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Greetings. I have had this idea for a while to create a game in
which I could make my stats low enough, level drain myself, then
make them high enough and gain an xp level to boost maxhp and maxpw.
This is a long post, I'll try to explain this thoroughly. I tried to
search the group to see if this has been discussed before but I
couldn't find anything, so I decided to write this post.
Now I have managed to make a test game at Fishpool's public nethack
server - see http://pp.fishpool.fi/~nethack/ - to test my theory.
I decided to play a tourist because of PYEC and the abundance of the
items in the quest. I was originally planning to make two helms of
brilliance of which other one would be -5 and other +5, but I found
out that the difference isn't enough.
Now I have these items and a spell to aid myself in my quest:
a - the blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius (weapon in hands)
k - an uncursed fireproof +2 dunce cap
B - a blessed rustproof +5 helm of brilliance (being worn)
V - a blessed fireproof +5 robe (being worn)
q - an uncursed -5 ring of gain constitution
Q - an uncursed +6 ring of gain constitution (on right hand)
p - remove curse 3 clerical 0%
My current stats:
Jaakko the Voyager St:18/90 Dx:23 Co:24 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18
Neutral
Dlvl:31 $:1057 HP:667(667) Pw:42(387) AC:-42 Xp:22/20000474 T:79100
I use copypasted strings to accomplish the set of operations that are
required to make this exploit work. The first one takes off the good
items and puts on the bad ones. After using that, I check quickly
that the stats are down, and then use another one that will level
drain myself with the Staff of Aesculapius by throwing it on my head,
remove the bad ring and put on the good one.
After that, I'll cast remove curse manually until successful - the
fail% is 44 when I have the dunce cap on, poor tourist me - and when
I feel that someone is helping me, I take off the dunce cap, wear the
helm of brilliance and find any monster to kill.
I will now copypaste all messages from a successful round:
HP:667(667) Pw:42(387), Co:24 In:23
What do you want to remove? [QWX or ?*]
You were wearing an uncursed +6 ring of gain constitution (on right
hand).
What do you want to put on? [cflqxENOQ or ?*]
q - an uncursed -5 ring of gain constitution (on right hand).
What do you want to take off? [BHJV or ?*]
You finish taking off your helmet.
What do you want to wear? [kB or ?*]
You finish your dressing maneuver.--More--
The dunce cap glows black for a moment.--More--
You feel like sitting in a corner.
# OK, I'm ready to level drain myself.
Co:13 In:6
What do you want to throw? [$ab or ?*]
In what direction?
The blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius almost hits the
ceiling, then
falls back on top of your head.--More--
The Staff of Aesculapius drains your life! Aloha level 22.--More--
Your dunce cap does not protect you.--More--
The blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius hits the floor.
You are blasted by the Staff of Aesculapius' power!--More--
a - the blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius.
What do you want to wield? [- abes or ?*]
You are blasted by the Staff of Aesculapius' power!--More--
a - the blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius (weapon in hands).
# Now I'm Jaakko the Journeyer, xp-lvl 21. Time to remove the bad
# items.
What do you want to remove? [qWX or ?*]
You were wearing an uncursed -5 ring of gain constitution (on right
hand).
What do you want to put on? [cflqxENOQ or ?*]
Q - an uncursed +6 ring of gain constitution (on right hand).
Choose which spell to cast
You feel like someone is helping you.
What do you want to take off? [kHJV or ?*]
You finish taking off your helmet.
What do you want to wear? [kB or ?*]
You finish your dressing maneuver.
# That's better! Now off to find something to kill. Not going to
# waste my precious pw points to cast create monster.
You kill the elf-lord! Welcome to experience level 22.
HP:671(671) Pw:29(392)
So, that's about it, from 667,387 to 671,392 Sometimes I get one pw
point, sometimes even seven, and thanks to the copypaste "macros",
it's really fast to make one round as long as I have mana.
Now this setting isn't of course very optimal, I think the easiest
class to use this might be wizard, and it's not necessarily easy to
gatherthe items required to make this work. Anyway, my tourist has
already gained something like 150 power points with this, I would
call that a considerable boost.
