Becoming a pet master?

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So I hear about people that tame all sorts of pets and become pet
masters in their own right.

I know some ways to tame animals, like if I happen to have a tripe
ration on me and I see a little dog or little cat I can throw them the
food. I know there are taming spells, and create monster spells. But
lets assume I don't know any of that. (Sure I might know about taming
spells and create monster spells but I don't know how to use them
well, and perhaps there is more about tripe rations I don't know. So
lets just assume I know nothing about taming pets.)

What are some of the ways that you can tame monsters?

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Matt Poxson wrote:
> So I hear about people that tame all sorts of pets and become pet
> masters in their own right.
>
> I know some ways to tame animals, like if I happen to have a tripe
> ration on me and I see a little dog or little cat I can throw them
the
> food. I know there are taming spells, and create monster spells. But
> lets assume I don't know any of that. (Sure I might know about taming

> spells and create monster spells but I don't know how to use them
> well, and perhaps there is more about tripe rations I don't know. So
> lets just assume I know nothing about taming pets.)
>
> What are some of the ways that you can tame monsters?

Scroll of taming, spell of charm monster, playing a magic harp, and
stepping into a magic trap, gaining charisma while a monster is next to
you.

 

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Philip Bollom wrote:
> Matt Poxson wrote:
>
>>So I hear about people that tame all sorts of pets and become pet
>>masters in their own right.
>>
>>I know some ways to tame animals, like if I happen to have a tripe
>>ration on me and I see a little dog or little cat I can throw them
>
> the
>
>>food. I know there are taming spells, and create monster spells. But
>>lets assume I don't know any of that. (Sure I might know about taming
>
>
>>spells and create monster spells but I don't know how to use them
>>well, and perhaps there is more about tripe rations I don't know. So
>>lets just assume I know nothing about taming pets.)
>>
>>What are some of the ways that you can tame monsters?
>
>
> Scroll of taming, spell of charm monster, playing a magic harp, and
> stepping into a magic trap, gaining charisma while a monster is next to
> you.
>

Magic traps work incredibly well, to the point that I'd rate them along
the lines of pudding farming. You can E-word the square and #sit on it
to keep monsters popping out, and eventually you'll get the charisma and
pets. This even works with dust; #sitting barely (if at all) erodes,
which seems completely backwards.

There is considerable danger for the unprepared, however. You're likely
to generate a lot of @ or A that will attack anway, so keep a /oTeleport
or some other useful tool nearby.

Conflict will quickly trim down the hoard if you generate more than
you'd prefer before creating pets.

A magic trap and a poly trap in the mines, and you'll quickly have an
army to be feared.

AFAIK create monster will never generate tame monsters. Am I wrong?

 

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Andy Johnson wrote:
> Philip Bollom wrote:
>> Scroll of taming, spell of charm monster, playing a magic harp, and
>> stepping into a magic trap, gaining charisma while a monster is
>> next to you.

Well sure, as I said I know of some ways to create pets but that realy
didn't answer my question of pretend like I know nothing and want to
know how to create pets. How does one use a magic harp to create pets?
What kind of range does a scroll of taming have? How does one gain
charisma?

Not to change the topic to pudding farming, but your answer sounds
alot like if I said, "I've heard of pudding farming, but don't know
how to do it, how do you do it?" and you answered, "Well you attack
puddings and sacrifice the corpses."

Your answer is reminecent of the parent that tells their children to
come to them for help with home work and then when their child does,
they simply point the child to the text book and tell them that they
should try reading it again.

> Magic traps work incredibly well, to the point that I'd rate them
> along the lines of pudding farming. You can E-word the square and
> #sit on it to keep monsters popping out, and eventually you'll get
> the charisma and pets. This even works with dust; #sitting barely
> (if at all) erodes, which seems completely backwards.
>
> There is considerable danger for the unprepared, however. You're
> likely to generate a lot of @ or A that will attack anway, so keep
> a /oTeleport or some other useful tool nearby.
>
> Conflict will quickly trim down the hoard if you generate more than
> you'd prefer before creating pets.
>
> A magic trap and a poly trap in the mines, and you'll quickly have
> an army to be feared.
>
> AFAIK create monster will never generate tame monsters. Am I wrong?

