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Well im saving my money well northwood is coming. This is what im thinking:

"Northwood" P4 -2.0ghz
"brookdale" i845 mobo - ATX w/ 64-bit PCI & PCI-X
DDR-SDRAM - 1GB "by then 256mb will be standard"
(2) 50gb 15,000rpm SCSI-3 [ RAID 0 ]
16x DVD | "like always" 3 1/2 floppy |12x10x32 CDRW
ATi RADEON 2 "R200"
Sound Blaster Live! Platuim 5.1 or "any new Sound Blasters"
SONY 21in monitor

Well i got $3000 for this. I hope it last's till the true 64-bit age.

Northwood P4 + i845(brookdale)+ 200mhz DDR-SDRAM + ATi Radeon 2 = Dream Team :cool:

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I wouldn't recommend DDR with a P4. You will get lesser performance. The DDR chipset is targetted for lower price points only.

-Raystonn

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Reply to Raystonn

I hope your wearing you Flame Shield.

If you take a truth and follow it blindly, it will become a Falsehood and you a Fanatic.

Reply to Pettytheft

"Northwood" p4 w/ ddr-sdram will whip a "willy" P4 w/ rdram.

Northwood P4 + i845(brookdale)+ 200mhz DDR-SDRAM + ATi Radeon 2 = Dream Team :cool:

Reply to rcf84

AMD Thunderbird 1.33GHz
A7V133
768MB PC150
GeForce3 64MB DDR
Creative SoundBlaster LIVE! Platinum 5.1
Sony Trinitron 24" Monitor
Vapochill case
IBM 60GXP Deskstar 80GB 7200 ATA100 hard drive
IBM 60GXP Deskstar 80GB 7200 ATA100 hard drive
IBM 60GXP Deskstar 80GB 7200 ATA100 hard drive
IBM 60GXP Deskstar 80GB 7200 ATA100 hard drive (RAID 0+1)
Pioneer 16x DVD-ROM (slot)
Plextor 16/10/40 CD-RW
Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro
Razer Boomslang 2000 mouse
Klipsch ProMedia 4.1 speakers

I believe this system was around $8k (CND).

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Reply to Grizely1

A Northwood P4 will of course be faster than a Williamette P4. The Northwood is smaller, faster, cooler, and cheaper. However, RDRAM in any P4 will perform better than DDR in the same P4.

-Raystonn

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Reply to Raystonn

Looks like a good system but once again i agree with Raystonn, unless Intel can pull off an amazing feat with DDR, Rdram is going to be the memory of choice for the Northwood platform. The P4 was designed to work specifically with the serial nature of rdram.

Reply to Anonymous

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I believe this system was around $8k (CND).



$8k, and half of it being the monitor, hehe. Can you raid four drives in 0+1? or is that 2 sets?

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Reply to TheAntipop

And if you adapt one of the fan power outlets to run a vibrator, you can have a wet dream system.

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Reply to OzzieBloke

rcf84:

I never try to tell people not buy something. Though when there are issues I do step up to the plate. I own a Sound Blaster Live 5.1 Platinum. The performance of any of the Sound Blaster Live 5.1 cards are identically poor. If you search this forum, anandtech.com forum, and many others you will see evidence of this. It is NOT just personal opinion as review articles have been written on this. I have a 2nd computer with a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card and I would venture to say it is the best gamer sound card out there. Naturally there are many superior cards that professional musicians use but those cost in the thousands and above. I assume you just want a card for gaming, mp3, dvd play back, cd play back, and other non-professional usages. I hope that you don't dismiss this lightly. If you get the Creative you may also find that their "customer support" is pathetic which can be found by searching any pc forum.

I would also ask yourself why SCSI? IMHO if you are not a professional (i.e. making web videos, edition motion picture, doing CAD work) there is no need to get the SCSI drives. You will NEVER benefit from them. An awesome IDE ATA 100 will give you everything that you need. Also, you get more GB per $. As men we always want to get the top of the line. Sometimes we have to ask ourselves if we will benefit. If on the other hand you do need this incredible speed and will in fact use it then go for it.

Lastly, I noticed you put down a SONY monitor. Now I like Sony. In fact I have a Sony 300 Disc CD player, Sony 400 Disc CD Player, Sonny 200 Disc DVD player, Sony top of the line Pre-Amp, and Sony top of the line Power Amp. However, I have found Sony pc products to be quite overpriced. While they are good, there is better for less. I would suggest the Cornerstone P1700.

I suppose I could give you some suggestions on the other hardware but hell I am not sure you are even reading this :)
...good luck on the new system...remember to keep an open mind to avoid buying hardware that is plagued with issues...but in the same line don't get bullied into buying stuff just because so many people on this forum are followers of companies (intel vs amd, ati vs nvidia) and not followers of performance and technology.

