be COOLING the cpu!
2) sometimes, air coolers are better than nothing... I personally can't afford/be bothered with water cooling.
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1) i was talking about a lan, and the room is only small when you're talking about 10PC's in it! Normally it's ok, and the heat diffuses with the air in the house, as long as your door is open, the windows are open and the general temperature of your environment is cooler than the air coming out of the computer, you're going to be COOLING the cpu!
2) sometimes, air coolers are better than nothing... I personally can't afford/be bothered with water cooling.
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Of course that prediction is right wusy, i mean, it's obvious! With the increases in speed and therefore temperature that we are seeing in today's chips, we can expect to see the Ghz range reaching into the double digits, i believe Intel has speculated about a 20Ghz CPU but this is yet again, only a rumour, don't take my word for it.
Unless a new form of heatsink material is created, one that dissapates heat much more efficiently, within the time it takes for the CPU to reach the 2ghz range and beyond, then the manufacturers of HSF's are going to go up in, pardon the pun, Smoke... =]
Liquid Nitrogen looks to be the high-end of the scale when it comes to other means of cooling, possible dry ice next, which i personally believe will be the way to go (other than the fact that it's hard to keep) and then Water will become the HSF of the 2ghz's... It will fall in price, more companies will design it, and it will be microsized to fit conveniently into the computer.
Either that or we'll find a way to reduce the temperature, possibly an even smaller micron level than the .10 that sony etc are working one... In theory, it will be much cooler, whilst still being hellishly fast.
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Unless a new form of heatsink material is created, one that dissapates heat much more efficiently, within the time it takes for the CPU to reach the 2ghz range and beyond, then the manufacturers of HSF's are going to go up in, pardon the pun, Smoke... =]
Liquid Nitrogen looks to be the high-end of the scale when it comes to other means of cooling, possible dry ice next, which i personally believe will be the way to go (other than the fact that it's hard to keep) and then Water will become the HSF of the 2ghz's... It will fall in price, more companies will design it, and it will be microsized to fit conveniently into the computer.
Either that or we'll find a way to reduce the temperature, possibly an even smaller micron level than the .10 that sony etc are working one... In theory, it will be much cooler, whilst still being hellishly fast.
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yeah, you use a fan to cool off in a hot room, but only because the air from other parts of the room isn't as warm as the air around you, and because the dry air evaporates your sweat. if you didn't sweat and the air throughout the room was the same temperature, the fan wouldn't do squat.
not to say, of course, that case ventilation isn't useful. if your entire room is reaching the same temperature as your cpu, you probably have your computer in a sealed and insulated closet with no windows.
not to say, of course, that case ventilation isn't useful. if your entire room is reaching the same temperature as your cpu, you probably have your computer in a sealed and insulated closet with no windows.
Temperature is associated on a simple level with the movement of atoms and their collisions. So of course a closed system will see a rapid increase in temperature. However, a room is not a closed system. The walls, windows, air, door, EVERYTHING are going to be basically cooler than the inside of a computer case. So the point of the fans is to bring the cool air in and the hot air out.
Now obviously the size of the room and climate make a big difference. I doubt you could do much with a computer in the Mohave dessert etc. Air conditioning is a must since no matter how many fans or how big the room is, the temperature just won't drop.
Why would you have 10 computers in a room with no air conditioning in the first place?
Even a refrigerator can heat up a room if the room is small enough (assuming you don't open it![:)]( ":)")
My family once forgot to turn the heat off in our pool. It was 115 F outside and 110 F in the pool. Made it kind of pointless to jump in. It was so hot that I couldn't swim to the other side of the pool.
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Now obviously the size of the room and climate make a big difference. I doubt you could do much with a computer in the Mohave dessert etc. Air conditioning is a must since no matter how many fans or how big the room is, the temperature just won't drop.
Why would you have 10 computers in a room with no air conditioning in the first place?
Even a refrigerator can heat up a room if the room is small enough (assuming you don't open it
My family once forgot to turn the heat off in our pool. It was 115 F outside and 110 F in the pool. Made it kind of pointless to jump in. It was so hot that I couldn't swim to the other side of the pool.
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Hey, I used to live near Lake Michigan. Lake effect cooling in the summer. Lake affect warming in the winter. And lake effect precipitation all hear long (mostly about 10 miles inland, where the warm moist air hit the cold dry air in the winter-I would watch snowstorm clouds pass over my house and hear horror stories from the next town over).
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There are a couple of arguements against seeing liquid nitrogen or vapochill or even water cooling in standard OEM computers.
First off, compressors and water pumps are too big, expensive, and complex for consumer electronics. These limits are physical in nature and cannot be overcome with new fabrication techniques or technologies. They will doubtfully ever make in into mainstream computers.
As CPUs become more advanced, they are produced using smaller transistors which require less energy and produce less heat. CPUs have always taken heat and power consumption into their design, and CPU manufacturers will continue to do so. You will not see a CPU on the market that cannot run within spec with standard air cooling.
There are many technologies in the pipe that will inexpensively improve upon current air cooling techniques. The clean silicon already in use by the Palamino is one. Another is a new silicon based technology that uses electric current to quickly and efficiently move heat. This will allow cores to become more dense, and heat disipation to be integrated into the CPU. You will have CPUs that look more like the 486, Pentium, or K6, with the core buried within the CPU and a high efficiency heat plate with this new technology piping the heat evenly from the CPU to it, allowing a standard heat sink, or perhaps a large or more advanced one, to pull heat that much more efficiently. Standard die shrinkage, and more heat-friendly core designs will also occur.
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First off, compressors and water pumps are too big, expensive, and complex for consumer electronics. These limits are physical in nature and cannot be overcome with new fabrication techniques or technologies. They will doubtfully ever make in into mainstream computers.
As CPUs become more advanced, they are produced using smaller transistors which require less energy and produce less heat. CPUs have always taken heat and power consumption into their design, and CPU manufacturers will continue to do so. You will not see a CPU on the market that cannot run within spec with standard air cooling.
There are many technologies in the pipe that will inexpensively improve upon current air cooling techniques. The clean silicon already in use by the Palamino is one. Another is a new silicon based technology that uses electric current to quickly and efficiently move heat. This will allow cores to become more dense, and heat disipation to be integrated into the CPU. You will have CPUs that look more like the 486, Pentium, or K6, with the core buried within the CPU and a high efficiency heat plate with this new technology piping the heat evenly from the CPU to it, allowing a standard heat sink, or perhaps a large or more advanced one, to pull heat that much more efficiently. Standard die shrinkage, and more heat-friendly core designs will also occur.
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i can't find the links right now but i have actually see a couple of small oem's sell water cooled systems. you tell them what parts you want they quote you a price and for an extra $200 or so the send you a ready to go water cooled system. much cheaper to do it yourself... but isn't it always. also it takes 1L or less to water cool a system.
wow, you guys must really have read into this cooling stuff... but i got the BEST idea.
Most to Alaska, drill some wholes in your wall for CD-ROM, DISK, etc... and leave the computer outside. It would suck to upgrade [-peep-] though haha. you could probably run like tbird 1ghz to like 2ghz in the winters (probably like -10-20C )
Most to Alaska, drill some wholes in your wall for CD-ROM, DISK, etc... and leave the computer outside. It would suck to upgrade [-peep-] though haha. you could probably run like tbird 1ghz to like 2ghz in the winters (probably like -10-20C )
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