This sounds like a good idea, but now this raises the question of how
do you find magic traps? Do you just have to get lucky or are there
places they are more likely to show up than others?

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~ Matthew M Poxson ~
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10. Killed by a forest centaur, while helpless. - [95]

 

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Matt Poxson wrote:
> Andy Johnson wrote:
>> Philip Bollom wrote:
>>> Scroll of taming, spell of charm monster, playing a magic harp,
>>> and stepping into a magic trap, gaining charisma while a monster
>>> is next to you.
>
> Well sure, as I said I know of some ways to create pets but that
> realy didn't answer my question of pretend like I know nothing and
> want to know how to create pets. How does one use a magic harp to
> create pets? What kind of range does a scroll of taming have? How
> does one gain charisma?
>
> Not to change the topic to pudding farming, but your answer sounds
> alot like if I said, "I've heard of pudding farming, but don't know
> how to do it, how do you do it?" and you answered, "Well you attack
> puddings and sacrifice the corpses."
>
> Your answer is reminecent of the parent that tells their children to
> come to them for help with home work and then when their child does,
> they simply point the child to the text book and tell them that they
> should try reading it again.
>
>> Magic traps work incredibly well, to the point that I'd rate them
>> along the lines of pudding farming. You can E-word the square and
>> #sit on it to keep monsters popping out, and eventually you'll get
>> the charisma and pets. This even works with dust; #sitting barely
>> (if at all) erodes, which seems completely backwards.
>>
>> There is considerable danger for the unprepared, however. You're
>> likely to generate a lot of @ or A that will attack anway, so keep
>> a /oTeleport or some other useful tool nearby.
>>
>> Conflict will quickly trim down the hoard if you generate more than
>> you'd prefer before creating pets.
>>
>> A magic trap and a poly trap in the mines, and you'll quickly have
>> an army to be feared.
>>
>> AFAIK create monster will never generate tame monsters. Am I wrong?
>
> This sounds like a good idea, but now this raises the question of
> how do you find magic traps? Do you just have to get lucky or are
> there places they are more likely to show up than others?

Also I should ask, are any classes better at taming monsters than
others (perhaps because they start with good taming food, or have a
chance to start with scrolls of taming or other things that lead to
being able to tame monsters early on, or perhaps later on with gained
intrinsics)

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~ Matthew M Poxson ~
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10. Killed by a forest centaur, while helpless. - [95]

 

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Matt Poxson <poxsonm@comcast.net> wrote:
> What kind of range does a scroll of taming have?

A pretty good range if you misread it. *hint* *hint*

I tend to use that trick on the planes.

--
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not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they
are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them
as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

 

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In article <cvm86b$en4$1@joe.rice.edu>,
Andy Johnson <usenet@take-this.out.swervy.tk> wrote:

>Magic traps work incredibly well, to the point that I'd rate them along
>the lines of pudding farming.

Maybe I do something suboptimally, but magic traps never last long for me.

(Farming, OTOH, the only time I've ever tried it, has gone on and on and
on and on. Today was magic lamps, speed boots, and magic markers day.
Yesterday was HoB's.)

 

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> What are some of the ways that you can tame monsters?

Throw bananas at monkeys (dunno about apes). Throw apples or lichens
(other fruit probably works) at horses. Getting a tame warhorse is a
good thing.

And you can use polymorph traps to polymorph your little cat into
something more ferocious--a magic whistle is helpful here.

 

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Matt Poxson wrote:
> Andy Johnson wrote:
>> Philip Bollom wrote:

>>> Scroll of taming, spell of charm monster, playing a magic harp, and
>>> stepping into a magic trap, gaining charisma while a monster is
>>> next to you.

> Your answer is reminecent of the parent that tells their children to
> come to them for help with home work and then when their child does,
> they simply point the child to the text book and tell them that they
> should try reading it again.

To play the parent as well: someone took the trouble to respond to your
message. Show a little gratefulness. He summarised the options that are
open for you. It's easy enough to find the right spoilers for more
details once you know what possibilities exist.

