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May 9, 2001 5:52:24 PM

If you had the chance to advance any technology one step overnight which would it be?

CPU from 0.18u to 0.13u (Northwood or T-Bred)

Memory from PC800-PC1066 or DDR-QDR

FSB from 133Mhz to 150Mhz

Disks from 10k rpm to 15k

GeForce3 to Geforce4, Radeon to Radeon 2

Any others? Which technology needs to catch up?

Your call...


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May 9, 2001 6:02:54 PM

Phelk -

For what application(s)?


beans
May 9, 2001 6:06:43 PM

How about a bug free operating system from M$.

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May 9, 2001 6:13:44 PM

Any Applications, your preference.

Kiwi in the UK
May 9, 2001 6:17:11 PM

OK, I get it now.

I work with databases a lot, so I'm usually disk-bound...and gagged, etc. Give me faster mass storage so I can move on to the next bottleneck.


beans
May 9, 2001 6:19:51 PM

I would definitely say the faster (10k to 15k) hard drives. Processors and memory are so quick now that they are no longer the bottleneck. Even slow memory accesses at like 7 nanoseconds, compared to the 9 millesecond access time of hard drives. You could have an Athlon 1.3 GHz running with 512 MB of the fastest DDR-SDRAM and it still wouldn't make a computer start up that much faster, because it still has to read the hard drive.
If we could get hard drives to start accessing a lot faster, the whole system would speed up noticeably. This is why research is starting to focus on Magnetic RAM and the like. Because then you would have a hard drive that accesses as fast as your memory does. Imagine the speed improvement there...
May 9, 2001 6:33:26 PM

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How about a bug free operating system from M$.


Me too!
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May 9, 2001 6:38:22 PM

I think it's irrelivant to talk about single, isolated steps like that. The industry and technology 'evolves' over time, much as an animal or plant species.

New software and games sometimes demand new hardware, while sometimes new hardware begs for some serious applications (we're in the second situation right now!).

Seriously, I think the most beneficial increase would be to cut all prices in half. More availability equals more demand, which is bound to accelerate the development of other new products.

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May 9, 2001 6:41:55 PM

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How about a bug free operating system from M$.

Me too!


i third that. add just combine reliability with compatibility. hell, just come up with a more compatible version of Windows 2000 Pro and ill be happy. :smile:

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May 9, 2001 6:57:13 PM

I thought this was Tom's 'Hardware' Guide, not Tom's 'I want a stable OS' Guide!

Kiwi in the UK
May 9, 2001 7:46:26 PM

~ I think it's irrelivant to talk about single, isolated steps like that. The industry and technology 'evolves' over time, much as an animal or plant species. ~

I agree technology evolves, but evolution is not consistent. I am interested in THG readers views of what component they see as the evolutionary slow coach



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May 9, 2001 8:28:20 PM

Do you know of any hardware (other than power supply) that works without the OS?

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May 9, 2001 8:34:16 PM

~ Do you know of any hardware (other than power supply) that works without the OS? ~

An Abacus!

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May 10, 2001 12:24:45 AM

LOL 4000 years out of date does that show you guys how much technoligy has evolved?

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May 10, 2001 12:55:58 AM

I would agree with others in this thread. Hard drives are the main bottleneck in computer systems right now. It is the last piece of required hardware that is still based on mechanical technology & not digital. I keep hearing talk about this and that which all claim to soon replace the aging hard disk, but none ever seem to materialize into an actual working product. Any how I think that whoever actually comes up with a real alternative to hard drives will be billionaires over night.


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May 10, 2001 2:16:35 AM

Obviosly the i/o is the bottleneck of today. We need faster hard drives and faster cd-rom/dvd-rom drives. It's also time to get rid of the damn disk drive. For the love of god, that thing is soooo slow!

Can I have a second request though? I wish they would manufacture larger flatscreen monitors and 24" crt's cheaper so that we could get our hands on those without selling our organs...

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May 10, 2001 2:35:30 AM

oh yeah..now your talkin. I want a 25" LCD this 18.1 is too small.


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May 10, 2001 2:36:56 AM

I would like to see really fast large flash or equivalent storage.

I want 100GB flash drives with SDRAM access speeds and no moving parts. It is getting much bigger and much faster, just not fast or big enough.

The times of magnetic storage are getting old. 10-15 is not much faster for burst, just better overall average access rates. Let's really get silicon working for us an create more solid state drives.