--
May you live long and prosper
Jaakko Salomaa
Greetings. I have had this idea for a while to create a game in
which I could make my stats low enough, level drain myself, then
make them high enough and gain an xp level to boost maxhp and maxpw.
This is a long post, I'll try to explain this thoroughly. I tried to
search the group to see if this has been discussed before but I
couldn't find anything, so I decided to write this post.
Now I have managed to make a test game at Fishpool's public nethack
server - see http://pp.fishpool.fi/~nethack/ - to test my theory.
I decided to play a tourist because of PYEC and the abundance of the
items in the quest. I was originally planning to make two helms of
brilliance of which other one would be -5 and other +5, but I found
out that the difference isn't enough.
Now I have these items and a spell to aid myself in my quest:
a - the blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius (weapon in hands)
k - an uncursed fireproof +2 dunce cap
B - a blessed rustproof +5 helm of brilliance (being worn)
V - a blessed fireproof +5 robe (being worn)
q - an uncursed -5 ring of gain constitution
Q - an uncursed +6 ring of gain constitution (on right hand)
p - remove curse 3 clerical 0%
My current stats:
Jaakko the Voyager St:18/90 Dx:23 Co:24 In:23 Wi:23 Ch:18
Neutral
Dlvl:31 $:1057 HP:667(667) Pw:42(387) AC:-42 Xp:22/20000474 T:79100
I use copypasted strings to accomplish the set of operations that are
required to make this exploit work. The first one takes off the good
items and puts on the bad ones. After using that, I check quickly
that the stats are down, and then use another one that will level
drain myself with the Staff of Aesculapius by throwing it on my head,
remove the bad ring and put on the good one.
After that, I'll cast remove curse manually until successful - the
fail% is 44 when I have the dunce cap on, poor tourist me - and when
I feel that someone is helping me, I take off the dunce cap, wear the
helm of brilliance and find any monster to kill.
I will now copypaste all messages from a successful round:
HP:667(667) Pw:42(387), Co:24 In:23
What do you want to remove? [QWX or ?*]
You were wearing an uncursed +6 ring of gain constitution (on right
hand).
What do you want to put on? [cflqxENOQ or ?*]
q - an uncursed -5 ring of gain constitution (on right hand).
What do you want to take off? [BHJV or ?*]
You finish taking off your helmet.
What do you want to wear? [kB or ?*]
You finish your dressing maneuver.--More--
The dunce cap glows black for a moment.--More--
You feel like sitting in a corner.
# OK, I'm ready to level drain myself.
Co:13 In:6
What do you want to throw? [$ab or ?*]
In what direction?
The blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius almost hits the
ceiling, then
falls back on top of your head.--More--
The Staff of Aesculapius drains your life! Aloha level 22.--More--
Your dunce cap does not protect you.--More--
The blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius hits the floor.
You are blasted by the Staff of Aesculapius' power!--More--
a - the blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius.
What do you want to wield? [- abes or ?*]
You are blasted by the Staff of Aesculapius' power!--More--
a - the blessed fireproof +6 Staff of Aesculapius (weapon in hands).
# Now I'm Jaakko the Journeyer, xp-lvl 21. Time to remove the bad
# items.
What do you want to remove? [qWX or ?*]
You were wearing an uncursed -5 ring of gain constitution (on right
hand).
What do you want to put on? [cflqxENOQ or ?*]
Q - an uncursed +6 ring of gain constitution (on right hand).
Choose which spell to cast
You feel like someone is helping you.
What do you want to take off? [kHJV or ?*]
You finish taking off your helmet.
What do you want to wear? [kB or ?*]
You finish your dressing maneuver.
# That's better! Now off to find something to kill. Not going to
# waste my precious pw points to cast create monster.
You kill the elf-lord! Welcome to experience level 22.
HP:671(671) Pw:29(392)
So, that's about it, from 667,387 to 671,392 Sometimes I get one pw
point, sometimes even seven, and thanks to the copypaste "macros",
it's really fast to make one round as long as I have mana.
Now this setting isn't of course very optimal, I think the easiest
class to use this might be wizard, and it's not necessarily easy to
gatherthe items required to make this work. Anyway, my tourist has
already gained something like 150 power points with this, I would
call that a considerable boost.
--
May you live long and prosper
Jaakko Salomaa