You're supposed to do something yourself, you know? The newsgroup can
only put you on the right path. For example, have a look at the
following spoilers: scrl-343.txt (for details on the scroll of taming),
spl2-343.txt (for the spell of charm monster), and tool-343.txt (for the
magic harp). I believe there's no spoiler on traps yet (but it's in the
making), so you'd have to google the rec.games.roguelike.nethack
archives for information on magic traps.

> This sounds like a good idea, but now this raises the question of how
> do you find magic traps? Do you just have to get lucky or are there
> places they are more likely to show up than others?

I think you have to be lucky.

Note that for lower level characters, magic trap finds are not so lucky.
They may behave like fire traps, killing a character thats'low on HP.

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Matt Poxson wrote:

> Also I should ask, are any classes better at taming monsters than
> others (perhaps because they start with good taming food, or have a
> chance to start with scrolls of taming or other things that lead to
> being able to tame monsters early on, or perhaps later on with gained
> intrinsics)

Wizards start with a collection of random magic items. A scroll of
taming can be part of that.

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> Wizards start with a collection of random magic items. A scroll of
> taming can be part of that.

Or a spellbook of charm monster, though that's level 3 and it's a while
before a wizard has enough mana to cast it.

Raisse, killed by an exploding rune

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:
> To play the parent as well: someone took the trouble to respond to
> your message. Show a little gratefulness. He summarised the options
> that are open for you. It's easy enough to find the right spoilers
> for more details once you know what possibilities exist.

No I won't be greatful for someone that wastes their own time to give
half answers to full questions.

If I say "How do you use a calculator to add numbers?" while on a news
group about calculators I realy don't expect someone to tell me that
there are manuals out their or the various brands of calculators that
I might use. On the other hand if it was a question that was asked
before and repeatedly, I would understand first pointing someone
toward a FAQ about the subject.

But no I will not be grateful to someone that answers a question in
such a way that it does not answer the question. Yes I know about the
spoilers, and I have gone over some of them. Sure I know that you can
read a scroll of taming. But what I don't know are the interesting
ways of using them. All the spoilers that I know about there are very
technical. This sword does this much damage and can be used by these
people. They don't go into the art of using somethings. Combine a Helm
of Op Align +1 chotic pc +1 lawful sword? Can they use the sword now?
These are things the spoilers do not answer. These are things people
have to try out. The helm and sword question is also not likely
something I would ask in the newsgroup either because it's just
something I could try out in Wizard Mode.

But when you get into the Art of doing things, then I feel all right
asking people what they have found. So yes I'm not going to be
grateful for someone that points at a can of paint when I ask how does
someone make paintings.

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begin quoting Jesse Meyer <meyer_spammenot_@ideaone.net>:
>Matt Poxson <poxsonm@comcast.net> wrote:
>>What kind of range does a scroll of taming have?
>A pretty good range if you misread it. *hint* *hint*
>I tend to use that trick on the planes.

Go Team Meatshield! That is indeed a Top Tip, and it works no matter how
rubbish your spell skills are.
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Today is Chedday, February.

 

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David Damerell wrote:



And that's all I ever see you write David. I'm sure you'r posting
something because I do see people reply to you and quote you, but I
never actualy can see what you post myself. It always shows up as an
attachement that I can't read.

I don't know exactly what the problem is either, if it's on my end or
your end, but your the only one on this news group that I can't read
regularly.

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sjdevnull@yahoo.com wrote:
>>What are some of the ways that you can tame monsters?
>
>
> Throw bananas at monkeys (dunno about apes). Throw apples or lichens
> (other fruit probably works) at horses. Getting a tame warhorse is a
> good thing.
>
> And you can use polymorph traps to polymorph your little cat into
> something more ferocious--a magic whistle is helpful here.
>

Banannas at monkeys is a thing, btw.

 

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Matt Poxson wrote:
> [David Damerell's postings show up as empty]
> I don't know exactly what the problem is either, if it's on my end or
> your end, but your the only one on this news group that I can't read
> regularly.

Your newsreader has a bug that makes messages containing a line starting
with the word "begin" followed by two whitespaces show up as empty
messages (or something like that). David uses this line in all of his
posts to piss users of your newsreader off, so there are pretty much two
problems: The bug in your newsreader (which is of course on your end)
and David's dislike towards your newsreader (which is on his end).

