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Auric__ wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 11:58:59 +1000, ABCGi <abcgi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Auric__ wrote:
>>
>>>You're responding to spam.
>>
>>I don't get the original spam, so responding to it is
>>a pain for me. Same as responding to trolls.
>
> Without trolls, who would we yell at?
>
>>>I'm a nutty American but I had no problem understanding the OP. As much
>>>as I prefer English (my native language), I am able to handle most
>>>romance languages with little problems, and what I can't handle, I *can*
>>>paste into Google or Babelfish - not perfectly, but good enough. A
>>>poster *should* post in any given froup's most-used language, but if one
>>>doesn't, what does it really matter? [shrug]
>>
>>Ppl should post in whatever language they like. This
>>is a world wide system. To suggest others should post
>>in a particular language is to be parochial. It is up
>>to the particular poster to decide whether their
>>communication will be effective. It is akin to saying
>>migrants should not use their native tongue in public,
>>which is outrageous, and downright /uncultural/.
>
> I believe that if a person is posting in a froup where most people are
> posting in a single language, then if that person can, s/he *should*
> post in that language - but if s/he doesn't, it's *not a big deal*. I
> thought that came across in my previous post.
And I think you're wrong, however well intentioned,
I hope that came across too 
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ABCGi wrote:
> Auric__ wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:57:57 -0400, Twisted One
>> <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> escondidas wrote:
>>> [something incomprehensible]
>>> This is an English-speaking group. Aside from a few nutty Germans and
>>> Poles who occasionally insist on babbling to one another in their
>>> native tongues, which everyone else can't understand (nor, in the
>>> latter case, pronounce), that is.
>>
>> You're responding to spam.
>
> I don't get the original spam, so responding to it is
> a pain for me. Same as responding to trolls.
At the time I posted my reply (quoting none of the original article, by
the way), I had no idea what it was. In fact, since it's not
comprehensible to me, I still don't -- I only have your word for it.
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:41:54 +1000, ABCGi <abcgi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>And I think you're wrong, however well intentioned,
>I hope that came across too
Yep. I disagree with you, of course, but I get your stand on the matter.
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Auric__ wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:41:54 +1000, ABCGi <abcgi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>And I think you're wrong, however well intentioned,
>>I hope that came across too
>
> Yep. I disagree with you, of course, but I get your stand on the matter.
I get yours too, I used to hold that view till I realised
what it represented historically/politically... but that
comes with wrinkles 
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On 2005-05-14 04:37:31, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 02:22:16 GMT, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
> >Auric__ wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe I should start posting in Japanese, just to annoy you. Watashi wa
> >> ohkii enbitsu. Neji hito wa baka. Watashitachi wa subete uru wa kousei
> >> ikenai ka.
> >
> >I like Hong-Kong style conversation: everybody speaks whatever
> >their own native language is, and if somebody doesn't understand
> >one of the other participants, they just don't respond to that
> >participant.
>
> It's been several years since I was in Hong Kong, but I don't remember
> things being that way. Of course, I don't now and never have understood
> any Chinese dialect...
> --
> auric underscore underscore at hotmail dot com
> *****
> That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Happiness
> isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria!
> -- Calvin
>
>
If you really want to annoy people, you should post it in actual Japanese text.
It breaks a lot of readers (I know this because I've done it until people told
me to stop 
)
From my experience, Hong Kong conversation is always either Cantonese, Mandarin
or English, with Cantonese spoken the most, though most people should speak
Mandarin.
For some reason, I'm reminded of Daniel Jackson saying "Well I speak 23
languages, pick one!" I wish I could do that. Well, five down, 18 more to go
Ok, now I'll go back to being bored.
--
AKA Yumi_Saotome on #angband
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ABCGi wrote:
> Auric__ wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:41:54 +1000, ABCGi <abcgi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And I think you're wrong, however well intentioned,
>>> I hope that came across too
>>
>> Yep. I disagree with you, of course, but I get your stand on the matter.
>
> I get yours too, I used to hold that view till I realised
> what it represented historically/politically... but that
> comes with wrinkles
Elaborate, pls?
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:00:11 +0000 (UTC), Ernest Huang
<animeband@oook.cz> wrote:
>If you really want to annoy people, you should post it in actual Japanese text.
>It breaks a lot of readers (I know this because I've done it until people told
>me to stop )
I'd have to jump through hoops, methinks - I'm not set up for Japanese
input; I'd have to use charmap, at best a painful process.
>From my experience, Hong Kong conversation is always either Cantonese, Mandarin
>or English, with Cantonese spoken the most, though most people should speak
>Mandarin.
When talking to us drunken sailors it was always "Engrish"; it was like
I was stuck in a bad joke.
>For some reason, I'm reminded of Daniel Jackson saying "Well I speak 23
>languages, pick one!" I wish I could do that. Well, five down, 18 more to go
>
So do what I do: if you can't speak it, fake it. <g>
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On Sat, 14 May 2005, Twisted One wrote:
>
> ABCGi wrote:
>> Auric__ wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2005 12:41:54 +1000, ABCGi <abcgi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> And I think you're wrong, however well intentioned,
>>>> I hope that came across too
>>>
>>> Yep. I disagree with you, of course, but I get your stand on the matter.
>>
>> I get yours too, I used to hold that view [people on USENET should
>> write in the language of the majority] till I realised
>> what it represented historically/politically... but that
>> comes with wrinkles
>
> Elaborate, pls?
