ready for Gehennom (and YASD)

[ANON]

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Update: After wiping the floor with the undead in the Valley (including
a master lich), I'm starting to believe my barbarian is invincible,
which will probably result in my most spectacular, embarrassing YASD to
date.

Questions:

1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
scroll failed)

2. Any special, super-sekret tips for Gehennom?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Yggdrasil]

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in my experience, I haven't found that peaceful creatures of any sort
can be further tamed, and all attempts at charming/taming demons and
some other creatures has only resulted in peaceful, not pets. I could
be wrong, but AFAIK if a creature is already peaceful, that's how it'll
stay. I suppose you could whack it (to de-peaceful it) and then try
taming it, though I'm not sure that would be a fabulous idea with
Yeenoghu (Jubilex I rarely have any real trouble with as long as I have
a unicorn horn)

-y

 

[Guest]

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yggdrasil wrote:
> in my experience, I haven't found that peaceful creatures of any sort
> can be further tamed, and all attempts at charming/taming demons and
> some other creatures has only resulted in peaceful, not pets. I could
> be wrong, but AFAIK if a creature is already peaceful, that's how it'll
> stay. I suppose you could whack it (to de-peaceful it) and then try
> taming it, though I'm not sure that would be a fabulous idea with
> Yeenoghu (Jubilex I rarely have any real trouble with as long as I have
> a unicorn horn)

Contrary to your experience, I had a monk that tamed the Titan from
Medusa's lair. Awesome pet: she helped retrieve all the gold from the
Minetown priest and enabled some extra protection buys (followed by gold
retrieval, of course at another couple of temples in the Dungeons of
Doom. Inadvertantly left her behind when going to the Plane of Earth
because she was eating when I whistled her next to the stairs up, though.

My guess for the original poster is that demons have a very low chance
of successful taming, if any at all. It has a lot to do also with base
level of the creature as compared to level of the spell. If you're using
a scroll of taming, your chances are pretty poor with higher level
creatures because it is the equivalent of charm monster cast by a
lower-level character (I don't know exact level).

-Ken

 

[Guest]

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anon wrote:

>
> 1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
> both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
> scroll failed)
>

You can't tame demons unless you take the form of a demon. You'd also
have to take the monster's natural magic resistance and experience
level into account, so I doubt it would work. Demons supposedly ignore
level drain.

 

[Guest]

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anon wrote:
>
> Update: After wiping the floor with the undead in the Valley (including
> a master lich), I'm starting to believe my barbarian is invincible,
> which will probably result in my most spectacular, embarrassing YASD to
> date.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
> both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
> scroll failed)

They can't be tamed I believe. They are peacefull here
so they will not be hostile later. Either leave them in
peace or chose your time to kill them.

> 2. Any special, super-sekret tips for Gehennom?

It gets boring, so don't let your guard down. Save the
game every so often and do something else. Come back to
it fresh.

 

[Guest]

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anon <anon@anonn.com> writes:

> Update: After wiping the floor with the undead in the Valley (including
> a master lich), I'm starting to believe my barbarian is invincible,
> which will probably result in my most spectacular, embarrassing YASD to
> date.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
> both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
> scroll failed)

In theory, yes, but it's a bit tricky. One way would be to
slime them, then level-drain, then charm.

> 2. Any special, super-sekret tips for Gehennom?

Get magic mapping, teleport control and wands of teleport.

Best,
Jakob

 

[Guest]

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"Time Carrot" <ravenhurst30@hotmail.com> writes:
> anon wrote:
> >
> > 1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
> > both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
> > scroll failed)
> >
>
> You can't tame demons unless you take the form of a demon. You'd also
> have to take the monster's natural magic resistance and experience
> level into account, so I doubt it would work. Demons supposedly ignore
> level drain.

That'd work for normal demons, but not named ones; all demon lords
and princes are covetous, and hence can't be tamed.

--
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: to grab the sashimi of accomplishment or you will be left with the :
: wasabi of disappointment." -- Dan Shiovitz :

 

[Guest]

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Jakob Creutzig wrote:
> anon <anon@anonn.com> writes:
>
>>1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
>>both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
>>scroll failed)
>
> In theory, yes, but it's a bit tricky. One way would be to
> slime them, then level-drain, then charm.

That reads like some strange invocation rite. &^9

What's behind the sliming part? (Would you get a tame green slime then,
or really a tame demon lord/prince?)

Janis

 

[Guest]

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anon wrote:

> 1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
> both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
> scroll failed)

I'm not sure. The usual trick is to drain levels before trying to tame,
but I don't think you can level drain demons.

> 2. Any special, super-sekret tips for Gehennom?

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The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

 

[Guest]

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Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanagnou@hotmail.com> writes:

> Jakob Creutzig wrote:
> > anon <anon@anonn.com> writes:
> >
> >>1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
> >>both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
> >>scroll failed)
> > In theory, yes, but it's a bit tricky. One way would be to slime
> > them, then level-drain, then charm.
>
> That reads like some strange invocation rite. &^9
>
> What's behind the sliming part?

Covetuous monsters are not tameable, but turning them into
green slime makes them green slime. Polymorph would not
work due to their high MR (or so I believe). Green slime is
drainable and can be tamed. However, I admit that you just get
tame green slime this way.

This would be more interesting to people who want a
'kill no named monsters' ascension. Hmh.. I wonder:
If you slime Rodney, will he return even though you
don't kill the slime? Probably yes.

Best,
Jakob

 

[Guest]

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Jakob Creutzig wrote:

> Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanagnou@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Jakob Creutzig wrote:
> > > anon <anon@anonn.com> writes:
> > >
> > >>1. Sacrificing my own kind (orcish) has summoned Yeenoghu and Juiblex,
> > >>both peaceful. Can they be tamed? (my first attempt with a blessed
> > >>scroll failed)
> > > In theory, yes, but it's a bit tricky. One way would be to slime
> > > them, then level-drain, then charm.
> >
> > That reads like some strange invocation rite. &^9
> >
> > What's behind the sliming part?
>
> Covetuous monsters are not tameable, but turning them into
> green slime makes them green slime. Polymorph would not
> work due to their high MR (or so I believe). Green slime is
> drainable and can be tamed. However, I admit that you just get
> tame green slime this way.
>
> This would be more interesting to people who want a
> 'kill no named monsters' ascension. Hmh.. I wonder:
> If you slime Rodney, will he return even though you
> don't kill the slime? Probably yes.

I thought I once saw a patch with the "master thieve" challenge : quest
nemesis, Vlad, Rodney and High priest of Moloch must not been killed.

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.