Becoming a pet master?

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Matt Poxson wrote:
> So I hear about people that tame all sorts of pets and become pet
> masters in their own right.
>
> I know some ways to tame animals, like if I happen to have a tripe
> ration on me and I see a little dog or little cat I can throw them
the
> food. I know there are taming spells, and create monster spells. But
> lets assume I don't know any of that. (Sure I might know about taming

> spells and create monster spells but I don't know how to use them
> well, and perhaps there is more about tripe rations I don't know. So
> lets just assume I know nothing about taming pets.)
>
> What are some of the ways that you can tame monsters?

Scroll of taming, spell of charm monster, playing a magic harp, and
stepping into a magic trap, gaining charisma while a monster is next to
you.

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Andy Johnson wrote:
> Philip Bollom wrote:
>> Scroll of taming, spell of charm monster, playing a magic harp, and
>> stepping into a magic trap, gaining charisma while a monster is
>> next to you.

Well sure, as I said I know of some ways to create pets but that realy
didn't answer my question of pretend like I know nothing and want to
know how to create pets. How does one use a magic harp to create pets?
What kind of range does a scroll of taming have? How does one gain
charisma?

Not to change the topic to pudding farming, but your answer sounds
alot like if I said, "I've heard of pudding farming, but don't know
how to do it, how do you do it?" and you answered, "Well you attack
puddings and sacrifice the corpses."

Your answer is reminecent of the parent that tells their children to
come to them for help with home work and then when their child does,
they simply point the child to the text book and tell them that they
should try reading it again.

> Magic traps work incredibly well, to the point that I'd rate them
> along the lines of pudding farming. You can E-word the square and
> #sit on it to keep monsters popping out, and eventually you'll get
> the charisma and pets. This even works with dust; #sitting barely
> (if at all) erodes, which seems completely backwards.
>
> There is considerable danger for the unprepared, however. You're
> likely to generate a lot of @ or A that will attack anway, so keep
> a /oTeleport or some other useful tool nearby.
>
> Conflict will quickly trim down the hoard if you generate more than
> you'd prefer before creating pets.
>
> A magic trap and a poly trap in the mines, and you'll quickly have
> an army to be feared.
>
> AFAIK create monster will never generate tame monsters. Am I wrong?

This sounds like a good idea, but now this raises the question of how
do you find magic traps? Do you just have to get lucky or are there
places they are more likely to show up than others?

--
~ Matthew M Poxson ~
54440 Rodrick-Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom on level
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Andy Johnson wrote:
>
> Magic traps work incredibly well, to the point that I'd rate them along
> the lines of pudding farming. You can E-word the square and #sit on it

Magic traps have a 1-in-30 chance of exploding when activated. This
rather limits the benefits you can gain from them. On average, you'll
get about 1.5 charismatic effects from one trap.

> to keep monsters popping out, and eventually you'll get the charisma and
> pets. This even works with dust; #sitting barely (if at all) erodes,
> which seems completely backwards.

That does seem odd.

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Matt Poxson <poxsonm@comcast.net> wrote:
> What kind of range does a scroll of taming have?

A pretty good range if you misread it. *hint* *hint*

I tend to use that trick on the planes.

--
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is
not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they
are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them
as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

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Matt Poxson wrote:

> Also I should ask, are any classes better at taming monsters than
> others (perhaps because they start with good taming food, or have a
> chance to start with scrolls of taming or other things that lead to
> being able to tame monsters early on, or perhaps later on with gained
> intrinsics)

Wizards start with a collection of random magic items. A scroll of
taming can be part of that.

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The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

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begin quoting Jesse Meyer <meyer_spammenot_@ideaone.net>:
>Matt Poxson <poxsonm@comcast.net> wrote:
>>What kind of range does a scroll of taming have?
>A pretty good range if you misread it. *hint* *hint*
>I tend to use that trick on the planes.

Go Team Meatshield! That is indeed a Top Tip, and it works no matter how
rubbish your spell skills are.
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David Damerell wrote:



And that's all I ever see you write David. I'm sure you'r posting
something because I do see people reply to you and quote you, but I
never actualy can see what you post myself. It always shows up as an
attachement that I can't read.

I don't know exactly what the problem is either, if it's on my end or
your end, but your the only one on this news group that I can't read
regularly.

--
~ Matthew M Poxson ~
54440 Rodrick-Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom on level
10. Killed by a forest centaur, while helpless. - [95]

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Matt Poxson wrote:
> [David Damerell's postings show up as empty]
> I don't know exactly what the problem is either, if it's on my end or
> your end, but your the only one on this news group that I can't read
> regularly.

Your newsreader has a bug that makes messages containing a line starting
with the word "begin" followed by two whitespaces show up as empty
messages (or something like that). David uses this line in all of his
posts to piss users of your newsreader off, so there are pretty much two
problems: The bug in your newsreader (which is of course on your end)
and David's dislike towards your newsreader (which is on his end).