I have 4 x 64Mb smartmedia cards and I remember when 20Mb used to be a really BIG hard drive.

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May 10, 2001 6:04:00 PM

Hmmmm... 25" LCD screen that sounds nice.

I use an 18.1"LCD at work and a 19"CRT at home. I really don't think I could fit anything larger than a 21"CRT at home as they are to deep but a 25"LCD would fit just right.


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May 10, 2001 6:13:09 PM

"you talk it types" --> "you think it types (and shows pictures you dirty man you)"

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May 10, 2001 7:18:03 PM

I remember reading an article a couple of months ago about a hard drive being developed by IBM. They had the thing spinning at 250,000 RPM's. It was using some sort of super strong metal. One night during testing the thing broke apart and sent fragments flying everywhere. Apparently they found fragments embedded 6 inches into a conrete wall. Imagine having something like that on your desktop happen.
May 10, 2001 7:59:41 PM

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Hard drives are the main bottleneck in computer systems right now. It is the last piece of required hardware that is still based on mechanical technology & not digital


You mean you want an <b>electronic</b> replacement for the hard disk. Cos, it already uses a digital format. ;-)

Any way, within current technological limits this is what I would want:


- fixed storage system based on non volatile high speed electronic memory modules. (Expensive but available.)

- Optical Removable Disks capable of storing 100-250 GB.

- QDR Memory.

- Highspeed bridge between the Graphics Subsystem and the Central Processor.

- Perhaps an SMT capable single CPU or maybe multiple CPUs (depending on the requirements)

- Multiple High resolution large screen displays. (May be plasma based. The pixels in TFT LCDs keep getting stuck at high framerates)

- Better Human Computer Interface (HCI). Perhaps a combination of Vocal Communication (Voice Recognition Input + Audio Output), Visual Communication Like the Elsa Display that changes the angle of view as you move around, Some sort of Two handed cursor system will make everything feel more natural, Light Pen etc.

No matter what anywone else says, The HCI is the biggest bottleneck in the current systems.


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May 10, 2001 11:45:54 PM

Now that RAM is cheap, it would be nice to see hard drives with, say, a 128MB buffer, or solid state storage, become the norm. Hey, a box full of ram and a small battery would make a great hard drive!

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May 10, 2001 11:48:16 PM

Well some SCSI hard drives come with 16mb PC100 sdram Buffers. Hope the buffers get highier.

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May 11, 2001 1:00:22 AM

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You mean you want an electronic replacement for the hard disk. Cos, it already uses a digital format. ;-)

While were at it.. hard disks already uses electronics too. :) 

Actually what I was trying to say is lets get rid of actuators, gears and bearings and leave all that mechanical stuff to cars and lawn mowers. They don’t belong in our state-of-the-art puters. :) 



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May 11, 2001 1:41:14 AM

Yeah, gimmie a couple of those 250,000 RPM hard disks and that double walled 4" inch thick Titanium Tower case. :) 


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May 11, 2001 4:26:31 AM

hahaha
bug free operating system? yeah right
u seen windows XP is gonna ship soon? still buggy as all hell
wellcome to dejavu

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have created"~Darth Vader, Star wars
May 11, 2001 4:29:22 AM

definately the ram/fsb
everything else is progressing well enough.
qdr and an interface that can use it would be a godsend.
DDR and its 10% performance bost just doesnt really cut it atm.

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have created"~Darth Vader, Star wars
May 11, 2001 5:34:35 AM

Do you guys know how hard it is to make a 25" LCD! I do agree it would be awsome but be reasonable.

XP is going to hella messed up there going to make it so you can only install it on one computer.

AND Office XP!!! By subscription! pay a yearly/monthly price for the latest Office XP software and if you dont you <b>cant</b> make new office documents!!!

What is this crazy computer world coming to?

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May 11, 2001 8:49:04 AM

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AND Office XP!!! By subscription! pay a yearly/monthly price for the latest Office XP software and if you dont you cant make new office documents!!!

Havent you heard? Micrsoft has pulled the subscription service from Office XP. So you can calm down now. Ok. take a deep breath.. thats better.



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May 11, 2001 8:53:57 AM

My system is fast enough (for now). However it would be nice to have 'instant on' (im getting close, no I got the suspend to ram working under w2k), and even better to have a fanless, and noiseless pc.

While I'm at it.. gimme a Radeon5 vid card..wouldnt hurt
May 11, 2001 5:49:17 PM

Cooling fans have moving parts, and these days, they are very much required... ;) 

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