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Anonymous
May 16, 2005 11:14:39 AM

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Ladies and Gentlemen of RGRD and RGRM!

I bring you all...
*fanfares*

THE TWISTED TEST!

Yes, at last all will be able to witness the results of the now so
popular Flamewars! Prepare yourself for a breathtaking experience!
Twisted Test starts now!

-------------------------------------------------------------------


1. What is the Twisted Test?

You can be subject to the Twisted Test anytime, anywhere, in any thread.
A Twisted Test (from this point also abbr. TT), starts when the
long-time poster of our groups, called Twisted One, replies to you in a
manner that offends you. What happens then? Well, the Twisted Test
begins for you!


2. So? What do I do then?

Well, remembering that from this point on, you're subject to the test,
you can generally behave in two manners which conclude what's the result
in your case:


[PASS] You can pass the Twisted Test by:

-- Killfiling Twisted One, and *forgetting* about his existence (no
offending sigs, remember! This is a Sudden Death -- you pass immidately.

-- Ignoring Twisted One's posts completely (or just ignoring the
offending parts) ( but to be awarded with the status PASSED you need to
prove, that it's final, and not just this time)

-- Replying to him, without personal offeces, flames, and other things
marked as bad in the Nettiquete


[FAIL] You fail the Twisted Test when:

-- You attack Twisted One personally

-- You flame Twisted One on general terms (not about the opinions)

-- You start harassing Twisted One, by stupid replies to his posts


3. I passed? I failed?

Well, if someone (notably Twsted One, but it can be someone else as
well), decides that you FAILED a Twisted Test, he may post a message
about that on the group the person who failed is. To be valid, the post
must include -- the failing persons nick/name/nym, title of the topic
where the failure happend (optionaly MSGID or Google-link) and a quote
upon which he decided that that person failed.

To keep groups clean, such a post is valid *ONLY* when he tag [tt] is in
the message title.

Still, that's not enough. One or more of the regular members of
rgrd/rgrm (depending on where posted, you know who you are guys) except
TO, must validate the test failure, by replying to the message with his
positive vote.

Also anyone may vote (if interested) to be officialy approved of passing
the test. Three RGRD regulars votes are needed for that honor, tough.


4. Ok, they say I failed the Twisted Test, what does that mean?

Well, it means that some of the group members may smile at you and think
that you're a "jump-the-gun" guy who has no self-control, and is easily
offended... like a child. Immature also comes up to mind... I didn't say
who... but some will.

Of course these are all valid *from this point on*, so nobody yet failed
the test (with the (in)honorable exception of the individual who posted
under the nick "Twisted One's Mother").


5. I didn't know about the Twisted Test!

This happens. If you're new to the group, some helpful soul may post you
a link with the text of this Test, and a *TT FAILURE WARNING!*


6. Hell! Twisted One is flaming worse then me, why do you criticize *me*???

Twisted One is what he is. We learned to live with it, and some of us
even learned to like him. And he *is* a regular poster on RGR*. And IMHO
he provides a great way to test peoples patience... Here on RGRD (and
probably on RGRM too) people take pride in the general friendliness of
the group. People who come in, and start shouting right away, are looked
upon with distaste. Twisted One OTOH, through his stubborness, and
dedication (and the fact that people who couldn't stand him, just
killfiled him) has earned him a place in the rank of RGRD regulars.


7. This is not fair!

This is USENET, boy.

I thereby announce the Twisted Test official (as official as anything on
a unmoderated newsgroup)!

Have fun!

-------------------------------------------------------------------

PS. To all people offended that I honor TO -- note that this test is a
good way to *reduce* pointless flamewars, only if enough regulars here
will support it.

PS2. To Twisted One -- no offence, please -- note, that if this goes
through, you're officialy protected here ;-D.
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"Gott weiss, Ich will kein Engel sein..." -- Rammstein /Engel/

More about : announcing twisted test

Anonymous
May 16, 2005 11:14:40 AM

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On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:14:39 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz
<kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:

>[FAIL] You fail the Twisted Test when:
>
>-- You attack Twisted One personally
>
>-- You flame Twisted One on general terms (not about the opinions)
>
>-- You start harassing Twisted One, by stupid replies to his posts

-- You start posting *about* him in any way, since he isn't the damned
topic of these groups. Especially if you do so when thing have
otherwise largely quieted down.

--
R. Dan Henry
danhenry@inreach.com
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 11:55:03 AM

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R. Dan Henry wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:14:39 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz
> <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:
>
>>[FAIL] You fail the Twisted Test when:
>>
>>-- You attack Twisted One personally
>>
>>-- You flame Twisted One on general terms (not about the opinions)
>>
>>-- You start harassing Twisted One, by stupid replies to his posts
>
> -- You start posting *about* him in any way, since he isn't the damned
> topic of these groups.

