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June 10, 2001 12:59:11 PM

We all know that the AMD having the fastest processor will come to an end soon. Intel will have the speed lead for a little bit. Will this affect what CPU you buy?

I know I don't care who is faster just that I can get this fast of a machine without breaking the bank.

Unless AMD really screws up (put out crap processor or charge to much money for them) My next processor will be an AMD...maybe a BARTON.



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June 10, 2001 1:17:44 PM

It all depends on value. If they can offer at least what AMD does in overall price/performance, I will.

But I will not spend hundreds of dollars more for a cpu that gives me percentage points of improvement. At the speeds of computers today, it would have to be at least a 50% speed increase over AMD. Even then, I am not sure that I want to pay hundreds more. For now, AMD is fast enough.

I need to wait for the following:

1. The release of the Northwood.
2. Pricing structure of Northwood.
3. The release of nForce.

Don't forget, the Palomino coupled with the nForce chipset might offer system price/performance that simply cannot be matched by Intel. We need to wait for nForce as well, to see if the chipset is all it is made out to be.

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June 10, 2001 1:26:41 PM

I only thought of this because I have always used Intels and a year ago made the switch...and I wonder how many people will go back to Intel. I don't have any plans of yet. I can't wait to see the new offerings from both sides.

From the little I have seen of the nForce (every article I could read) I can't wait to get my hands on one.

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June 10, 2001 2:36:19 PM

I'm currently using a 1.33AMD@1.55

I will use for my next upgrade whatever makes for the fastest and most socially acceptable PC (i.e. not a custom rackmount/twin tower/jet engine).

If this is a 3Ghz Northwood, 2.5Ghz Athlon4 or a dual of either - or a quad Cyrix 4Ghz if it exists, is stable and faster than the others.

I am not really cash limited, so I will just get whatever the best toy is as the time. When I bought, AMD was. Right now P4@1.7 and the 1.4AMD are stacking up pretty evenly. In 6 months or whatever it is - we'll see, but I am certainly not adverse to any architecture (except maybe MAC) as long as it does the job the fastest. My previous PC is/was Intel (now running 1.036Ghz) so I have no problems with either.

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June 10, 2001 2:39:25 PM

I'll go with whoever has the best bang for the buck for the type of stuff I do.

why would anyone do otherwise?

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June 10, 2001 3:35:31 PM

If Intel gets their act together I probably will.

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June 10, 2001 3:58:16 PM

I haven't left Intel yet. Blame via.
nForce,.. Sweet...

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June 10, 2001 5:25:21 PM

I used to use Intel only. No more. Currently, I have two AMD machines -- Duron at home and Athlon at work. In the future, I'll do my research and go with whatever make sense for me, AMD or Intel or ??? Lemming is such a sad creature...

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June 10, 2001 5:32:18 PM

Intel releasing a SDRAM northwood chipset (i845). Via having a SMP northwood Chipset(PX266). ALi, SiS, ATi, Serverworks having Northwood chipsets. Well im guessing Northwood is going to kick some serious A$$.

Even Intel hate RDRAM. Go team QDR-SDRAM !!!

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June 10, 2001 5:36:17 PM

If AMD and Intel have fairly comparable processors, I'm going to stick with AMD. The only way I'd go back to Intel is if AMD falls way behind in performance over the next couple of years. I don't need to upgrade right away, so it will be interesting to see what happens with Northwood, nForce, RDRAM, DDR, and Athlon during that time. My hope is that I'll be able to buy another AMD processor in two years without feeling like I'm giving up anything.

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June 10, 2001 5:53:49 PM

Northwood and i845 are a couple of steps in the right direction indeed. However, IMHO, dissing VIA and nVidia is not a smart move -- see
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092299,0...
Has Intel ever heard of the strategy of working with one's secondary rivals to knock off one's chief rival (then taking care of the secondary rivals later)??

In any event, given Intel's recent track record, I'll wait and see exactly what happens when Northwood comes out and compare it to whatever the newest AMD offering before I pass any judgment.

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June 10, 2001 5:58:08 PM

Oops, sorry. I meant to reply to rcf84.

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June 10, 2001 6:08:31 PM

Well VIA is making processors on the Intel Platform. After some VIA will make a fast processor on the Socket 478 attacking Northwood. Also Intel doesn't need nvidia. They have an ATi chipset(i810 for northwood) coming with Rage 128pro graphics and an UMA 128bit DDR/SDR support.

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June 10, 2001 6:35:22 PM

VIA is no treat to Intel in terms of CPUs. It makes cheap but lower-performance chipsets, and it's also established. Having it around can help push P4/Northwood into the mainstream market.

As for Nvidia, it appears to be an aggressive, highly competent company. Why push it into your enemy's corner while you having a hard time fending off your enemy? After all, no matter how Intel tries to spin it, Intel is losing market share to AMD.

