My Opinion

Okay, I'm 18yrs old and have been working with business computers and personal computers for about 3yrs. now. While I haven't had as much "experience" as some of you, I have been in the industry long enough to know a fact from a hole in my @ss! I was looking on the forums trying to understand a little more from people with more "experience". While I have heard valid points from AMD "lemmings" and Intel "morons" I find that a good portion of the "posts" on this site have been nothing but arguing like children over who is better. At my present place of employment, which is for a Point-of-Sale company we use Intels. Mainly for marketing reasons and most of our customers trust a name brand. They work, (most of the time) so we do not switch brands. Now at home is a different story, most of us, (myself included) are "gamers" at home. And those of us who have recently purchased a new computer have gone with AMD. The price is better, and performance is, if not better, on par with the higher priced Intels. We do work at home and our AMD machines have kept up. We brought in an AMD 800 duron and benchmarked it against an Intel PIII 800 socket. The $80 AMD chip beat the $200 Intel chip in quite a few benchmarks (which we still have) even though benchmarks are really irrelevent. But for an everyday home user, a Duron or T-Bird is a common sense choice. Out of the 16 AMD based machines I've built, not one of them has had a problem. And 2 of them are even running Win ME!!

Intel is not the answer for all, neither is AMD, and anyone who tries to tell you differently obviously has returned their gift!

Common Sense is a gift that some of us have returned.

P.S

more then 1/2 the systems i was running them on
were Window Millennium too

Others were 2000 and 98

but ya =)

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Hey babe

u need a monitor =)

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Okay, sorry I am getting a 17 inch NEC monitor. I already have a controller card for the raid, so I sort of just planned on using that. Also, just so I don't leave ANYTHING out, I already have the internet pro keyboard and internet explorer(maybe??) mouse, I forget the exact name to tell you the truth. Along with the case. I found this website not too long ago, www.coolerguys.com/ and ordered the ide and floppy cables from there. I choose the red ones. Thanks for the input

<Common Sense is a gift that some of us have returned.>

What about soundcard and HSF?

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lol.... i dont think you would need that serous cooling for your CPU espsialy if your not going to over clock... am i right guys?????

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I commend you you on your well thought out comment & signature. I like you, have seen to many negitave post lately on the forum. I also am learning as well as you. Sometimes it's our youth that shows us old guys the way. It makes me feel good to know that we do have some pretty smart youngsters coming along, to take our places.

Go for it, the world is your oyster!!!

Skinny

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Another poor guy who had faith in AMD but was terribly dissapointed. Has anyone been able to help out TimF or namgorf? Or are they to more AMD statistics?

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

Firstly let me share a quote with you made by the poster of this very thread:

"While I have heard valid points from AMD "lemmings" and Intel "morons"

I object to being called a moron. You call this an unbiased view? You words: "Along comes somebody knew to this forum who has a fresh unbiased view on the CPU battle". Are you f>ucking blind or stupid, or both? I have outlined my association with Intel with regard to dual processors. Once again and just for you I'II say it again "AMD offer no valid multi-processor solution"..ok dickhead.
As for ergeorge he is a f>ucking fraud. He was unable to establish any credibillity with regards to his "16 cluster" setup or his application for it. His identity as an areospace engineer was torn to shreds. His disregard for SMP in an Intel configuration was and is still being ridiculed by ongoing contributors in the SpecInt/SpecFP thread, except of course he now doesn't make an appearance there. Someone posted a direct request for information regarding cluster information and he has conveniently avoided that. Why isn't he refuting the SMP information streaming into the SpecInt/SpecFP thread now? Because he can't. Ergeorge isn't even worth thinking about. Even this is a waste of time on my behalf.
When I asked Grizely 1 to establish some credibillity by naming his most used applications and his depth of knowledge with regards to them he simply replied "I have my own business". Hehehe....how am I meant to reply to that? The dumb bastard totally avoided my question.

My point is some people aren't worth responding to. Many of the contributions are useless as TimF and namgorf will probably testify to. I think ergeorge suggested some there too that was totally stupid, that didn't work. So to add a little brightness to much of the useless information here I resort to humour. Much like you have attempted to do. By the way, why do walk upside down? Is it because your bowels keep falling out of your loose arse?