That's why there's a tag to these posts ;-). I wouldn't expect you to
understand for what reason I wrote this, anyway.

> Especially if you do so when thing have
> otherwise largely quieted down.

Kheh, so you *don't* have him killfiled, do you? Anyway, I wouldn't post
this if it would realy quieted down. A new seed is born on rgrm, and I
guess there will be others. This is my proposal of dealing with it, and
the whole point is that I guess that TO will accept it also.
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"Shadows universe is non-heroic, unfair, cruel and designed to
start playing on your nerves and sanity." -- Anubis
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 11:55:04 AM

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On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:55:03 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz
<kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:

>Kheh, so you *don't* have him killfiled, do you?

Of course, I do, for all the good it does when people keep responding
to his outbursts.

--
R. Dan Henry = danhenry@inreach.com
Dance, Puppet, dance!
But why are there *humans* dancing for the puppet?
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 12:39:06 PM

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"Kornel Kisielewicz" <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:D 69a45$2g2$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> [PASS] You can pass the Twisted Test by:

[snip]
The only way to pass the Twisted Test is to ignore ALL posts by Neo and
NEVER reply to him. The people who continue to reply to him are more
responsible for his continous spamming of our groups than he is. He's just a
poor disrupted person who probably has serious real life issues. I pity him.
However I don't pity the people who reply to him and turn almost any thread
into a troll feeding fest.
Just stop it.

BTW "troll" isn't even the right term to describe Neo anymore. The amount of
worthless garbage he posts makes him a first class SPAMMER. And these
creatures are the lowest of the low.

copx
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 5:34:38 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen of RGRD and RGRM!

<snip>

>
> PS. To all people offended that I honor TO -- note that this test is a
> good way to *reduce* pointless flamewars, only if enough regulars here
> will support it.

So are you trying to tell me who I should have killfiled? Because I
find that there's few behaviours more despicable than when somebody
tries to order around like that.
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 6:29:00 PM

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Quoting Kornel Kisielewicz <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl>:
>R. Dan Henry wrote:
>>On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:14:39 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz
>>>-- You start harassing Twisted One, by stupid replies to his posts
>>-- You start posting *about* him in any way, since he isn't the damned
>>topic of these groups.
>That's why there's a tag to these posts ;-). I wouldn't expect you to
>understand for what reason I wrote this, anyway.

Too right I don't. If you last holdouts would just killfile Idiot Boy,
we'd have a perfectly sensible rgrdev again.
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill the tomato!
Today is Gloucesterday, May.
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 7:04:16 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> THE TWISTED TEST!

My, my. Three persons jumped the gun, on what idiocism I'm spawning on
rgrd ;-). How pelicular that those three persons couldn't deal with TO.
Well, I'll tell you guys one thing. You take this thread, him, and
yourselves *way* to seriously. And so do most of the people "offended"
by TO. It was funny to me to see the whole anti-TO group jump right up
to criticize this thread, without even getting the point of this Test
.... :-)

.... and I probably don't have to tell you, that by such a violent
responce you all failed the test :-D.

Well ok, If you still want spamming and flamewars to erupt, then ok, I'm
backing out of this. But because of the fact that I can't get easily
offended I could get into proper terms with TO, and add a method to this
madness. Well, but you guys didn't like it. So have it your way...
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"11 years and no binary. And it's not vapourware" -- Igor Savin
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 7:33:51 PM

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R. Dan Henry wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2005 07:55:03 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz
> <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:
>
>
>>Kheh, so you *don't* have him killfiled, do you?
>
>
> Of course, I do, for all the good it does when people keep responding
> to his outbursts.

Moving a bit outside the context of just this particular post...

If r.g.r.* were a Quaker community, then the Quaker treatment might make
sense. But there are people leaving and arriving all the time. All that
can be done is to ensure that new arrivals' first encounter with TO
involve as little disruption as possible. Considering TO's typical
response to criticism, then *regardless of how justified that criticism
is*, is it really less disruptive on such occasions to point to the
futility of flamewars than to critize TO?

Before you say "just drive him off the group and the problem will be
gone" -- besides the fact that I personally welcome those posts where he
has something to say, I think you're underestimating how hard it is to
drive anyone off of a Usenet group.

Even if we were to assume that TO is a troll (which in light of the
evidence I don't believe he is), attempting to warn people off using
words that are themselves tasty troll bait would hardly be the way to go
about things.

That's why I for one welcome our new Twisted Test overlords.

Erik
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 7:42:50 PM

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Graeme Dice wrote:
> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>
>> Ladies and Gentlemen of RGRD and RGRM!
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> PS. To all people offended that I honor TO -- note that this test is a
>> good way to *reduce* pointless flamewars, only if enough regulars here
>> will support it.
>
>
> So are you trying to tell me who I should have killfiled? Because I
> find that there's few behaviours more despicable than when somebody
> tries to order around like that.

