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What program does everyone use?
I heard the windows tool is alright but slow and kinda stupid....i know there has to be a better tool the what is bundled with windows.

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Execusoft Diskeeper is the best one, IMO...

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How often are you defraging? What apps are you running, and are you using programs that cause a HD to frag quicker than the average user?

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Reply to mozzartusm

Maybe PM Eden, he has me convinced that he has completely defagged.

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Reply to RichPLS

VoptXP is good and fast

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

i dont defrag; i reformat.

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Reply to mrface

Diskeeper Lite is what XP uses.

I use the full blown version as well as perfect Disk. VoptXP is good and fast too.

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Reply to dhlucke

Diskeeper all the way.

Windows uses the Diskeeper basic too, albeit it is not just slow but very much inefficient, to the point I'd not even recommend using it if you're serious about wanting results. The Windows defragmenter in Win98 was quite powerful, but the one in XP is just not quite there. Diskeeper 9, the current version, is your best bet IMO too. It is very fast, very efficient and often will make a difference. The boot-time defragmentation is also a helpful thing sometimes.

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Ouch lol. Good pun.

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Reply to eden

Anyone using his comp often will have it fragmented. Gamers, multimedia users, are all guilty of it.

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Reply to eden

I remember Crashman asking opinions a while ago for a review &
comparison he was doing. Give him a shout and ask his findings.

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Reply to Tom_Smart

One way I think can be used to see how a setup can improve from each defragmenter, is if you Ghost a drive in the exact state it was before defragmented. I would assume overwriting all the disk with the Ghost copy would reinsert it all the same way?

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Reply to eden

I think you are correct with your assumtion, but you meant before it was fragmented, not defragmented.

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No I meant before defragmentation, because you want to see how each defragmenter handles the situation.

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Reply to eden

Oh, I see what you mean now. Well you can also ghost it when defragmented after installing everything, to revert back to a clean defragged drive when you screw up installing all that cool free software and spyware!

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Reply to RichPLS

Heheh yeah that is true.

There is another method, but the problem is it always restores the system to its initial set state, the program is called Deep Freeze. Widely used in educational establishments, as it is an almost foolproof method to prevent anything being permanently resident, including viruses. You can attempt anything at it, including deleting the Windows folder, the system files, infecting the root with worms and viruses, storing porn. The next reboot you do will make you pissed off. :tongue:
The good thing with that program though, if I am not mistaken by its functioning, is you could probably set a defragmentation right before "freezing" the drive, and therefore never have to defrag afterwards, no matter how much you change and install, remove stuff and reboot. So I would assume one could test the efficiency of defragmenters, but you would still need a way to disable the freeze state, reboot and test performance, then freeze it back. The issue then is it doesn't seem as effective as a method.

Actually I just answered myself. It's not a good method. Oh well, ignore the above paragraph. :tongue:

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Reply to eden

I looked at the Diskeeper 9 & it only has a 15 day free trial... Is that right?? Or is there a better place to get it???

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Well yeah it's a trial. Of course, you can choose to make..."permanent"....*whistling*

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J/K PM me.

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9's better, it shows which files are being defragmented at the moment.

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Reply to eden

jesus i have been busy. I posted and i was going to check back quickly but didn't work out.

I download a lot of bittorrents, sometimes 5-10 at a time(i know they run slower but i can set them up like that and head off to work or bed) and so i doubt that helps keep things in order. I move stuff around on my 2HDD's all the time to organize.

I know i need some defragging, just curious on ideas for what i should use.

I have 2 drives, one a 200GB one a 300GB and both are VERY full. i think i have 11% free on one and 13% on the other.

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Actually I just answered myself. It's not a good method. Oh well, ignore the above paragraph. :tongue:

If you do that again, I'm gonna ignore you! :mad:

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LMAO!!!

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Reply to eden

To defrag a drive, it is often recommended to have at least 15% free space. Otherwise the efficiency of the defragmenter will be much less evident, because it can't play with the space available. And if you have files that are huge, like DVD videos, then you can bet it will be even worse.

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Reply to eden

I am aware i SHOULD have 15% free but i just dont.

I am currently watching Season 1 of lost, and i just wanted season 1 of Numb3rs, so i should be able to clear things up if i dont want to keep them.

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Reply to pickxx

Have you heard of or know someone who's tried O&O de-fragging tool? I haven't but you are more knowledgeable about software than I am...I used the diskeeper trial and it was very annoying with the nags. I had a little trouble getting rid of them...every time I turned on the ol' puter there it was "want to buy diskeeper"?????????????

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Reply to TeeTewl

I cant beleive that we are having an informative discussion down here :tongue:

Ive had the software but have been to lazy to read the manual. Im referring to GHOST. The reason that I got it is because I corrupt my benchmarking HD's on average about 3 times a week. Thats alot of time spent reformating. Will ghost make an exact duplicate of everything from my OS to the installed programs? Also, will it be able to see RAID 0,1 I really like the Intel Matrix RAID because you can do RAID 0,1 on 2 disks. This would save me from alot of downtime if Ghost will do this.

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!!WHAT WAS THAT...DID YOU HEAR IT?????

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JUst in case you forget where we are.....I FOUND WINGY!!!!
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"You can draw your own conclusions as to the conditions we encountered," said Capt. John Hebert, of the Carroll County Sheriff's Department.

