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so freaking nice, only wish my pockets were deep enough, maybe at the end of the year when other manufacturers besides tyan can produce 760mp boards I will save enough money. Gotta love those rendering times...

Reply to Anonymous

Very Impressive!
I just hope the price of the board falls quickly, I'm looking to buy In about a month. Wern't the Palaminos,Athalon4 smart Mp or whatever its called (dt/server) supposed to debut at 1.4Ghz?
Anim88tor

Reply to Anonymous

Umm...you don't need that much power to run wordpad kelder. Spend the money on fixing your trailer. Rendering? Errr...doubt you even know what that is....

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

Reply to Anonymous

And you accuse me of useless posts...

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Reply to Kelledin

LoL....all you people make me laugh....in a good way
But yes, the AthlonMP looks very impressive indeed....one thing that did worry me however is that when a single CPU was being used (Athlon 1.2) in the AMD760MP chipset....the benchmark score was slightly lower when compared to the same 1.2GHz CPU in the Single operation only AMD760 (non-MP) chipset....why would this be ?!? Ideas anyone ?!?

-MeTaL RoCkEr

Burn MF, BURN!!!

Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR

the Intel system did that as well.
dunno why...
chipset or motherboard related...
personally, for that kind of $$, I'm going to have 2 processors...

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Independant thought is good.
It won't hurt for long.

Reply to 74merc

Hmmm....I'd still like to know more as to why that happens....
Also....since the EV6 Bus Protocol is point to point for each CPU and there is a BUS dedicated to each CPU for bandwidth and what not, why aren't the scores (benchmarks) of the DUAL systems identically double of that of the single orientated versions of the same setup?

-MeTaL RoCkEr

Burn MF, BURN!!!

Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR

i want to the VIA PX266 with Dual northwood 2.0ghz go asainst the 760mp. Well Northwood L2 512kb will help it out more in smp apps.

Nice Intel and AMD users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:

Reply to rcf84

I'm just shaking my head, this is incredible. 2 bombshells sure have been dropped on Chipzilla the past 24 hours in Taiwan. They're called 760MP and nForce.

Reply to Anonymous

Dual Northwood 2.0GHz.....Now your talking about 2GHz CPU's going against 1.2GHz CPU's....Now first off how is this a fair comparison?? Your geting 1,600Mhz, respectively, increase over 2.4GHz for the AMD SMP (2x 1.2GHz CPU's)......Now that AMD has created and succesfully launched their SMP versions of the Athlon you have to go and say "Well the 2GHz SMP Northwood with 512Kb L2 Cache will blow away the AMD 760MP" thats basically what ur saying.....these are totaly different MHz ranges and it's unfair to compare them.....even still i find it quite funny how a 1.33GHz CPU outperforms a 1.7GHz CPU.......
Politics...and marketing....thats the only way the P4 is selling right now....obviously all the Intel fanatics have to wait for the "real P4" to come out.....I still dont get it thoguh, if the Northwood is the REAL P4...whats the current P4?? an imitator which is the originator to hold the name P4 ?????
Anyways...I know you'll say the P4 was originally supposed to have 512Kb L2 cache and a full blown FPU and this and that........so if this is true.....why did Intel release the P4 as a cut-down version of the originally planned product because at .18 Micron the core is to big and will create to much heat problems??? Yes, and becasue it has to keep competition going with AMD, isn't it ?? Because until Tualitan is released the PIII core cant scale even close to the Athlon's....So Intel is selling us, consumers useless products which is going to be phased out and have no support for after Northwood is out.....no more Socket 423.....anyways....im no AMD Zealot or belong to that band wagon....I'm still running an old Celeon 300A @ 450MHz......but I look at both perspectives and I just see that Intel is taking the x86 community as fools....and a lot of you people are following in there escapade....

-MeTaL RoCkEr

Burn MF, BURN!!!

Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR

I read somewhere about a firm developing a medium that will allow computers to run 30 times faster than they do today. So if you consider the typical product cycle of cpu's in the industry we should really be seeing huge leaps forward in about a years time. I mean HUGE!!. If anyone else saw it on tv or cable can you drop me a line with a link or company name, thanks in advance.

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Reply to Anonymous

AMD's First Dual Athlon

=-)

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Reply to Anonymous

I think what it has to come down to is cost of ownership. If you can have a dual 2ghz northwood P4 setup go up against Amds same price range (or lower for sure) and still have it beat it then why not praise it even though you need to have the clock way higher. Although that will never happen.