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June 10, 2001 7:19:09 PM

Switch back to Intel? The real question is if I will ever switch back to AMD! I had to work my way UP to Intel. The only way I'll switch back to AMD is if someone releases a truely great chipset for them. nVidia and SiS are really trying hard, we'll see what the fruits of their labor are this fall!
You know, I used to hate Intel because of the way they pushed their cutomers around, forcing outrageous prices, slow speed upgrades, etc. So my first high-end systems were all AMD. I just go t fed up with VIA and issues I had with configuring VIA eqiped systems. The more cards you add, the worse it gets. And all my systems are full, so it got pretty bad with them.

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June 10, 2001 8:06:23 PM

Crashman,

Sorry for not asking a questions towards the Intel owner...

How many of you guys thinking maybe intel maybe amd?

Sorry to hear that you have had problems with VIA...We have talked once about this...I am the one that is always having troubles with the i815 boards.

I hope the nforce is everything and more...same goes with Northwood.

I like the way nvidia is going to do the drivers.

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June 10, 2001 8:30:03 PM

I REALLY like the T-bird. But I own a PIII 700@933, simply becuase of the stability my BX platform offers. My wife has my CUSL2 now, which is a faster platform, but is equiped with a much slower Celeron 566@901. That platform was also very stable for me. The only reason she got it is because she needed a Desktop case, and my platform has integrated SB Live Platinum 5.1 with the extra features built into a TOWER case. So she also has my Vortex2 card, which is OK, because it's superior sound quality comes in handy for the home theater her computer is connected to.
Both platforms are far superior to ALL the AMD/VIA systems I have owned or worked on. Too bad the T-Bid won't work on an Intel chipset. But we will soon see what SiS and nVidia have to offer in their new chipsets.

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June 10, 2001 8:38:46 PM

I think (hope) the asus nforce will have a raid controller.
I read an article at the register that said it would have a GF2 GTS vid card. Was that a misprint?
It still support an agp4x slot so who cares.

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June 10, 2001 8:45:36 PM

I probably stay with "alternative" platform: I haven't really ever owned a system with Intel CPU/chipset (even thougt I have troubleshooted many and build some) and I don't miss them at all. Unless Intel will make some kick-ass hardware cheaper (e.g. with better price/performance ratio) than offerings from AMD and others, I see no reasons start using it... so far I have used VIA-based mobos without problems...
June 10, 2001 9:05:14 PM

I would happily go back to Intel if they offered a solution with better performance and price than AMD. After all, when the K6-II's and III's were out, I was still buying the PII and PIII, just for the performance. Now I use AMD systems, and very happily as well.

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June 10, 2001 9:06:06 PM

As so many venders point out, the MX is a "version" of the GTS. What they fail to point out is that it is a cut down version! The integrated graphics in the nVidia chipset should surpass the current MX do to increase memory bandwith and a faster internal interface. It may even match the current GTS, but it's too early to tell.

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June 10, 2001 10:01:31 PM

I'll definitely go back if Intel gets their act together and cleans up some of the loose ends. I think they got a little sloppy over the last year or so, after AMD took the performance crown away. The latest stuff they've put out has been too rushed, but if this blow serves as a wake up call, and they get their ball rolling agian, and put out a better product at a competive price, I will be buying an Intel system again. Waiting for some Northwood and nForce benchmarks is like a kid waiting for christmas. We know it's comming, and we have a good idea when, but we just have to wait patiently. Too bad there's no real way to go looking through hiding places for presents.

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June 11, 2001 1:19:31 AM

Well....

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June 11, 2001 1:20:36 AM

I've built several Intel and more than a half dozen AMD.

But I can only go back to INTEL under these conditions:
1) When Intel chipsets use sdram or DDR.
2) I will only buy an intel M/B if I can adjust the FSB.
3) When INTEL finally makes a CPU that doesn't have to be 25% fatser to keep up with a comparable AMD.
4) When INTEL charges no more than $20 more for a comparably rated AMD component.

If INTEL CAN get these things through there stupid heads,
Then YES, I will go back to INTEL.

BTW: If NForce is stable and fast and Palomino holds it's
price performance against INTEL AT 25% higher clcok speeds
then INTEL is going to have to wait a good deal longer to try and win me back.


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June 11, 2001 2:31:23 AM

1) When Intel chipsets use sdram or DDR.
why? price, or technical. Would you use RD-RAM if it was the same price as DDR and better performing?

2) I will only buy an intel M/B if I can adjust the FSB.
what about non-Intel boards?

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June 11, 2001 5:00:22 PM

I don't have anything really technical against RDRAM, In fact it may become the future for all I know. But I've heard that it's harder to get good samples of RDRAM in the fabrication process and thus it's always going to be more expensive. And then there's that latency thing. But yeah, it's the price/performance thing again. When I said I only wanted a chipset that uses SD/DDR, I was referring to things as they stand right now. Next year there may be some new type of RAM.