I would guess ABCGi is trying to equate "it's nice to conform to
the style of the majority" and "it's nice for the majority to force
everybody to conform to their style" (a view which indeed has a
bumpy history). If that's really ABCGi's point, then he's got
entirely the wrong idea. Here's how I know: psqoigs kwhvcih qsfhowb
sghopzwgvsr qcbjsbhwcbg, wh psqcasg jsfm rwttwqizh hc qcaaibwqohs
sttsqhwjszm.
(Hint: The above text is self-referential, in case it wasn't
obvious.)
But getting a little closer to the original topic: How on earth
could Neo honestly not realize that was spam? Four exclamation
points in the subject line, references to "euros" in the text,
embedded URLs full of question marks and numbers... WHBT.
-Arthur
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Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
> entirely the wrong idea. Here's how I know: psqoigs kwhvcih qsfhowb
> sghopzwgvsr qcbjsbhwcbg, wh psqcasg jsfm rwttwqizh hc qcaaibwqohs
> sttsqhwjszm.
>
> (Hint: The above text is self-referential, in case it wasn't
> obvious.)
Actually, the "above text" is incomprehensible. It isn't English. It
isn't any other natural language (the last word is all consonants and 11
letters long!). And it doesn't seem to be rot13d English. And it doesn't
even seem to be rot13d foreign text, since that last word gains only a
single vowel from rot13ing.
So ... what the hell is it?!
> But getting a little closer to the original topic: How on earth
> could Neo honestly not realize that was spam? Four exclamation
> points in the subject line, references to "euros" in the text,
> embedded URLs full of question marks and numbers... WHBT.
Hrm? I didn't read the text. The first line was incomprehensible, so I
glanced at the rest and didn't notice anything that looked any better.
My classification algorithm for posts thus returned "incomprehensible"
rather than "spam" or anything else. The response for an
incomprehensible post is to follow it up and point out that it is not
understandable to a majority of the group's posters. (Which is going to
be automatically true, since I only ever hang out in English-dominated
groups.) As for the subject line, money is often relevant to discussions
of roguelike games. And newbies that don't know to be more specific
sometimes post with vague subject lines. I wouldn't be to shocked to see
something like this in rgr*:
From: n00b@aol.com
Subject: money!
Reply-To: n00bnospam@aol.com
Date: whenever
how do u get lots of money to afford stuff liek dragon scale armor in
the blak market? please help!
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On Tue, 17 May 2005, Twisted One wrote:
> Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
>> entirely the wrong idea. Here's how I know: psqoigs kwhvcih qsfhowb
>> sghopzwgvsr qcbjsbhwcbg, wh psqcasg jsfm rwttwqizh hc qcaaibwqohs
>> sttsqhwjszm.
>>
>> (Hint: The above text is self-referential, in case it wasn't
>> obvious.)
>
> Actually, the "above text" is incomprehensible. It isn't English. It isn't
> any other natural language (the last word is all consonants and 11 letters
> long!). And it doesn't seem to be rot13d English. And it doesn't even seem to
> be rot13d foreign text, since that last word gains only a single vowel from
> rot13ing.
Heh... You actually performed rot13 on it, got
>> cfdbvtf xjuipvu dfsubjo
>> ftubcmjtife dpowfoujpot, ju cfdpnft wfsz ejggjdvmu up dpnnvojdbuf
>> fggfdujwfmz.
and then decided that it didn't "seem" to be foreign text? 
Even I have been underestimating your muleheadedness!
> So ... what the hell is it?!
No more hints. Besides, you seem to have internalized the message I
was intending to send, even without figuring it out consciously.
(Not that I expect you to learn from it, of course.)
>> But getting a little closer to the original topic: How on earth
>> could Neo honestly not realize that was spam? Four exclamation
>> points in the subject line, references to "euros" in the text,
>> embedded URLs full of question marks and numbers... WHBT.
>
> Hrm? I didn't read the text. The first line was incomprehensible, so I
> glanced at the rest and didn't notice anything that looked any better. My
> classification algorithm for posts thus returned "incomprehensible" rather
> than "spam" or anything else.
Well, that's that, then. Your classification algorithm is broken, or
at best sub-par. Out of curiosity, how many responses have you gotten
to your friendly hints to Nigerian widows that they not type in all
caps all the time?
[...]
> And newbies that don't know to be more specific sometimes post with
> vague subject lines. I wouldn't be to[o] shocked to see something like
> this in rgr*:
>
> From: n00b@aol.com
> Subject: money!
> Reply-To: n00bnospam@aol.com
> Date: whenever
>
> how do u get lots of money to afford stuff liek dragon scale armor in the
> blak market? please help!
>
>
True enough. But in French, from a spammer?
-Arthur
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Arthur J. O'Dwyer wrote:
[snip a number of insults and a refusal to elaborate on an
incomprehensible cryptogram of some sort]
>> And newbies that don't know to be more specific sometimes post with
>> vague subject lines. I wouldn't be to[o] shocked to see something like
>> this in rgr*:
>>
>> From: n00b@aol.com
>> Subject: money!
>> Reply-To: n00bnospam@aol.com
>> Date: whenever
>>
>> how do u get lots of money to afford stuff liek dragon scale armor in
>> the blak market? please help!
>>
>>
>
> True enough. But in French, from a spammer?
In French, certainly. And how would I know that it was from a spammer
without being able to read French? That's circular -- I'd know it was
spam if I knew it was from a spammer, but that would only be by knowing
what they'd posted was spam!
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