Reply to Anonymous

Everyone said 1.4ghz too, dunno. I just can't wait to see a dual board with all the multiplier/fsb/voltage options that good overclocking boards have today. It will be interusting to see how the lesser heat output of the AthlonMP will convert in overclockability.

Reply to Anonymous

Yeah, thats the whole issue with even considering Xeon right now. Without even considering the mobo (I couldn't find Iwill's DX400-SN anywhere), Athlon MP is incredibly cheaper. $250 for a 1.2GHz Athlon MP, $599 was the cheapest I found for Xeon. Plus there's the RDRAM issue which I don't need to explain do I?

Reply to Anonymous

you've just got major wood for that extra 256k l2 cache, don't you?
it aint the holy grail man, say something new...

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Independant thought is good.
It won't hurt for long.

Reply to 74merc

I agree, I was simply saying its not only the 760mp that does it.

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Independant thought is good.
It won't hurt for long.

Reply to 74merc

heres a few reasons why athlomMP sucks

1) Requires a $700-800 Tyan mobo
2) Requires a new case to house the special new power supply
3) Requires a special 460W power supply you can only get from Delta or NMB
4) Requires registered DDR DIMMs
5) Supports only 33mhz 64bit PCI bus between North and South bridge
6) Gets spanked hard by the 1.7ghz dual Xeon according to THG
7) Allows for running processors at different clock speeds, but isn't stable when doing so.
8) Beats dual 1.7ghz Xeons on certain old versions of FPU intensive app's as long as you don't upgrade to the latest SSE2 optimized version.

Reply to Anonymous

And there you have it, Just like I told you months ago. AMD has gimped the spec on the 760MP to validate it and get it to the market. yes, same can be said for P4 @ .18 for testing.

While major hacking was done inside the 760MP, its kinda funny how its taking them too long to document the actual changes vs what the white papers claimed. This throws up red indicating huge changes in 760MP to clear validation @ 1.2Ghz. AMD is holding back higher speed processors preventing you from attempting these on 760MP. also to milk max dollars in the mean time.

Its a good first attempt at SMP, they will get better in time. Only when these are actually in peoples hands will we know more about compatability and stability, whitch has always plagued AMD chipsets.

Expect higher chip prices, to offset R&D to keep this thing moving.

Reply to FUGGER

bobl your an idiot I swear....
P4 came out...It needed its own Power supply unit and case design blah blah blah...rdram still costs a bundle...it DOESNT spank the AMD 760MP........those benchmarks are worthless anyways in the workstation/server market
got to www.anandtech.com and look at benchmarks that MATTER.........and notice how even a DUAL Duron 850 Setup can SPANK the Xeon 4 is some things.....and especially at price/performance.....wake up moron.........dissin' one company and saying the other is better is just gonna start another flame war.......one product is better in some things....and the other is better in others....whats the biggie????.......cant u just agree that ur fanny INTEL Processors aren't the greatest?? Just like AMD's aren't either....

-MeTaL RoCkEr

AMD = Always Making Dough... =)

Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR

1) Doesn't require Tyan board. More will come, it was just released after all.
2) New case?
3)So, the P4 needed new psu. Things change and so does the power requirements
4)That is Tyan specific
5)Tyan specific
6)Xeon does win in some, what you gonna pay?
7)Who would?
8)Not everything can be SSE2 optimized, these 'old' FPU apps are still used regularly today and are a standard benchmark to test FPU performance. They can't won't be SSE2.

9) you've listed a lot of things that are pretty silly to complain about considering half aren't what you would see with a different mobo.

Reply to Anonymous

Here....straight from Anandtech

"If you can't tell by now, we're very impressed with the AMD 760MP chipset. In fact, one of the reasons we spent so long on this comparison is because the outcome of our results would influence what platform we used in our next database server for the AnandTech Forums. The choice is simple; the AMD 760MP is the DP workstation and server platform to have. It's reliable, it's high performing and it's very flexible; everything you'd expect from an Intel based server solution, except that it's from AMD instead."

Who's gonna argue with that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Except the fact that Intel doesnt make the best.....Neither company does....all you people have to stop dissin' AMD and saying how there products arent good becasue there not compatible and not stable and this and that...like whatever buddy.......I've never seen any issues...I've heard of them...and every time it was from user error......or better known as 'UU' (User Unawareness)
Thats my piece of the puzzle...

-MeTaL RoCkEr

AMD = Always Making Dough... =)

Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR

>1) Requires a $700-800 Tyan mobo

Ok, your credibility goes to pot right here. Search pricewatch for "Tyan Thunder K7". Prices range from $560 to $595. MicroX-Press seems to have made it their loss leader @ $266, except I couldn't actually find it on their site, so it's probably BS.