Police said that they got a call from the parents of a teenage girl who said that when she went to use the facilities, she saw Moody's face staring back at her from the hole.

Moody was hosed off before police cuffed him.

"It's a very filthy environment, and before we put anybody in contact with him, we had to decontaminate him," Hebert said. "We treated him as if he were hazardous material."

Hikers using the outhouse on Tuesday said that the story was enough to make their stomachs turn.

"He just must be sick to put yourself in that muck. Disgusting," said Harriett Voysey, of New Jersey.

Police said they don't know how long Moody was in the tank, but they said the door to it was locked, which means he must have gone in through the toilet. They said they don't know why he was there.

"I started this business in 1980, and I have never in my career encountered anybody in this type of situation," Hebert said.

Police charged Moody with criminal trespass, and they said he could face more charges. He is out on bail and due back in court next month.

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<A HREF="http://www.goldenbow.com" target="_new">VoptXP</A> is the defragger I use, No complaints and used it for a couple of years now, you can try it for 30 days free, fully functional, no popups or irritating buy me reminders, this is the only software I've used that I actually wrote the company a letter thanking them for their product.

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Intel Matrix RAID because you can do RAID 0,1 on 2 disks.

If it was a true RAID 0,1 configuration you should already be backed up?

I read up on Intels Matrix Raid and the way it configures the 2 HDDs, just as a suggestion you may benefit more going strictly to RAID 1, then rebuild the corrupted HDD and you're back in business in an hour or so.

I really don't think Ghost is going to do what you're asking, its hard enough to get Ghost to do an exact 1 to 1 clone of an XP standard drive, much less RAID, especially a Striped Array.

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Reply to 4ryan6

I haven't tried O&O but I think I heard of it before.

I've kept with Diskeeper because it's been consistent with me so far and definitely can help restore a system's response when it is severly down.

Although I wish we had the same feature as Win98's defragmenter. Once you defragged enough with that one, it would have your programs launch so fast because of the re-arranging of them. Maybe modern defragmenters use it, but I just don't notice it to be that significant.

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Reply to eden

Again though, if you guys want DK9 full, ya know where to go.

Or buy it, whatever makes you happy!

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Reply to eden

I was afraid that it was to good to be true for my situation.

Speed is what im looking for[/arnold] The reason that I wanted to go with the matrix RAID is because at the speeds I am constantly clocked at, my OS just cant hang on long before its corrupted so bad that I cant get any data from it. RAID 1 hurts my benchmark scores really bad but the o,1 is ok and im always able to go back and get anything that is important off of one of the drives even after the RAID has failed.

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0,1 is ok and im always able to go back and get anything that is important off of one of the drives even after the RAID has failed.

Well if you're able to retrieve your important data after the RAID has failed, then why do you need to clone anything?

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For some reason the Matrix RAID config stays together longer than single HD's or RAID 1 or 2 setup individually.
Im sure there is a reason, for this but I dont know what it would be. Im lucky if I can run a set of benchmarks at 4.7 in anything other than Matrix RAID without losing everything. With Matrix RAID I have benched all the way to 5Ghz.

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Have you considered that you may be just OCing too much?

Are you trying to win OC of the year or something?

Sooner or later you're going to fry up everything, if your system is unstable then its not a good OC, you need to find the sweet spot where high goals are attained and the system is rock solid, otherwise your OC goals are really a short lived illusion, with short term bragging rights, usually leading to a post of> I Think I Fried My Motherboard!

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Quote :

you may be just OCing too much?

is that possible?

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Reply to mrface

ROFLMAO
Whats that burnt electrical smell in the house?
Its a prelude to my new computer parts I'm fixing to order! :smile:

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Reply to 4ryan6

Just messing with you, its your money, push it as far as you want!

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Reply to 4ryan6

i find that statement to be quite true;

that smells mean ssoon there will be new parts in the mail.

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Reply to mrface

OCing CYCLE :smile:

Whats that smell?

Those old parts must have been defective or something, [Orders Parts]I need newer more expensive parts that can handle my abuse, so I can go further than I've ever been before.

[Parts Arrive]WOW this is what I needed to begin with, I can't wait to get this puppy up and running.

I can't believe it! look at these benchies from the beginning, I'm really going to get some satisfaction now, I got my OCing hat on, and I'm cranking her up.

I've never reached benchies like this! just what can this thing do! it doesn't seem to have a stopping point.

Whats that smell? [Orders Parts]

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Reply to 4ryan6

roflmao, thats funny man.

you shouldve seen me back in the days of the pIII, i volt modd the sh|t out of some of those, thats actually one of the few cpus i have melted heheh.

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Those were the days! I love the smell of CPUs burning in the morning!

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Oh yes, im certainly OCing way to much :lol: My problem has always been that I take my hobbies way to far. Well thats one of many of my problems :eek:

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yea its one of those hobbies that turns into and addiction,

just like modding... :redface:

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Reply to mrface

..or masturbation...or cannibalism....

:eek: I'm the good time that was had by all :eek:

Reply to WingDing

or world domination...
or bestiality...

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Reply to mrface

What's wrong with the D. frag that comes with X P?

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Nothing until I read this post. Eden says it blows,......Wait a minute, I dont like the way that just sounded[/inserts POC]

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