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

Okay look, first of all when I said amd "lemmings" or Intel "morons" I was quoting what I had read here, I am unbiased, except when people like you take what I say and turn my words around, maybe you should learn what the quotations around those words mean before you start talking s**t about me. And to the guy who said that I am just another high school drop out working as an office manager, hey that's your opinion, unfortuantely you have no idea what you are talking about. So maybe before you start judging someone learn something first. Okay? Now I used the term "office manager" for lack of better words. Where I work nobody really has a job description, we all know pretty much everything about what has to be done except for programming. So what would YOU call my job description. I didn't come onto this forum looking to be discriminated against. I came here hoping to find intellegent and well mannered adults (and I now use that term loosely) who can maybe put their ideas or previous experiences into what I have to say, or any quesitons that I have. You "old guys" have the same impression on all people who are not in your age group! Maybe that's not where you were going, but hey, that's what it seems like. So to the guy who objects to being called a "moron" I wasn't calling YOU a moron, but if that's the way you took it, then hey I can't help that!!

Now, not any old thing will do for my system. We use distributor catalogs and I have to take those catalogs and convert them into a certain format for users to import them into their system. Now I use various programs, many in DOS and some in others. The programmers also use my machine for compiling, so I don't want to hear "any old thing would work for what you do" because frankly my dear, that is just not true. There are some other things I do on my home machine, I design clothes, and what I would want my house to look like by using CAD programs. On my previous system a CAD program I used for enjoyment on designing it would not run. So in fact any old thing would not suffice.

BTW on the machine I layed out, I do have a HSF, I do not plan on overclocking it. I don't think I said what HSF I was putting on there. I think, but am not sure, I'm putting an Orb, to be honest my bf picked that one out.

Thanks for all of you who actually UNDERSTOOD what my origional post was about.

PS - I don't think I'm doing too bad for an 18 yr old. I have job security and make close to $42,000 a year. So if you think that you have to go to a university for that, obviously you're wrong as I've just pointed out. Also, I do go to school, I'm in a community college right now, because you have to have 2 years of community college to be able to go to a university. Anyway thanks for playin.

<Common Sense is a gift that some of us have returned.>

I agree with you about university, I did not go to university but at 26 I am a highly paid consultant programmer with a 15% stake in my own software house...and we use both AMD and Intel servers and workstations....

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if at first you don't succeed , destroy all evidence that you ever tried...

I gues this whole forums about opinions, and wether or not you went to uni doesn't concern me. But with regard to your signature crapple...did you have to quote something from a movie. I know you don't pretend to be creative but surely anything original would be better than that?

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

I'm not a writer, an artist, or a poet. I often find my feelings and my thoughts best expressed through words that others have written. It is also a sort of common denominator that I can share with others who have seen this movie and know the line and like it. Feel free to keep creating your mediocre, but 'original' signature lines. I'll stick to my brilliant, but copied ones.

~Crapple0

"the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

Why are you so concerned if someone decides to build an AMD system? Good thing you don't live in my neighborhood, I would LOVE to put big AMD stickers all over your car.

"Time is a concept invented by man."

Are you sure you got an Athlon C that was made to handle the 133MHz Bus? This sounds to me like the processor went from 12.0 x 100MHz (1200MHz) to 12.0 x 133MHz (~1600MHz). In other words, I think you fried your chip... Remember that the T-bird is multiplier-locked, unless you unlock it... So you may be able to turn the Bus speed to 133MHz, but the multiplier setting in the BIOS will be ignored unless you connect the L1 Bridges on the CPU...

--Fltsimbuff


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Fltsimbuff on 04/19/01 12:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Yes TimF did install improved drivers but if you go on to fully read that post (why you only read the top bit I don't know) he goes on to say:

"This is just a warning to anyone considering building their own Athlon system. Be aware that you will spend many many hours of hair-pulling and agony to get it working, compared to just about any Intel-based system which will be up and running in 30 minutes. I know, I've built many Intel systems. This is my first Athlon system though. I've now had it for 48 hours and it is STILL not working. I just hope the end result will be worth all this"

They are not my words but his. I wish him and every other poor AMD owner the best of luck when they build their systems however many like yourself love to ignore the number of AMD issues posted at this forum. Yes I wish there was an ignore feature too. That way I could ignore people you could never hope to teach me anything, like you.

Why do you post your rig specs here? Who cares anyhow? But just so you know that my rig kicks yours check this you fat stinkin bitch:

MSI 694D Pro dual slot 370
Dual P3's 733Mhz
512MB ram (1 GB soon)
18 GB Seagate Cheetah SCSI 10K Spindle
Yamaha 10x8x8 CD-RW
Pioneer CD-DVD
3D labs VX1 (soon GVX210)
Mitsubishi 19nf monitor (second monitor soon)
Adaptec SCSI controller 19160

Not that I care much. I use my machine mainly to design CNC machines. Tell me what you do? Surf the net? Play solitaire? Draw pictures for mummy? Scan you vagina and send it to your boyfriends? Take that cock-sucker!!!

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

Gee, no need to get insecure, relax, chill out dude, suck back another cone...mummy will be home soon.