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the coffee, she is just not thick

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_.-In rec.games.roguelike.nethack, Matt Poxson wrote the following -._
> Boudewijn Waijers wrote:
>> To play the parent as well: someone took the trouble to respond to
>> your message. Show a little gratefulness. He summarised the options
>> that are open for you. It's easy enough to find the right spoilers
>> for more details once you know what possibilities exist.
>
> No I won't be greatful for someone that wastes their own time to give
> half answers to full questions.

And there is no reason he should give full answers to every damn
person to lazy to look up what has already been written.

People like you are the reason posters become become bitter. Someone
takes the effort to put together a FAQ or a spoiler that has all the
info you could ever want but you aren't happy with it and think they
should write it all out /again/ so that you can be satisfied.

RTFM, STFW, GAFC.

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Faux_Pseudo wrote:
> People like you are the reason posters become become bitter.
> Someone takes the effort to put together a FAQ or a spoiler that
> has all the info you could ever want but you aren't happy with it
> and think they should write it all out /again/ so that you can be
> satisfied.
>
> RTFM, STFW, GAFC.

Have you ever thought it was people like you that make people like me
bitter and ungrateful for half answers. You judge quickly that your
FAQ is all useful or that you are all knowing and that what you know
should come as easy to everyone else as it comes to your grand
greatness. Well, let me tell something if you decide you want to
listen. I don't understand pets in Nethack and don't play with them
most the time. I also understand that alot of other people don't
understand pets so don't play with them. So I ask for some tangible
tips on how to use pets, how to get them, and other such information.

To the people that suggest that I read a scroll of taming while
confused I am greatful, because that is a tangible tip even if it's
not telling me everything. It is something useful to know.

This is a news group about nethack. Hence people are going to ask
questions about Nethack. If you want people to be greatful for your
time, then actualy take the time to give an answer that offers
tangible knowledge. If people like me make people like you bitter,
then good. I've asked a question about something that involves this
newsgroup, and instead of taking the time to answer it you have taken
the time to tell me I should be grateful for wasting my time.

If I sound bitter myself, it's because I ask questions about things I
don't understand and people like you take the time to insult me for
not knowing what you know, or not knowing how to find the information.

So if you don't like the fact that I am not greatful for your time,
then just ignore me when I ask for information because I'm not going
to bend down and offer praise to anyone that acts like the all knowing
god who has knowledge that should be horded over and not shared with
people that seek it.

--
~ Matthew M Poxson ~
54440 Rodrick-Cav-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Dungeons of Doom on level
10. Killed by a forest centaur, while helpless. - [95]

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Matt Poxson wrote:

> As for the Bug in my newsreader, I don't consider that on my end at
> all but on Mircrocraps end, and as for David's dislike toward my
> newsreader, again I don't consider their to be a problem, as any
> dislike of Mircrocrap products is a good thing.

In the NewsReader that shall not be named, the way to view David's
messages is the following:

CTRL-F3
ALT-space
ALT-M

Replying to his messages requires copy and paste and adding all ">"
signs yourself. Note that you may have to shorten line lengths as well,
to avoid broken quoting.

Please use the reply button anyway, so the thread won't be broken. Once
you get used to it, you'll hardly even notice David's problem anymore.

By the way, since I'm editing my replies anyway, I always start my
replies to him with "David Damerell unsuccesfully tried to hide:",
instead of "David Damerell wrote:".

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

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Matt Poxson wrote:

> Ungreatful
> greatful
> greatful
> greatful

Despite that you and I might like the word to be
spelled that way, it isn't.

http://www.bennetyee.org/http_webs [...] thod=exact

Despite that you might like long, involved answers
to your queries, people write FAQs and spoilers
specifically to evade the need to write long,
involved answers over and over for every new
arrival. You need to put yourself in the context of
a new arrival just one in a queue of thousands.

If you are going to start insulting people who
prefer you first to understand the existing material
from the existing sources, rather than having them
type it all again from scratch, you'll quickly find
your reputation leaving you receiving no responses
here at all. No one _owes_ you the effort of a
response, you have to _earn_ a response by showing
that you have become, on your own, as clueful as
possible without help, in how you ask your question.

When you have read the existing material in detail,
and tested what you learned there with game playing,
you can then come back and say "the spoiler says
thus and so, but I don't understand why when I try
it, this happens instead" or "..., but when I try
it, I'm still confused by this part" and find that
you will encounter a much better reception.

Sometimes, your questions will lead the author to
expand or correct the spoiler, as well, and you will
have helped the next newcomer.

FWIW

xanthian.

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"Matt Poxson" <poxsonm@comcast.net> writes:

> Faux_Pseudo wrote:
> > People like you are the reason posters become become bitter.
> > Someone takes the effort to put together a FAQ or a spoiler that
> > has all the info you could ever want but you aren't happy with it
> > and think they should write it all out /again/ so that you can be
> > satisfied.
> >
> > RTFM, STFW, GAFC.
>
> Have you ever thought it was people like you that make people like me
> bitter and ungrateful for half answers.

What a sad story, really. Big sympathies from me. I promise
never to give you a half answer.