I've seen other posts (not yours, though, I believe) that seem to
suggest that I, as someone having *not* killfiled TO, am part of The
Problem. So you're not alone. :-)

Erik
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 8:17:16 PM

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"Kornel Kisielewicz" <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:D 69a45$2g2$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> Ladies and Gentlemen of RGRD and RGRM!
>
> I bring you all...
> *fanfares*
>
> THE TWISTED TEST!
> [...]

Kornel, this is offtopic and borderline trolling. Why do you want to
offend all the people who have been personally attacked by him in the past
by now saying their responses have failed some kind of patience test?

This is just as bad as any of the previous posts stating how sick and
tired people are of TO. For shame :( .

--
Glen
L:p yt E+++ T-- R+ P+++ D+ G+ F:*band !RL RLA-
W:AF Q+++ AI++ GFX++ SFX-- RN++++ PO--- !Hp Re-- S+
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 8:43:43 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen of RGRD and RGRM!
>
> I bring you all...
> *fanfares*
>
> THE TWISTED TEST!
>
> [interesting (and somewhat challenging) new "contest"]

Funny idea, I like it! :-)
Though I'm not quite sure whether you actually meant this seriously...
At least I think TO should have been asked before and, if he agrees, he
should carry a sign around his neck (ok, in his sig then):

"ATTENTION! DANGER! EASILY INFLAMMABLE BAT. DON'T SMOKE, PREVENT ANY
KIND OF OPEN FIRE!"

Just as a friendly warning for noobs...

Rubinstein
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 9:02:54 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>> THE TWISTED TEST!
>
> My, my. Three persons jumped the gun, on what idiocism I'm spawning on
> rgrd ;-). How pelicular that those three persons couldn't deal with
> TO.

Mind you, that's not a chat. ;-) Just give it some time, and I hope I'm
not the last one who proves you wrong here...

> Well, I'll tell you guys one thing. You take this thread, him, and
> yourselves *way* to seriously. And so do most of the people "offended"
> by TO. It was funny to me to see the whole anti-TO group jump right up
> to criticize this thread, without even getting the point of this Test
> ... :-)

Fully agree! That's the basic problem with TO, the "offended" people,
and (to a certain degree) even with myself. I'll have to work on it...

Rubinstein
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 9:56:50 PM

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V Mon, 16 May 2005 16:04:16 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz napsal(a):

> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>> THE TWISTED TEST!
>
> My, my. Three persons jumped the gun, on what idiocism I'm spawning on
> rgrd ;-). How pelicular that those three persons couldn't deal with TO.
> Well, I'll tell you guys one thing. You take this thread, him, and
> yourselves *way* to seriously. And so do most of the people "offended"
> by TO. It was funny to me to see the whole anti-TO group jump right up
> to criticize this thread, without even getting the point of this Test
> ... :-)
>
> ... and I probably don't have to tell you, that by such a violent
> responce you all failed the test :-D.

.... and I probably have to tell you, that by creating such a useless
and contraproductive thing you're the biggest example of failing your own
test. Neo got exactly what he wants --- even more attention. Thank you.

--
Pav Lucistnik <pav@oook.cz>
<pav@FreeBSD.org>
http://angband.oook.cz - see the Elves and everything
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 11:20:53 PM

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On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:04:16 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz
<kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:

>My, my. Three persons jumped the gun, on what idiocism I'm spawning on
>rgrd ;-). How pelicular that those three persons couldn't deal with TO.
>Well, I'll tell you guys one thing. You take this thread, him, and
>yourselves *way* to seriously. And so do most of the people "offended"
>by TO. It was funny to me to see the whole anti-TO group jump right up
>to criticize this thread, without even getting the point of this Test
>... :-)

*plonk*

See you in 60 days, perhaps by then you'll be back to roguelike
development discussion and have forgotten obsessing over one troll.

--
R. Dan Henry = danhenry@inreach.com
Dance, Puppet, dance!
But why are there *humans* dancing for the puppet?
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 11:41:16 PM

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copx wrote:
>
> Kornel schrieb...
> >
> > [PASS] You can pass the Twisted Test by:
>
> [snip]
> The only way to pass the Twisted Test is to ignore ALL posts by Neo
> and NEVER reply to him. The people who continue to reply to him are
> more responsible for his continous spamming of our groups than he
> is. He's just a poor disrupted person who probably has serious real
> life issues. I pity him. However I don't pity the people who reply
> to him and turn almost any thread into a troll feeding fest.
> Just stop it.

Killfile anyone who's wasting your bandwidth but -for the rest- grow a
thick skin and learn to identify and ignore wankers. Never forget: you
are shaping the newsgroup with every post. If you think a poster is
retarded, do what you would in real life: avoid eye contact and move
along.