>2) Requires a new case to house the special new power supply

Does it? There are 1U systems for this board available already. If they can make a 1U PS for this, it should be possible to make one for a standard ATX case. The new connectors suck though.

BTW: Doesn't the P4 need a special case & PS?

>4) Requires registered DDR DIMMs

Sure beats RDRAM.

>5) Supports only 33mhz 64bit PCI bus between North and South bridge

The PCI bus doesn't connect the north & south bridges. The bandwidth is the same, but it's a seperate bus.

>6) Gets spanked hard by the 1.7ghz dual Xeon according to THG

Spanks the dual Xeon pretty hard in Anandtechs article. Frankly, Tom's article is pretty poor, particularly for SMP systems.

If you look at price/performance ratio, the Xeon solution is really beaten.

>7) Allows for running processors at different clock
>speeds, but isn't stable when doing so.

And why would you ever do this?
Do Intel MP solutions support this?

>8) Beats dual 1.7ghz Xeons on certain old versions of FPU
>intensive app's as long as you don't upgrade to the latest
>SSE2 optimized version.

I don't know whether SSE2 optimized stuff was used. It would be interesting if it was since the Palimino has SSE now. It also beat the Xeon solution for database serving, linux kernel compiles, etc.

Cognite Tute
(Think for Yourself)

Reply to Anonymous

"Its a good first attempt at SMP, they will get better in time. "

Oh my God, Fugger..!! Are you okay ? This is an AMD chipset you know ? Its not intel ! Are you feeling okay ? Did someone hack your nick ?

---- Owner of the only Dell computer with a AMD chip

Reply to Anonymous

right... the cpus are amazing and cheap... the motherboards will just have to follow wont they?

you do not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong

Reply to killall

yes, no one can say that you ever get full support for a product when it first comes out, Tyan was choosing by amd to be the sole provider of a 760mp solution because amd is first targeting the server market specifically. Tyan makes the best server boards. I wouldn't even want to have that board because it comes with many things that I would not care for in a desktop.

Edited by m_kelder on 06/05/01 03:10 PM.

Reply to Anonymous

of course AMD wants to make millions, and they do it how they can, maybe by holding back newer and faster things to get the max amount of money that they can on current products... you act like AMD is the only company that does this or something. i can assure you that Intel, Microsoft, and many many many other companies have done this as well, it's not a crime it's just a business practice. i would do it to if i were in charge of such an operation, and i'm sure you would too. you complain about this action too much, just can it already.

Reply to Anonymous

yeah, you have to understand that amd stands at still making money with the tbird core, this is why they had the Athlon4 for mobile and AthlonMP come out before the desktop. They are first targeting markets which they had no or little experience while still making a good profit from the desktop market without having the new product in there yet. You gonna complain how Intel and Amd have the celeron and duron at lower clock rates even though they could release they at higher clock rates easy? In business you don't lay out all your cards at once, you do better by choosig how you win.

Reply to Anonymous

1) Requires a $700-800 Tyan mobo
Look at Tyan S2603 for Dual Xeon 4 it costs barely (???) <A HREF="http://www.acmemicro.com/price1.htm" target="_new">$838</A> compared to Tyan S2462UNG for Dual AMD really expensive (!!!) <A HREF="http://www.atacom.com/program/atacom_www.cgi?cart_id=3706970_63_29_131_234&USER_ID=www&Pagecode=4|MBP2|MBA7|MBP5|MBAC" target="_new">$559</A>.

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.

Reply to khha4113

Hey rcf84, here's a quote for you from THG:

Quote :

To make matters worse for Intel, the company’s new mPGA476 socket i845 motherboards (also known as Northwood in our past discussions of Intel’s roadmap) that support single channel SDRAM for the Pentium 4 are proving less than compelling, despite driving much lower cost P4 systems.

Any thoughts, since you seem to mention Northwood in almost every post you make? The whole article is here: <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/technews/index.html" target="_new">http://www.tomshardware.com/technews/index.html</A>

Reply to tlaughrey

Hey FrUD, I didn't know that you wasted bandwidth on this forum too. Nice cut and paste job from EC, btw.

Reply to Anonymous

memory latency and bandwisth will be the big one probably.

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Reply to peteb

FUGGER I don't know if you've read the AnandTech review of 760MP, but if you didn't you should. He reports excellent performance (much better for servers than Pentium 3 XEONS) and rock solid stability in his testing.