Best,
Jakob,
score adjusted

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David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in
news:RLn*vxmIq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk:

> begin quoting Jakob Creutzig
> <creutzig@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>:
>>"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> writes:
>>>What David fails to see is that he pisses off users of all
>>>newsreaders here because this discussion keeps coming up.
>>The stereotypical rationale of the begin/end-gamers
>>to this is that they don't start the debate..
>
> Indeed; and I certainly didn't start a series of identical postings
> moaning about it.

No, you started a series of aparently identical postings that all appear
as empty. I personally can't see the difference as far as OE users are
concerned except that Boudewijn has a problem due to circumstances out of
his control, while you just seem to enjoy being difficult.

If you're going to troll, then don't be mad when people call you on it.

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On 2/28/05 8:06 AM, David Damerell wrote:
> begin quoting Jakob Creutzig <creutzig@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>:
>
>>"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> writes:
>>
>>>What David fails to see is that he pisses off users of all newsreaders
>>>here because this discussion keeps coming up.
>>
>>The stereotypical rationale of the begin/end-gamers
>>to this is that they don't start the debate..
>
> Indeed; and I certainly didn't start a series of identical postings
> moaning about it. Boudewijn should get off his high horse; he kicked off
> a spamming run to complain about it, and only avoided a BI of 20 because
> saner heads cooled him down; and I wouldn't have started if it weren't for
> that.

The relevant issue at this point being, when are you going to quit?

--
Kevin Wayne

"I came to Casablanca for the waters."
"Waters? What waters? We're in the desert?"
"I was misinformed."

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> David Damerell wrote:
>
>> Indeed; and I certainly didn't start a series of identical postings
>> moaning about it. Boudewijn should get off his high horse; he kicked
>> off a spamming run to complain about it, and only avoided a BI of 20
>> because saner heads cooled him down;
>
> Al least *I* stopped being childish and annoying.
>
>> and I wouldn't have started if it weren't for that.
>
> You didn't start this in reaction to my "message ignored" messages.
> Obviously, I reacted to *your* messages. How could I have posted one if
> you hadn't posted a "begin quoting" message first?

http://tinyurl.com/57fm2

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Benjamin Lewis, fanning the flames.

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David Damerell wrote:

> Indeed; and I certainly didn't start a series of identical postings
> moaning about it. Boudewijn should get off his high horse; he kicked
> off a spamming run to complain about it, and only avoided a BI of 20
> because saner heads cooled him down; and I wouldn't have started if
> it weren't for that.

About that BI of 20: someone earlier posted the following:

> In your case, it's collected 5 identical "message ignored" notes, none
of
> which were crossposted; this amounts to an index of 5*sqrt(1).
>
> You still have some way to go before crossing the boundary.

I wouldn't call 5 messages a "spamming run". You're greatly
exaggerating, not only in your statement above, but also in refusing to
cool down as well, and continuing to annoy quite some people in this
newsgroup with no serious reason but foolhardiness.

And note that for OE users, your own messages would also be counted as a
spamming run. You've posted many more than 20 of them over the last two
months, where I stopped after five of them, and I got to see the folly
of my ways.

--
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The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

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David Damerell wrote:

> Boudewijn should get off his high horse [...]

I got off my high horse about a month and a half ago, when I stopped
posting my "message ignored" postings, admitted I had been childish,
apologised, and mended my ways.

I suggest you reread several of your own postings on this subject,
consider who's currently sitting on a high horse, think again, then come
back complaining if you still feel the same.

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

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David Damerell wrote:

>> Boudewijn Waijers wrote:
>>> At least *I* stopped being childish and annoying.

> Boudeiwjn stopped his spam run; I never started one.

Daivd, :-)

I was talking about being childish and annoying, not about spamming.

I never said you started a spam run: I merely stated that your latest
run of one and a half month of postings starting with "begin quoting"
would, to a clueless unknowing OE user, be similar to a run of spam.

Mind you, most of them *are* clueless that their newsreader is faulty,
and I don't think this newsgroup is the place to educate them. Your
intentions are good, but, as almost always, the end does not justify the
means.

And, as I've said before, a total of 5 (five) identical messages does
*not* constitute a spam run.

--
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The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

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Richard Bos wrote:
> "Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:

>> And, as I've said before, a total of 5 (five) identical messages does
>> *not* constitute a spam run.

> Nevertheless, I'd like to add here that I was literally _one_ post
> away from doing the same as David (and that before I'd noticed that
> David had started doing so).

David is still using that accursed header, and I haven't plonked him
yet. I may even note that I still take the trouble to open his posts the
difficult ways and read them, because I value his opinion on NetHack,
which is what this newsgroup should be about.

Perhaps I'm a little bit more patient than some others, not only when
playing NetHack, but also in posting to this newsgroup. Note that this
newsgroup isn't know for its impatience; usually people here are
thick-skinned and have patience with one another. I used to think David
did, too.

--
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The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

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begin quoting Rast <rast2@hotmail.com>:
>Boudewijn Waijers wrote on Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:17:46 +0100:
>>David is still using that accursed header, and I haven't plonked him
>>yet.
>Just do it already. Please. David could then plonk you back,

I did when he started his spam run, actually, so I am only replying to his
comments on the subject when quoted.
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