It worked yesterday! :lol:

Reply to chrisojeda

I think you should get rid of those slow electrons, and build a DIY optical computer.....

Reply to ejsmith2

Optical computer? Hell ya! lets do it. :)

Reply to Anonymous

I don't know! There could be an upset in the Rambus camp.

Even though DDR is underclocked compared to Rambus, the latency is far less on the DDR. Don't judge it from the Athlon performance either. The Athlon core was never designed to cope with the bandwidth on offer from DDR, and they have no decent chipset, so could never truely exploit the extra power.

Rambus of course does have the advantage of having the P4 built around it however.

Don't count your chickens.
I think it would be great if DDR performed better. It would mean cheaper RAM for your P4 with no royalty fees.

I think yourself and Ray are just associating DDR with AMD and immediately becoming biased to the idea.

The question is; Will Intel put the effort into a decent DDR chipset?

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Reply to ajmcgarry

you are somewhat mistaken..

Brookdale is a low cost low end chipset, for ddr for under $1000 machines..
INTEL has northwood for reg and high end machines on 87x chipset which I have seen at 2 ghz, and it uses RAMBUS,
it has to as ddr does not have the dual channel or bandwidth to give the P4 ...

the 870 chipset is superior and northwood can be dual
P4 as well cannled Foster which comes out same time all around Sept..

that is why Brookdale is a lower number I845,
which means it is not as fast or high end as the current 850
or upcomming 870...

just like lower 815 is a lower end and lower number chipset...

there are no 15000 rom drives, nor will there be..
I talked to seagate engineers and I have twin 18 gig 15000rpm cheetahs on my system now..
they will offer the 15k cheetahs in 36, and eventually 73 gig sizes in ULTRA 320 scsi form with adaptec's new chipset


the ATI rADION 2 is a piece of [-peep-] compared to Geforce 3 and will not be as fast or as capable...

the GE force 3 is co designed with INTEL and MS to take advantage pf DD3d 8b and P4, with windows XP
the next and ONLY new OS from now on..
I am running it now, and it is cool ..


the sony monitor does not compare to the new Viewsonic 22"
which with Geforce 3 will do 2000 res easily and supports DVI digital interfact..

we are testing all of this stuff now, and getting ready to add it to our line of machines within a few months..

northwood is the same as currect P4 except for die size and 512k cache, no architecture changes....
though still kicks ass on AMD so good choice :)


trust me, go with the above mentioned, you will not regret it... especially since I have run all the above...
on our test systems...

hope that helps
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Reply to Anonymous

I agree completely,
RAMBUS with 87x chipset is for northwood medium and high end
and for FOSTER a well ,both appear in sept ....

Brookdale and DDR is merely a low end solution like 815 chipset, for integrators like gateway, to compete with AMD
for low end entry machines...

RAMBUS will continue until INTEL intro's IA 64 for consumer
boxes late next year..

best
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Reply to Anonymous

I agree with most of your post,
but the latency is effectually less on rambus and its most misunderstood...

RAMBUS is CL 2 where DDR is 2.5,
rambus is clock doubled to 800mhz to allow a faster speed
whcih like the longer 20 stage pipe of the P4 is necessary to get high speeds, but in the end does not hamper performance and in fact imporves it..

the RAMBUS and the 850 chipset is 3-4 times faster than
DDR chipsets and DDR, in memtach, SADNRA, STREAM and eveything else I have tested...

where TOM and some other AMD heads got that DDR is faster than RAMBUS I will never know , but it just proves that
he does not really know often what he is talking about..

you can see this in the last year when he has moved from P4 sucks and never get rambus to well P4 is kinda fast and rambus is faster but its expensive...

well P4 is now 50% less, rambus is almost the same as DDR maybe$30 more, and it is many times faster, as you mentioned

best
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Reply to Anonymous

I don't doubt that any of what you have said is not true.
Thanks for the quick reply.

I just want to see what the P4 can get out of DDR. Athlon does not benefit, simply because it is not built to. Many P4 followers have shunned DDR simply because of its performance with Athlon.

What's really ironic is that many Athlon followers in these posts rave about PS2 as being so much better than the Xbox, and at the same time that there DDR Athlon machine is the gamers choice. I'm not saying either way as to which is better, but do they know that PS2 uses Rambus?

Does anyone know how long the Emotion Engine pipeline is. It might be interesting to see how it compares to P4.

I can't remember for sure but does the Xbox use DDR?


I appologise for calling everett and Ray biased, I am not trying to start a flame war, just merely stating a point of view.

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Reply to ajmcgarry

Right! =) I wonder what gaming would be like on that b*tch.......

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