--
Michael Blackney
michaelblackney@hotmail.com
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 5:31:40 PM

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David Damerell wrote:
[virulent flamage deleted]

If you don't have anything nice to say, then please, for the love of
Rebecca Romijn, *don't say anything at all!*

--
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Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 5:34:51 PM

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Rubinstein wrote:
[claims there is "a problem" with me]

Erm?

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 5:39:14 PM

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Erik Piper wrote:
> I've seen other posts (not yours, though, I believe) that seem to
> suggest that I, as someone having *not* killfiled TO, am part of The
> Problem. So you're not alone. :-)

Not having killfiled me isn't a problem, as long as you don't feel an
irresistible compulsion lash out the instant you see my name on the
From: line of a post. It's those that do that have been advised to
killfile me.

Also, it doesn't seem to be to take the form of "orders". What kind of
enforcement is there going to be? This is an unmoderated group.

Kornel: nice attempt, but of course it just stirred up more mud. Certain
people here are trolls and will just keep making trouble no matter what,
I expect. (And they seem to think I'm the troll instead!)

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 9:49:02 PM

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R. Dan Henry wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:04:16 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz
> <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:
>>My, my. Three persons jumped the gun, on what idiocism I'm spawning on
>>rgrd ;-). How pelicular that those three persons couldn't deal with TO.
>>Well, I'll tell you guys one thing. You take this thread, him, and
>>yourselves *way* to seriously. And so do most of the people "offended"
>>by TO. It was funny to me to see the whole anti-TO group jump right up
>>to criticize this thread, without even getting the point of this Test
>>... :-)
>
> *plonk*
>
> See you in 60 days, perhaps by then you'll be back to roguelike
> development discussion and have forgotten obsessing over one troll.

Geesh, I could wonder now, wether he passes the Twisted Test or not ;-).
Technically, he plonked the person offending him, but practically, he
showed a complete lack of control over his emotions, and a complete lack
of sense of humour. Hard to decide, hard to decide... :-D
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"Oh come on. We both know the truth about this game --
vapourware." -- Anathiel about GenRogue
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 9:49:03 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Geesh, I could wonder now, wether he passes the Twisted Test or not ;-).
> Technically, he plonked the person offending him, but practically, he
> showed a complete lack of control over his emotions, and a complete lack
> of sense of humour. Hard to decide, hard to decide... :-D

Pedantic has a hair trigger. I'd be glad he's killfiled you. As I
recall, he flamed you a month or so ago on some minor point or another.
The man has no patience and no tolerance. Which is astonishing given his
history of successful *banding!

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 9:51:07 PM

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Mike Blackney wrote:
> copx wrote:
>>Kornel schrieb...
>>>[PASS] You can pass the Twisted Test by:
>>
>>[snip]
>>The only way to pass the Twisted Test is to ignore ALL posts by Neo
>>and NEVER reply to him. The people who continue to reply to him are
>>more responsible for his continous spamming of our groups than he
>>is. He's just a poor disrupted person who probably has serious real
>>life issues. I pity him. However I don't pity the people who reply
>>to him and turn almost any thread into a troll feeding fest.
>>Just stop it.
>
> Killfile anyone who's wasting your bandwidth but -for the rest- grow a
> thick skin and learn to identify and ignore wankers. Never forget: you
> are shaping the newsgroup with every post. If you think a poster is
> retarded, do what you would in real life: avoid eye contact and move
> along.

It's so sad, that hardly anyone noticed that the meaning of the Twisted
Test is exactly what you wrote :-/
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
Carceri -- A prelude to GenRogue... Coming Soon
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 9:52:04 PM

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Rubinstein wrote:
> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>>Well, I'll tell you guys one thing. You take this thread, him, and
>>yourselves *way* to seriously. And so do most of the people "offended"
>>by TO. It was funny to me to see the whole anti-TO group jump right up
>>to criticize this thread, without even getting the point of this Test
>>... :-)
>
> Fully agree! That's the basic problem with TO, the "offended" people,
> and (to a certain degree) even with myself. I'll have to work on it...

I see you gat the point :-). Too bad we're in the minority here...
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
Carceri -- A prelude to GenRogue... Coming Soon
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 11:36:08 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Rubinstein wrote:
>> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>>> You take this thread, him, and yourselves *way* to seriously.
>>> [...]
>>> :-)
>>
>> ...That's the basic problem with TO, the "offended" people,
>> and (to a certain degree) even with myself.
>
> I see you gat the point :-). Too bad we're in the minority here...

Not sooo bad, though. I always hated howling with the wolves (and feel
like almost being dragged into).

In response to a plonk announcement, who's poster very likely don't
listen anymore: silently plonking is perfectly legitim to ignore someone
or a certain thread. But *plonk* statements always had some putrid
aftertaste for me, suggesting the plonker is such an important person
that the act of plonking is actually worth to mention.