--
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the coffee, she is just not thick

 

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Andy Johnson wrote:
>
> Magic traps work incredibly well, to the point that I'd rate them along
> the lines of pudding farming. You can E-word the square and #sit on it

Magic traps have a 1-in-30 chance of exploding when activated. This
rather limits the benefits you can gain from them. On average, you'll
get about 1.5 charismatic effects from one trap.

> to keep monsters popping out, and eventually you'll get the charisma and
> pets. This even works with dust; #sitting barely (if at all) erodes,
> which seems completely backwards.

That does seem odd.

 

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Sebastian Hungerecker wrote:
> Matt Poxson wrote:
>> [David Damerell's postings show up as empty]
>> I don't know exactly what the problem is either, if it's on my end
>> or your end, but your the only one on this news group that I can't
>> read regularly.
>
> Your newsreader has a bug that makes messages containing a line
> starting with the word "begin" followed by two whitespaces show up
> as empty messages (or something like that). David uses this line in
> all of his posts to piss users of your newsreader off, so there are
> pretty much two problems: The bug in your newsreader (which is of
> course on your end) and David's dislike towards your newsreader
> (which is on his end).

Well it doesn't piss me off so if he's doing it to piss me off then
he'll need to think of something other way to piss me off.

As for the Bug in my newsreader, I don't consider that on my end at
all but on Mircrocraps end, and as for David's dislike toward my
newsreader, again I don't consider their to be a problem, as any
dislike of Mircrocrap products is a good thing.

So sure I might not be able to see his postings, but now the only one
that has a problem is the people that create my newsreader, unless
David realy wants to piss me off, then he has a problem because he is
failing.

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~ Matthew M Poxson ~
54440 Rodrick-Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom on level
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_.-In rec.games.roguelike.nethack, Matt Poxson wrote the following -._
> Boudewijn Waijers wrote:
>> To play the parent as well: someone took the trouble to respond to
>> your message. Show a little gratefulness. He summarised the options
>> that are open for you. It's easy enough to find the right spoilers
>> for more details once you know what possibilities exist.
>
> No I won't be greatful for someone that wastes their own time to give
> half answers to full questions.

And there is no reason he should give full answers to every damn
person to lazy to look up what has already been written.

People like you are the reason posters become become bitter. Someone
takes the effort to put together a FAQ or a spoiler that has all the
info you could ever want but you aren't happy with it and think they
should write it all out /again/ so that you can be satisfied.

RTFM, STFW, GAFC.

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Faux_Pseudo wrote:
> People like you are the reason posters become become bitter.
> Someone takes the effort to put together a FAQ or a spoiler that
> has all the info you could ever want but you aren't happy with it
> and think they should write it all out /again/ so that you can be
> satisfied.
>
> RTFM, STFW, GAFC.

Have you ever thought it was people like you that make people like me
bitter and ungrateful for half answers. You judge quickly that your
FAQ is all useful or that you are all knowing and that what you know
should come as easy to everyone else as it comes to your grand
greatness. Well, let me tell something if you decide you want to
listen. I don't understand pets in Nethack and don't play with them
most the time. I also understand that alot of other people don't
understand pets so don't play with them. So I ask for some tangible
tips on how to use pets, how to get them, and other such information.

To the people that suggest that I read a scroll of taming while
confused I am greatful, because that is a tangible tip even if it's
not telling me everything. It is something useful to know.

This is a news group about nethack. Hence people are going to ask
questions about Nethack. If you want people to be greatful for your
time, then actualy take the time to give an answer that offers
tangible knowledge. If people like me make people like you bitter,
then good. I've asked a question about something that involves this
newsgroup, and instead of taking the time to answer it you have taken
the time to tell me I should be grateful for wasting my time.

If I sound bitter myself, it's because I ask questions about things I
don't understand and people like you take the time to insult me for
not knowing what you know, or not knowing how to find the information.

So if you don't like the fact that I am not greatful for your time,
then just ignore me when I ask for information because I'm not going
to bend down and offer praise to anyone that acts like the all knowing
god who has knowledge that should be horded over and not shared with
people that seek it.