AMD chipsets are actually known for being more stable than other chipsets for the Athlon platform. I mean, the 750 was the most stable for the classic Athlons and 760MP is the best performing and most stable chipset for TBirds. AMD will get better as they don't have nearly the experience as Intel, so it takes them more time to get them perfect, which is why it took so long for 760MP to come out.

We won't see higher prices, because that's how AMD has to compete with Intel. Even if the prices do go up some, they'd still be cheaper than anything Intel has to offer.

"Trying is the first step towards failure."

Reply to ksoth

Considering that the 760MP has only been available for one day, I don't think you can say anything about the stability yet. The reviews look good though.

Cognite Tute
(Think for Yourself)

Reply to Anonymous

Quote :

bobl your an idiot I swear....
P4 came out...It needed its own Power supply unit and case design blah blah blah...rdram still costs a bundle...it DOESNT spank the AMD 760MP........those benchmarks are worthless anyways in the workstation/server market
got to www.anandtech.com and look at benchmarks that MATTER.........and notice how even a DUAL Duron 850 Setup can SPANK the Xeon 4 is some things.....and especially at price/performance.....wake up moron.........dissin' one company and saying the other is better is just gonna start another flame war.......one product is better in some things....and the other is better in others....whats the biggie????.......cant u just agree that ur fanny INTEL Processors aren't the greatest?? Just like AMD's aren't either....

-MeTaL RoCkEr

AMD = Always Making Dough... =)

Congradualtions MeTaL RoCkEr you are today's Silly lil Hypocrite! For this you win a brand new llama, a great pet for such an intelligent guy! Hell of a job man!

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Reply to BuGaLoU

Ok you called him a hypocrite.. mind telling us for what? Or do you just want to call him a hypocrite and have us all believe you?

Reply to AeroSnoop

Also note that Tom did that with 2 thunderbirds not AthlonMP.

It couldn't run a couple of benchmarks but ran everything else fine.

This chipset is not for a tbird or duron...according to AMD.

96.3 % of Statistics are made up.

Reply to mjdunn

Listen Aerosnoop...if your going to make useless posts at least make them funny. Something like...Why did the leprocorn stick his head up the fairy's dress? Cos he wanted to be a goblin...get it goblin..hehehe....lick..lick ...suck....

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Reply to Anonymous

No thanks tonestar, I don't have to make my posts funny to cover up lack of actual knowledge like some people. Thanks for the tip though. Btw - I was merely trying to find the reason why that person was being called a hypocrite. If I said I knew your mom was a whore wouldn't you want some proof?

Reply to AeroSnoop

If your so knowledgable why not just contribute something then instead of boring us to tears with your waffle? Make it smart or make it funny...or else just f*@k off!!.....What do you call two dead cats on the road? .....Flatmates.....

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

Reply to Anonymous

Because he is one, and being a hypocrite is very weak minded.

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Reply to BuGaLoU

now do a post on the Xeon crap and put both prices out and see whos is better

Reply to Atolsammeek

Quote :

If your so knowledgable why not just contribute something then instead of boring us to tears with your waffle?

You should take your own advice!

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.

Reply to khha4113

At least I throw in the odd bit of humour sometimes...what about you? Rectum licker.

When the big texan with the big shoulders and the big hat replied to the question "how big is your...." he replied: "4 inches"

"4 inches off the floor that is"

"Cock-a-doodle-do" is what I say to my girl when I wake her UP in the morning!!

Reply to Anonymous

Yawnnnn!.....

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.

Reply to khha4113

You throw in the odd bit of garbage. You haven't made even one remotely amusing post on this thread. And your posts are by far the most useless.

Kelledin

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Reply to Kelledin

You not smart + you not funny = why you here?

why you here= mum bonks drugy loser + feels to guilty to strangle you

work out the matrix on that one!!! (forum, not kelledin (he's too stupid))

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Reply to Anonymous

Quote :

why are you here?

Because I actually help people, in case you didn't notice. I've even gone so far as to do a little GPL coding work to help one or two of the people on this board. You pretty much just spew filth and try to make up BS about anyone who disagrees with you.

Kelledin

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Reply to Kelledin

I still dont see how I was/am being week minded or hypocrtical....I sismply said "Can't you agree that Intel doesn't make the best products??? Just like AMD"...meaning AMD doesnt make the best products either......so where does it make me a hypocrite anywhere here?

-MetaL RoCkEr

AMD = Always Making Dough... =)

Reply to MeTaLrOcKeR

Umm...were you the dumb twat that told me you designed a ship but couldn't provide any proof? Please tell me so I can abuse you senseless.

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