Rubinstein


Rubinstein
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:43:51 AM

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Twisted One wrote:
> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>
>> Geesh, I could wonder now, wether he passes the Twisted Test or not
>> ;-). Technically, he plonked the person offending him, but
>> practically, he showed a complete lack of control over his emotions,
>> and a complete lack of sense of humour. Hard to decide, hard to
>> decide... :-D
>
> Pedantic has a hair trigger. I'd be glad he's killfiled you. As I
> recall, he flamed you a month or so ago on some minor point or another.
> The man has no patience and no tolerance. Which is astonishing given his
> history of successful *banding!

You know what, I'm beginning to agree with you here. And it's probably
the most objective opinion about him you've written recently, BTW ;-)
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"Oh come on. We both know the truth about this game --
vapourware." -- Anathiel about GenRogue
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:47:40 AM

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Twisted One wrote:
> Erik Piper wrote:
>
>> I've seen other posts (not yours, though, I believe) that seem to
>> suggest that I, as someone having *not* killfiled TO, am part of The
>> Problem. So you're not alone. :-)
>
> Not having killfiled me isn't a problem, as long as you don't feel an
> irresistible compulsion lash out the instant you see my name on the
> From: line of a post. It's those that do that have been advised to
> killfile me.

That's why in the post entitled "Re: ["a"] a the Human Fighter -- The
Midgame Pendulum Hitsthe Very," I told you that Jeremy didn't intend to
insult you. Smartwick was just "have been advised to killfile me.".

> Also, it doesn't seem to be to take the form of "orders". What kind of
> enforcement is there going to be? This is an unmoderated group.

Democracy might still work. And if enough of the regular posters would
join in, there would be a matter of "making a fool of yourself" when
someone wouldn't obey the basic rules.

> Kornel: nice attempt, but of course it just stirred up more mud. Certain
> people here are trolls and will just keep making trouble no matter what,
> I expect. (And they seem to think I'm the troll instead!)

Yeah, too bad they didn't see the mutal advantages to be gained here...
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"11 years and no binary. And it's not vapourware" -- Igor Savin
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:47:41 AM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> Yeah, too bad they didn't see the mutal advantages to be gained here...

If they are trolls, they consider noise, disruption, and attention to be
to their advantage, rather than peace and so on.

This ought to be interesting. It will reveal who the real trolls are. ;) 

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:49:45 AM

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Rubinstein wrote:
> Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>>Rubinstein wrote:
>>>Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>>>>You take this thread, him, and yourselves *way* to seriously.
>>>>[...]
>>>>:-)
>>>
>>>...That's the basic problem with TO, the "offended" people,
>>>and (to a certain degree) even with myself.
>>
>>I see you gat the point :-). Too bad we're in the minority here...
>
> Not sooo bad, though. I always hated howling with the wolves (and feel
> like almost being dragged into).

Like that Green Day song "I wan't to be a minority..." :-D

> In response to a plonk announcement, who's poster very likely don't
> listen anymore: silently plonking is perfectly legitim to ignore someone
> or a certain thread. But *plonk* statements always had some putrid
> aftertaste for me, suggesting the plonker is such an important person
> that the act of plonking is actually worth to mention.

Kheh, I see your point here. Well, I never plonked anyone anyway ;-).
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
Carceri -- A prelude to GenRogue... Coming Soon
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:53:12 AM

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Twisted One wrote:
> Rubinstein wrote:
> [claims there is "a problem" with me]
> Erm?

Yeah, there is -- get realy easily dragged into flamewars, and jump the
gun real quick. Nothing serious tough, cause you're not the only one
here ;-D
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
Carceri -- A prelude to GenRogue... Coming Soon
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 4:33:10 AM

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:49:02 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:

> R. Dan Henry wrote:
>> *plonk*
>>
>> See you in 60 days, perhaps by then you'll be back to roguelike
>> development discussion and have forgotten obsessing over one troll.
>
> Geesh, I could wonder now, wether he passes the Twisted Test or not ;-).
> Technically, he plonked the person offending him, but practically, he
> showed a complete lack of control over his emotions, and a complete lack
> of sense of humour. Hard to decide, hard to decide... :-D

*plonk*

--
Neil Stevens - neil@hakubi.us

'A republic, if you can keep it.' -- Benjamin Franklin
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 6:37:02 AM

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Neil Stevens wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2005 18:49:02 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>
>
>>R. Dan Henry wrote:
>>
>>>*plonk*
>>>
>>>See you in 60 days, perhaps by then you'll be back to roguelike
>>>development discussion and have forgotten obsessing over one troll.
>>
>>Geesh, I could wonder now, wether he passes the Twisted Test or not ;-).
>>Technically, he plonked the person offending him, but practically, he
>>showed a complete lack of control over his emotions, and a complete lack
>>of sense of humour. Hard to decide, hard to decide... :-D
>
> *plonk*

ROTFL! Another one bites the dust...
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"Oh come on. We both know the truth about this game --
vapourware." -- Anathiel about GenRogue
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 10:59:57 AM

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On Tue, 17 May 2005 20:36:08 +0200, Rubinstein wrote:
> In response to a plonk announcement, who's poster very likely don't
> listen anymore: silently plonking is perfectly legitim to ignore someone
> or a certain thread. But *plonk* statements always had some putrid
> aftertaste for me, suggesting the plonker is such an important person
> that the act of plonking is actually worth to mention.

