quick question about izchak

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I have never killed Izchak.

Yet I have found some situations where I couldn't keep one of my big pets
from running rampant through Minetown and I lack a key or lockpick to lock
the door to the lighting shop.

Would stoning Izchak, for his own protection, be considered taboo?

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Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> Haakon Studebaker wrote:
>
>> Would stoning Izchak, for his own protection, be considered taboo?
>
> LOL. "It's just for your best!" - No. That's taboo, too. :-)

Ahh, didn't thought of it... - you meant to stone-to-flesh him later?

Well, I am no ethics specialist, but I'd say, each attack is bad.

Janis

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Haakon Studebaker wrote:
> Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote in
news27nc4$kg9$1
> @online.de:
>
> > Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> >> Haakon Studebaker wrote:
> >>
> >>> Would stoning Izchak, for his own protection, be considered
taboo?

> I was thinking of stone-to-fleshing then reading a scroll of taming
later
> on.

I think shopkeepers are one of monsters that are immune to taming for
technical reasons (the shopkeeper structure), whether angry or not.

- John H.

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"John H." <JohnWH@gmail.com> wrote:
>I think shopkeepers are one of monsters that are immune to taming for
>technical reasons (the shopkeeper structure), whether angry or not.

They're doubly immune to being made tame; once for the shk structure,
and even if that didn't give immunity, they're human, and humans are
untameable. However, *any* monster except Rodney, the nemeses, or Medusa
will be made peaceful if it fails its saving throw against the charm
effect.
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"Manuel" <manuel.matias@gmail.com> wrote:
>Martin Read wrote:
>> [...] However, *any* monster except Rodney, the nemeses, or Medusa
>> will be made peaceful if it fails its saving throw against the charm
>> effect.
>
>Does that include the Quest Leader? My last wizard (first character to
>reach the Quest) accidentally hit his Q.L., so everyone got angry at
>him. He cast "charm monster" quite a few times, with no result. I
>considered the game lost, and I #quit.

Inspecting the code, I can't *see* anything in tamedog() that would
prevent charm monster from making your quest leader or quest guardians
peaceful. Your quest leader is not the Wizard of Yendor, does not have
the M3_WANTSARTI strategy flag, and is not Medusa. Neferet the Green
has a saving throw of 60, so it *is* possible for charm monster to
succeed against her.

However, AFAICT, you should have been immediately (and irrevocably)
thrown out of the quest as soon as she next got an opportunity to speak
to you, even if you successfully charmed her.
--
Martin Read - my opinions are my own. share them if you wish.
My roguelike games page (including my BSD-licenced roguelike) can be found at:
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