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

<b>Gee, no need to get insecure, relax, chill out dude, suck back another cone...mummy will be home soon.</b>
You just proved my point!

***sigh***
tonestar had actually cleaned up his act for a day or so there. I had high hopes, as he actually does seem to have some useful knowledge to contribute on a few issues. Unfortunately, he just can't seem to help his Tourret-like outbursts.

Well, in case any of you think that tonestar has even the vaguest schred of credibility, please see these links:

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">tonestar claims</A> that his friend is "a REAL Aerospace Engineer" working at "MacDoug".

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">I ask if he really means McDonnel Douglas.</A>

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">He confirms that</A>, yes his friend does work for <A HREF="http://www.mdc.com" target="_new">McDonnell Douglas</A>, and accuses me of not knowing anything about the aerospace industry. Yes, that is a dead link. It used to be the public McDonnell Douglas site.

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">I point out that</A> McDonnell Douglas merged with Boeing back in 1997 and doesn't exist anymore. Anybody flown into St Louis lately? See those big hangers with "Boeing" on top? That used to say McDonnell Douglas.

So take tonestars advice with a bit of salt. He's been guilty of outright lying & fabrication in the past. And yet, he <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">sets himself up</A> as the judge of <A HREF="http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=professional" target="_new">professional</A> on this forum!

>Someone posted a direct request for information regarding
>cluster information and he has conveniently avoided that.

Sorry, I must have missed that. To be honest, I've been avoiding this forum lately because the snr has gotten so low as to be nearly useless. I'll have a look and maybe contribute.

>Why isn't he refuting the SMP information streaming into
>the SpecInt/SpecFP thread now?

I did <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq¬found=1&code=1" target="_new">post</A> my experience with bus-limited applications and how much they suck on our dual PIII. I didn't mention there that this application was ported from Irix. On a multiprocessor SGI, the scaling problems were not nearly as bad as they were on intel. But then, the FP performance wasn't nearly as good either. Intel SMP is a good solution in some situations, I never claimed otherwise. Just not ours. But tonestar is the SMP god. He knows everything (see above).

BTW: That last bit is sarcasm for the read-between-the-lines challenged (ie. AMD lemmings/Intel morons business).

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.

>it would work only if i choose 100/33 with 12X multiplier.
>isnt the "A" suppose to stand for 266 fsb support?

'A' does mean 133 fsb support (aka 266 fsb by marketing droids) when applied to the VIA chipset. ie. KT133 (100 MHz fsb) vs. KT133A (133 MHz fsb). If you need a 133 fsb athlon, you want an athlon-C.


In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.

G'day ergeorge!! Thought you had run away. I said in a previous post that I wasn't going to respond to you. I thought I would try and stick to the technical facts but that hasn't happened. Exposing frauds and the ignorant is really taking its toll. The 3D Benchmark post has been a real marathon, so I won't lob any personal slurs at you. Especially after your kind words:

"tonestar had actually cleaned up his act for a day or so there. I had high hopes, as he actually does seem to have some useful knowledge to contribute on a few issues"

Wow it even sounds like your trying to be my friend. But can you please, please ,please tell me about your applictaion in the 16 cluster enviroment you talked about before. I promise that even if some of your facts are wrong or that I disagree I won't rebuf them. How's that?

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

<b>is there a possibility that my processor is busted?</b>
Unlikely because your CPU works if you set it at 100FSB, right? I think your mobo might be defective. Can you bring it back where you bought to test it? Did you take a look at its L1 bridges to see if your CPU's multiplier is unlocked or not?
Here is another site that guides how to set Athlon's multiplier and voltage.
http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.htm [...] stors.html

Tonestar's rig (Real Computing power unlike us home (pussy) users!

MSI 694D Pro dual slot 370
Dual P3's 733Mhz
512MB ram (1 GB soon)
18 GB Seagate Cheetah SCSI 10K Spindle
Yamaha 10x8x8 CD-RW
Pioneer CD-DVD
3D labs VX1 (soon GVX210)
Mitsubishi 19nf monitor (second monitor soon)
Adaptec SCSI controller 19160

WHAT, NO RAID? Where is the computing power in that???
Oh wait that is right every one has different needs...see for my needs that computer just would not do... I move a lot of databases around I need more disk I/O than one drive (but you do have a good one) a couple more and that baby would fly! You also have a good taste in monitors.

Remember the world doesn't revolve around our needs...every chip has it's place in the market...not everybody needs duallies, not everyone needs raid...

What is your opinion on the P4?

Hope I didn't seem rude...

!!Warning!! Some benchmarks are not VALID, depends on what side you are on!