A public plonking is a direct, non-argumentative way of doing what the
founder of this thread is trying to do. It's a way of trying to get
others to follow you in ignoring someone (and it worked in this case of
getting people to ignore Kisielewicz, judging by the triple plonk).

I can see why you'd get annoyed at them, though, since they're brief
enough to be easily misinterpreted.

--
Neil Stevens - neil@hakubi.us

'A republic, if you can keep it.' -- Benjamin Franklin
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 1:22:40 PM

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 02:37:02 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> ROTFL! Another one bites the dust...

*plonk*


Regards,

--
joni
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 2:36:07 PM

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Rubinstein <picommander@t-online.de> writes:
[...]
> In response to a plonk announcement, who's poster very likely don't
> listen anymore: silently plonking is perfectly legitim to ignore
> someone or a certain thread. But *plonk* statements always had some
> putrid aftertaste for me, suggesting the plonker is such an
> important person that the act of plonking is actually worth to
> mention.

Spelling out the plonk is a courtesy to the plonkee who has sufficient
intelligence to fix his behaviour. RDH obviously does not consider
Kornel's [TT] stupidity irreformable.

Drivel was not on-topic for rgrmisc or rgrd, last time I checked.

--
Darshan Shaligram <scintilla@gmail.com> Deus vult
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 2:46:11 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> It isn't that friendly, helpful community I thought it to be. It
isn't a
> community at all.

I think it's better not to form a community out of this. I have
always hated that in any forums. Still, that doesn't mean we can't
be frienldy towards each other. You can trust me not to killfile you:) 
I won't plonk Twisted One either. While he is trolling, he also
seems to know something about RL development and programming.
I'm hoping that he would show more that side than trolling.

Another way to look this is just admit that when people discuss
about anything it's impossible to avoid the personal connection
which is the basis of any community. But _strong_ community isn't
a good thing.
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 4:58:26 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz ha escrito:
> Steve Yrjana wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 May 2005 02:37:02 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
> >
> >>ROTFL! Another one bites the dust...
> >
> > *plonk*
>
> This is getting ridiculous, BTW. But I'm beginning to see a point
here
> ;-). Anyway, I don't care for anyone who plonks me here, I wouldn't
want
> to talk witch such a person anyway.

<g>
Ha.. YOU ARE A *TROLL* and your posts are off-topic!!! I demand thee to
leave this newsgroup or post only articles about world generation, AI,
Line of Sight and inventory handling. In the meantime, I will

*plonk*

you, and I will come back in 30 days to see if you have regained your
self!!!

;)  ;) 
</g>

Hahaha... just kidding... I just couldn't resist it ;) 

rgrd is a community for me too, and I enjoy all sort of posts here, I
liked your idea as well as ABCGi trivia... I just don't know what
happens lately but some people just can't stand the pressure...

Makes me think on continuing that project we were talking about
sometime ago now? remember???

Somebody plonking Kornel ... come on...

> Next one, please ;-)
> --
> At your service,
> Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
> My opinions are my own. Share them at your own risk.

--
Slash
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 5:01:27 PM

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Twisted One wrote:
> Thanks ... I think.

Yeah. It seems also that the reason you are trolling comes from
a frustration. Maybe you are a professional programmer who once
was thinking to make a roguelike, just to show how easy that was.
When you failed, you came here to troll, because you can't handle
the failure other way:)  Well.. am I right?:) 

> > But _strong_ community isn't a good thing.
> Why do you say that?

It stinks to be too close with other people:)  I have noticed that
some newcomers don't get a friendly welcome, just because they
are asking the same things we were some years ago... it's so easy
for "us" to say. And it can come just like that, from anyone who
is one of "us", this community. It just shows how dangerous it is
to form a community.
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 6:08:57 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
[snip]
> Thanks for the post. I wouldn't even bother with that if it weren't
for
> the fact that I always saw rgrd as a community, and not just a
> newsgroup. I always tough, the people here represent some level. But
I
> guess I was wrong. I never saw what was lurking in the shadows of
rgrd.
> It isn't that friendly, helpful community I thought it to be. It
isn't a
> community at all. What surprised me also is that my home group of
rgrd
> treated me a lot worse then rgrm. Time to shift the base of
operations I
> guess. Or suspend rldev work at all...
> --
> At your service,
> Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
> "Oh come on. We both know the truth about this game --
> vapourware." -- Anathiel about GenRogue


Our minority is one larger than you thought.

