When it all goes right...

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Bobby Schmidt <BobbySchmidt@mac.com.invalid> wrote:

> This Cleaver is powerful. I'm mowing down enemies at the rate of
> 25-30 HP/swing. Being "very fast" lets me kill almost everything
> within two turns. I feel like I'm playing the Terminator.

I'd say #twoweaponing is much more effective than the Cleaver, even with
only non-artifacts, say two +6 long swords.

d8+d4+d6 (Cleaver, average = 10,5)(2d4+2d6 againt large)
+6 (strength)
+6 (enchantment)
+2 (expert skill)
----
24,5 average damage against small monsters, 27,5pts against large


d8 (long sword, average = 4,5)(d12 against large)
+6 (strength)
+6 (enchantment)
-1 (basic skill in two-weapon)
----
15,5
x2 (two weapons)
----
31 average against small monsters, 35 against large

Please point out possible errors in my calculations...

-Heikki

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Heikki Moilanen:

> I'd say #twoweaponing is much more effective than the Cleaver, even with
> only non-artifacts, say two +6 long swords.
>
> [math elided]
>
> Please point out possible errors in my calculations...

I thought about this at the start, but decided to stay with Cleaver:

* I'd never before used it, or any other two-handed weapon. I wanted to
try something new.

* I was already at "expert" with my starting axe and wanted to take
advantage of that expertise.

* Cleaver fell into my lap, by showing up in the storeroom. It was a sign!

* I usually stop enchanting weapons and armor when they are "good enough"
rather than optimal. If my weapon enchants to +6 and my armor to +4,
I leave them there instead of working to eek out one more point. When
my character could reliably level a minotaur in three or four slices
while taking zero (or hardly any) damage, I figured the weapon & armor
were good enough.

* I usually play chaotic Priests, and ascend with either my starting mace
or Stormbringer. (I don't sacrifice for artifacts much.) The combination
of Barbarian and Cleaver seemed quite potent in comparison.

* I always muck up two-weaponing. Inevitably I'll have to periodically
wield some third thing (usually a pick axe), switch back to my real
weapon, then forget to activate two-weaponing. I've just found from
playing that single-weaponing fits me better.

--
Bobby Schmidt

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Bobby Schmidt wrote:
> Heikki Moilanen:
>
>> I'd say #twoweaponing is much more effective than the Cleaver, even with
>> only non-artifacts, say two +6 long swords.
>>
>> [math elided]
>>
>> Please point out possible errors in my calculations...
>
>
> I thought about this at the start, but decided to stay with Cleaver:
>
....
>
> * Cleaver fell into my lap, by showing up in the storeroom. It was a sign!
>

I think at this point a little bit of humility and thanks before the RNG
are *entirely* called for! Saying, "Thank you, RNG, I will use this
weapon you have given me, along with the luckstones, bags of holding,
wishes, light sources, armor..."

I don't think he'll have *any* trouble on astral :-D

--LWM

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Daniel W. Johnson wrote:
> Bobby Schmidt <BobbySchmidt@mac.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>This Cleaver is powerful. I'm mowing down enemies at the rate of
>>25-30 HP/swing. Being "very fast" lets me kill almost everything
>>within two turns. I feel like I'm playing the Terminator.
>>
>>And now it's time to knock on the Wizard's door...
>
>
> Has anyone ever been killed by a newt on the Astral Plane?
Yes - Marvin.

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Quoting Bobby Schmidt <BobbySchmidt@Mac.com>:
>* On Fire the portal was the fourth "gold" spot I tried.

Use confused gold detection on Fire, not cursed.
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