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10. Killed by a forest centaur, while helpless. - [95]

 

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Matt Poxson wrote:

> Ungreatful
> greatful
> greatful
> greatful

Despite that you and I might like the word to be
spelled that way, it isn't.

http://www.bennetyee.org/http_webster.cgi?isindex=grateful&method=exact

Despite that you might like long, involved answers
to your queries, people write FAQs and spoilers
specifically to evade the need to write long,
involved answers over and over for every new
arrival. You need to put yourself in the context of
a new arrival just one in a queue of thousands.

If you are going to start insulting people who
prefer you first to understand the existing material
from the existing sources, rather than having them
type it all again from scratch, you'll quickly find
your reputation leaving you receiving no responses
here at all. No one _owes_ you the effort of a
response, you have to _earn_ a response by showing
that you have become, on your own, as clueful as
possible without help, in how you ask your question.

When you have read the existing material in detail,
and tested what you learned there with game playing,
you can then come back and say "the spoiler says
thus and so, but I don't understand why when I try
it, this happens instead" or "..., but when I try
it, I'm still confused by this part" and find that
you will encounter a much better reception.

Sometimes, your questions will lead the author to
expand or correct the spoiler, as well, and you will
have helped the next newcomer.

FWIW

xanthian.

 

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On 2005-02-26, Matt Poxson <poxsonm@comcast.net> wrote:
> If I sound bitter myself, it's because I ask questions about things I
> don't understand and people like you take the time to insult me for
> not knowing what you know, or not knowing how to find the information.
>
> So if you don't like the fact that I am not greatful for your time,
> then just ignore me when I ask for information because I'm not going
> to bend down and offer praise to anyone that acts like the all knowing
> god who has knowledge that should be horded over and not shared with
> people that seek it.

Here is a suggestion: If someone posts a reply that you don't understand/
don't feel fully answers your question/whatever, then reply to them
and ask nicely for clarification.

Example:

Q: How do I tame pets?
A: Scrolls of taming, magic traps, magic harps, feeding them
Q: I was hoping for more details- What is the range and effectiveness
of a scroll? How do you do it with the magic traps/magic harps?

Remember that while people who post here may have telepathy in our current
game of nethack or , we cant read minds... And people generally answer
questions cause they are trying to be nice-- its not like they get
anything else out of it...

If I read a scroll of taming, will it calm everyone down?

--
Andrew D. Hilton
UPenn Phd Student

 

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Matt Poxson wrote:

> As for the Bug in my newsreader, I don't consider that on my end at
> all but on Mircrocraps end, and as for David's dislike toward my
> newsreader, again I don't consider their to be a problem, as any
> dislike of Mircrocrap products is a good thing.

In the NewsReader that shall not be named, the way to view David's
messages is the following:

CTRL-F3
ALT-space
ALT-M

Replying to his messages requires copy and paste and adding all ">"
signs yourself. Note that you may have to shorten line lengths as well,
to avoid broken quoting.

Please use the reply button anyway, so the thread won't be broken. Once
you get used to it, you'll hardly even notice David's problem anymore.

By the way, since I'm editing my replies anyway, I always start my
replies to him with "David Damerell unsuccesfully tried to hide:",
instead of "David Damerell wrote:".

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Sebastian Hungerecker wrote:

> David uses this line in all
> of his posts to piss users of your newsreader off,

What David fails to see is that he pisses off users of all newsreaders
here because this discussion keeps coming up. I guess a lot of us are
just as annoyed as I am, not because he uses that header (there is an
easy workaround in OE), but because every month or so, someone else
doesn't know what's going on, and the same annoying discussion comes up
again.

Netiquette also comprises trying not to annoy others, as long as they
don't hinder you.

--
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"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> writes:

> Sebastian Hungerecker wrote:
>
> > David uses this line in all
> > of his posts to piss users of your newsreader off,
>
> What David fails to see is that he pisses off users of all newsreaders
> here because this discussion keeps coming up.

The stereotypical rationale of the begin/end-gamers
to this is that they don't start the debate..

> I guess a lot of us are just as annoyed as I am, not because he uses
> that header (there is an easy workaround in OE), but because every
> month or so, someone else doesn't know what's going on, and the
> same annoying discussion comes up again.

Ack.

Best,
Jakob