- A lurker.
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 6:37:18 PM

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Krice wrote:

[stuff]

Thanks ... I think.

> Another way to look this is just admit that when people discuss
> about anything it's impossible to avoid the personal connection
> which is the basis of any community. But _strong_ community isn't
> a good thing.

Why do you say that?

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 6:46:25 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz ha escrito:
> SZDev - Slash wrote:
> > <g>
> > Ha.. YOU ARE A *TROLL* and your posts are off-topic!!! I demand
thee to
> > leave this newsgroup or post only articles about world generation,
AI,
> > Line of Sight and inventory handling. In the meantime, I will
> >
> > *plonk*
> >
> > you, and I will come back in 30 days to see if you have regained
your
> > self!!!
> >
> > ;)  ;) 
> > </g>
> >
> > Hahaha... just kidding... I just couldn't resist it ;) 
>
> *sigh* I must be getting tired and bitter. On the first glance I
tough
> this was for real :-/

I was just making fun at the ridiculous idea :D 

>
> > rgrd is a community for me too, and I enjoy all sort of posts here,
I
> > liked your idea as well as ABCGi trivia... I just don't know what
> > happens lately but some people just can't stand the pressure...
>
> Yup. But I don't think it's "lately". I rather think it only recently

> surfaced out...

Sometimes its better for chaos to erupt than living a false balance :D 

>
> > Makes me think on continuing that project we were talking about
> > sometime ago now? remember???
>
> If you'd give me a finished Design Doc, and a month I could give you
the
> result ;-). Also a Greek-themed mod for Carceri would be nice ;-).

Indeed, but I am not talking about GREEKIE here ;) 

Remember that about the dynamic developers map, and your website idea?

> --
> At your service,
> Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
> "11 years and no binary. And it's not vapourware" -- Igor Savin


--
Slash
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 7:10:52 PM

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Kornel Kisielewicz ha escrito:
> SZDev - Slash wrote:
> >>If you'd give me a finished Design Doc, and a month I could give
you
> >>the >>result ;-). Also a Greek-themed mod for Carceri would be nice
;-).
> >
> > Indeed, but I am not talking about GREEKIE here ;) 
> > Remember that about the dynamic developers map, and your website
idea?
>
> Now it doesn't seem such a nice idea anymore :-(

Why?? it may be easier to "handle" than usenet...

If only I had more of that precious resource they call "time"...

> --
> At your service,
> Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
> "If hackers will ever use virtual reality, it would show a bunch
> of text terminals floating around them..." -- The Sheep


--
Slash
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 8:57:17 PM

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Steve Yrjana wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2005 02:37:02 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>
>>ROTFL! Another one bites the dust...
>
> *plonk*

This is getting ridiculous, BTW. But I'm beginning to see a point here
;-). Anyway, I don't care for anyone who plonks me here, I wouldn't want
to talk witch such a person anyway.
Next one, please ;-)
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
My opinions are my own. Share them at your own risk.
May 18, 2005 8:57:18 PM

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On 2005-05-18 16:57:17, Kornel Kisielewicz <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:

>
> This is getting ridiculous, BTW. But I'm beginning to see a point here
> ;-). Anyway, I don't care for anyone who plonks me here, I wouldn't want
> to talk witch such a person anyway.
> Next one, please ;-)
> --

Don't worry Kornel...;-)...this thread is a very good laugh to me...But it's
also sad that some forgot that this is - r.GAMES.r.d....this is all about
entertainment, even if this means also work for many...

Cheers
Peter.
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 8:57:19 PM

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Peter wrote:
> Don't worry Kornel...;-)...this thread is a very good laugh to me...But it's
> also sad that some forgot that this is - r.GAMES.r.d....this is all about
> entertainment, even if this means also work for many...

You can get *paid* to develop roguelikes? Where?!?

;) 

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 9:07:32 PM

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Darshan Shaligram wrote:
> Rubinstein <picommander@t-online.de> writes:
> [...]
>
>>In response to a plonk announcement, who's poster very likely don't
>>listen anymore: silently plonking is perfectly legitim to ignore
>>someone or a certain thread. But *plonk* statements always had some
>>putrid aftertaste for me, suggesting the plonker is such an
>>important person that the act of plonking is actually worth to
>>mention.
>
> Spelling out the plonk is a courtesy to the plonkee who has sufficient
> intelligence to fix his behaviour.

A true plonk is a sign of never reading a post of the plonked again.

> RDH obviously does not consider
> Kornel's [TT] stupidity irreformable.

