P4 is [-peep-]!

Old news.....

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Welcome to Toms Hardware message boards, you've made your first useless crap post.

Congratulations!

If you take a truth and follow it blindly, it will become a Falsehood and you a Fanatic.

Old news in that the article you link to has already been discussed in an earlier thread.

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Don't pay a lot of attention to bad mannered people. There seems to be a lot of them on these boards.
Still, I'd recommend you lurk for a few weeks before posting, unless you're asking for advice
Oh, one more things. Intel vs. AMD is reaaaaally old. Please find some other topics to post about. Some of us (most, I'd venture to say) are really sick of "Mine is better" arguments.

If it ain't broken, break it. Then fix it.

There is nothing wrong with that Article man

It's just been seen before and people have there opinions on both the p4 and Athlon so i mean..

Nothing is wrong with it, Myself i think is has some good points.. But both are ok processors, i mean its preference.
Myself i cant comprehend how poorly the p4 scores and yet it has a 400MHz lead ... i mean...
think about it.
400MHz... jump and in some areas its good like quake 3, others its poor in where the Athlon prevails.

Its just perference, people who like Intel use Intel reguardless of what reviews say.. People who like AMD might like them for the benchmarks etc... or just like the company.

We have a lot of arguments and wars on this Forum and old news isnt really appealing to them, especially the Intel followers. But i agree with you, that article is a good one.

You will find out that a few people on here will do anything to make AMD look bad no matter what the cost ie Lying, making up stories, or just saying Intel is better.

Anyhow you look at it
Both are good companies with good technologies.




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listen, you <A HREF="http://www.stupidgeek.com/" target="_new">stupid</A> sh!t, I will buy anything from intel or anyother company, rather than buy a pos fragile pos with pos chipset and it's pos problems!!!

how does it feel to know that your cpu can go *poof* in a instant?

you are just as useless as all the <A HREF="http://www2.apex.net/users/timwhita/keychain.html" target="_new">fried tbirds</A>, combined!


"AMD...you are the weakest link, good bye!"

"As for the 200MMX performance, this is complete ****. It may be true than Intel processors throttle back under extreme load, but not this much. Better this than a fried processor, non?"

yea, true, how about both companies just design a processor that works AS ADVERTISED, no gimmicks, no downthrottling, just runs fast with enough overhead that it won't cook itself.
I don't understand you Intel junkies, Intel built a processor that can cook itself in a heartbeat, they just added thermal protection. AMD needs thermal protection, but why not just make the damn thing right, thermal protection for poor heatsink connection or something similar, and enough overhead that it won't need to slow down to keep from overheating.
From what I've heard, the entire P4 mhz throttle is hardly ever used anyway, its not that big of an issue.
I'd rather have the motherboard monitors tell the OS the CPU is about to fry, auto shutdown or something than drop to 750Mhz without me knowing it... but hey...
screw it, both companies suck, Cyrix is too slow, and nothing I use works on Macs.
gimme fingers and toes, I'll get binary code workin on those sooner or later...

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why, oh WHY, is the world run by morons?

"Any dummy can see that their AMD CPU is overheating when the computer crashes! and when that happens, USE THE OFF BUTTON! No damage."

Actually, no. The Athlon will burn itself out entirely within 2 seconds of powering it up if you have not properly secured the heatsink. Gurus have no problem making sure a heatsink is properly secured. Not everyone is a guru.

-Raystonn

-- The center of your digital world --

Actually, it is 10 seconds. But by the time you realize what is happening, it is too late.

The reality is if an approved HSF is used, and you don't remove it on a weekly basis, you will be problem free. For security, Motherboard Monitor and Shutdown will shut down my system within 2 seconds when 58C is reached, well below the 90C threshold. Even with the fan stopped, the heatsink alone will allow time enough for a safe shutdown at that temperature (58C).

Last month my Pentium MMX fried when the HSF failed. It was an old fan, non ball bearing. Thermal protection and all, the chip is dead. I replaced it with an old Cyrix M2 I had laying around. I now use motherboard monitor and shutdown on my Intel based machines as well.

So I now have an Athlon, 2 Celerons, and a Cyrix. They all run the same software. Other then clock speed, you can't tell which box has which processor.

Why all the energy to bash AMD? Who cares?

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As everyone here knows, I am relatively new here, so can you direct me to the thread about this article?

And anyone who has got some sense should only buy AMD processors, for now.
I once was very happy with Intel I refused the idea of considering the cyrix or even K6-3 I always went for Intel, untill I saw the benchmarks, and the prices, that turned the whole situation around.

Toz Alaikum.

"Obviously you are a person who only listens to the first person he/she talks to on a certain issue. You've only read one article man!"
Who told you so? I have reading articles about the athlon before it was released by several months.

"Better this than a fried processor, non?"
for the extra grand I pay for P4 i can get a refrigerator to cool my cpu, and I won't feel CHEATED!

Toz Alaikum.

Hameed_Farah -

Regarding the thread(s) dealing with the article you mentioned - you might try the "Search Boards" option. I searched the CPU Forum on "emulators.com" for the last three months and found several posts that referenced it.

The article was updated March 3, 2001. It's probably a good idea to do a search like that before making a general post on an article that may have been out for months.


beans

<b>The Athlon will burn itself out entirely within 2 seconds of powering it up</b>
I don't think so. Do you have any proof??? He was right to say you can still have time to shut off your comp without damage your CPU because I experienced it! It would take longer since Athlon can work up to 90C. I once had put my GlobalWin FOP-32 on my TB700 and forgot to peel off the blue tape that covered Thermal compound. I booted it in BIOS and check CPU temperature. It was about 70C (to access BIOS it would take more than 2 seconds, don't you think?). I immediately turned off my comp and recheck the HSF and found out the problem.
Right now, I'm using it to write this message and it has been overclocked to 850MHz for more than 6 months!

Hehe...you are a funny guy. I'll bet though that you are in your mid 20's, have a semi-professional or professional job, and play lot's of 3D gaming. Though, I think that is 95% of the posters on this forum. I we were to go by processor count for I.Q.'s then I only have an I.Q. of 2

It worked yesterday!

<b>Please look around at other posts in the forum regarding this subject.</b>
I still don't see any that confirmed burnt in <b>2 seconds</b>!
<b>An Athlon 700MHz is nowhere near as hot as an Athlon 1.33GHz.</b>
You didn't mention Athlon 1.33G in your post at all! You said
><b>The Athlon will burn itself out entirely within 2 seconds of powering it up if you have not properly secured the heatsink.</b><
That's why I disputed your statement.