And I could buy a non-INTEL/board for Pentium....But since the question was, what would it take for intel to get me back, I considered tha to mean possibly buying an INTEL board as well.

I put an INTEL BX440SE in with my old PII400 and it's the most stable system I own....and the most boring, because there isn't a damn thing I can tweak on it , lol


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June 11, 2001 6:31:51 PM

"and the most boring, because there isn't a damn thing I can tweak on it"

Funny that you mention this.. had the same with my old Dell P3-500. It was fast enough, it was stable, but it was no fun. Had a great time upgrading the dell pc to a duron, and overclocking it.

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June 11, 2001 6:32:51 PM

"We all know that the AMD having the fastest processor will come to an end soon. "

I dont know this.. do you ?

"Will this affect what CPU you buy?"

No. I mean, I rarely buy the fastest hardware out there.. usually dont need it, especially not the fastest CPU's. The only apps that I currently use, that require some cpu horsepower, are games. We all know GPUs are much more important than cpu's when it comes to games, so that is where I will be investing in (GF3). I might upgrade my current Duron 600@933 to pali 1.3-1.5 this fall, but after that, I dont think I'll require a cpu upgrade for a very long time. No matter how well northwood or barton or whatever will perform.. I just dont think I'll need it, so I wont buy it until I have to.

When time comes, I'll simply buy whatever suits my needs, regardless of brand. Not necesarely the fastest performer, but a fast enough performer.



---- Owner of the only Dell computer with a AMD chip
June 11, 2001 10:24:17 PM

AMD is finally getting some decent chipsets. still will not sell or use one.

So you have I845, northwood, RDRAM @ 1066, SSE2, and much more rolling out next month.

Best place to watch the real show would be at www.madonion.com where people will be posting 9k+ scores in 2001 bench. Geforce3 has more benchmarks to run compared for Geforce2 (alien, man fishing, nature), I need to de-select those and run again.

Maybe Rayston can give us a update on the Samsung 2Ghz RDRAM samples.

4 way Itanium servers are ready, now were looking at "Numaflex"ing them beyond reality(512 processors+) with a 10Gig crossbar switch. no NDA on wtf we do with NUMA.

Did I mention that AMD's Hammer will be based upon NUMA 1.0? rated at 1.6Gig per sec. Even tho this is superior to EV6 is still blows goats compared to 716Gig per sec BUS on our current products. Bummer Intel will get superior bus while AMD has already started fitting NUMA.

Not sure what AMD was thinking, but a few days after announcing the purchase of cross license of NUMA, it was all removed upon discovering the design limitations imposed upon the license.

While Im playing on my 2Ghz Northwood you will be deciding on the chipset in your next rig knowing the last time you made that decision it was the wrong one (All AMD chipsets suck currently or at least thats whats the blame for the incompatabilities and instabilities).

Thermal protection, sure its on the new chips and its not on yours. makes you feel so much better huh? gonna upgrade soon? good thing you waited on buying, now you just gotta wait a little longer for a chipset to reach the market.

Sure the price is jacked paying more the the "MP" version at a slower speed. but your used to being jacked but the higher price might force your head to explode.
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June 12, 2001 6:27:39 AM

"Best place to watch the real show would be at www.madonion.com where people will be posting 9k+ scores in 2001 bench"

So ? I dont care if there are people that score 20.000. As long as *my* games run smooth at 1024x768x32 full detail, Im happy. I dont upgrade to boast about my benchmarks.

"While Im playing on my 2Ghz Northwood you will be deciding on the chipset in your next rig knowing the last time you made that decision it was the wrong one"

Come again ? It wasnt wrong by a long shot. I couldnt be more happy with my current setup. As I was with my P3 some years ago. You play with whatever you like.. I dont care if its a 4 Ghz Northwood. If I'd require one, I'd buy one. But unlike you, I will be able to upgrade my current setup from a lowly 600 to a 1.5+ Ghz by just swapping the cpu.

"Thermal protection, sure its on the new chips and its not on yours. "

No.. but my motherboard supports it, so I dont care.. dont care anyway about thermal protection. My cpu costed me less than $30. Performs like a $300 intel cpu (pentium3 850, prices of 4 months ago here).

"gonna upgrade soon? good thing you waited on buying, now you just gotta wait a little longer for a chipset to reach the market. "

Not sure what your point is. Im not waiting for any chip, Im waiting for a need to upgrade. Dont have this right now, so I wont upgrade for now. When that changes, I'll simply see whats on the market, and buy whatever suits my needs. That wont be a 2 Ghz Northwood, nor a Barton.

"Sure the price is jacked paying more the the "MP" version at a slower speed."

So ? Dont buy an MP then. At least any amd cpu will do SMP if you want to. Or how does a P4 Xeon differ from a regular P4, other than the price ?

"but your used to being jacked but the higher price might force your head to explode."

Get a life.






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