I am very sorry to dissapoint him, but I don't see any stupidity in my
actions. Nor I will no matter how many of the former Anto-TO team will
plonk me.
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"From what I've read, a lot of people believe that GenRogue
exists and will be released some day" -- Arxenia Xentrophore
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 9:07:51 PM

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SZDev - Slash wrote:
> Kornel Kisielewicz ha escrito:
>
>>Steve Yrjana wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 18 May 2005 02:37:02 +0200, Kornel Kisielewicz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ROTFL! Another one bites the dust...
>>>
>>>*plonk*
>>
>>This is getting ridiculous, BTW. But I'm beginning to see a point
>
> here
>
>>;-). Anyway, I don't care for anyone who plonks me here, I wouldn't
>
> want
>
>>to talk witch such a person anyway.
>
>
> <g>
> Ha.. YOU ARE A *TROLL* and your posts are off-topic!!! I demand thee to
> leave this newsgroup or post only articles about world generation, AI,
> Line of Sight and inventory handling. In the meantime, I will
>
> *plonk*
>
> you, and I will come back in 30 days to see if you have regained your
> self!!!
>
> ;)  ;) 
> </g>
>
> Hahaha... just kidding... I just couldn't resist it ;) 

Good one. ;-)

> rgrd is a community for me too, and I enjoy all sort of posts here, I
> liked your idea as well as ABCGi trivia... I just don't know what
> happens lately but some people just can't stand the pressure...

It's a shame, to be sure. Some people around here really do seem a
bit emotionally unbalanced. Blowing a fuse over something read on
Usenet is a bit of a problem. Methinks some of the high-strung
individuals here need to take a vacation, and mellow out some. Or, at
the least, smoke a couple buds and get a grip on things. ;-P

> Makes me think on continuing that project we were talking about
> sometime ago now? remember???
>
> Somebody plonking Kornel ... come on...

Yeah, I can't really understand this. Kornel is among the
indispensible rgrd regulars. He has great ideas, is quite helpful,
and actually produces results.


--
SoulEaterRL... Coming soon!

http://www.freewebs.com/timsrl/index.htm

--
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 9:09:28 PM

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Neil Stevens wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2005 20:36:08 +0200, Rubinstein wrote:
>
>>In response to a plonk announcement, who's poster very likely don't
>>listen anymore: silently plonking is perfectly legitim to ignore someone
>>or a certain thread. But *plonk* statements always had some putrid
>>aftertaste for me, suggesting the plonker is such an important person
>>that the act of plonking is actually worth to mention.
>
> A public plonking is a direct, non-argumentative way of doing what the
> founder of this thread is trying to do.

Ridiculous. How dare you criticize me if you even didn't get my point...
*sigh*

> It's a way of trying to get
> others to follow you in ignoring someone (and it worked in this case of
> getting people to ignore Kisielewicz, judging by the triple plonk).

Great, I'm impressed. Thanks to you guys, I have a list of people with a
hair-trigger ;-).

--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"From what I've read, a lot of people believe that GenRogue
exists and will be released some day" -- Arxenia Xentrophore
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 9:21:30 PM

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Timothy Pruett wrote:
> Yeah, I can't really understand this. Kornel is among the indispensible
> rgrd regulars. He has great ideas, is quite helpful, and actually
> produces results.

Except when he's working on GenRogue. ;) 

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 9:24:44 PM

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root.andproud@gmail.com wrote:
> Our minority is one larger than you thought.
>
> - A lurker.

Not anymore.

--
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Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
Anonymous
May 18, 2005 9:35:06 PM

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Peter wrote:
> On 2005-05-18 16:57:17, Kornel Kisielewicz <kisielewicz@gazeta.pl> wrote:
>
>>This is getting ridiculous, BTW. But I'm beginning to see a point here
>>;-). Anyway, I don't care for anyone who plonks me here, I wouldn't want
>>to talk witch such a person anyway.
>>Next one, please ;-)
>
> Don't worry Kornel...;-)...this thread is a very good laugh to me...But it's
> also sad that some forgot that this is - r.GAMES.r.d....this is all about
> entertainment, even if this means also work for many...

Thanks for the post. I wouldn't even bother with that if it weren't for
the fact that I always saw rgrd as a community, and not just a
newsgroup. I always tough, the people here represent some level. But I
guess I was wrong. I never saw what was lurking in the shadows of rgrd.
It isn't that friendly, helpful community I thought it to be. It isn't a
community at all. What surprised me also is that my home group of rgrd
treated me a lot worse then rgrm. Time to shift the base of operations I
guess. Or suspend rldev work at all...
--
At your service,
Kornel Kisielewicz (charonATmagma-net.pl) [http://chaos.magma-net.pl]
"Oh come on. We both know the truth about this game --
vapourware." -- Anathiel about GenRogue
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