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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:14:33 PM

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To be exact but avoid spoilage, I am avaricious and need a wand of
cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.

XL 20, DL 14, turn 55k+, have not seen a wand of cancellation all game.
have burned through 2 wands of poly attempting to "make" one. I have
been just hanging around and killing things for the last 10k turns
hoping for the drop. I suppose I _could_ try for the castle and it's
boost, but I have no levitation and don't want to get stuck on Medusa's
isle ("Sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a frustrated
knight...").

I've scoured for lamps of all stripe and sat upon all of 3 thrones (main
branch, quest home, and Ft. Ludicrous). The RNG has retained wishless
conduct.

Should I concentrate on getting wishes through fountains and potions?
Should I just keep killing things and hope for a drop? When you
need/want one little item, what's the best way to go about getting it?

Thanks in advance,
Thompson

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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:14:34 PM

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Congressman Thompson wrote:
<snip>
> Should I concentrate on getting wishes through fountains and potions?
> Should I just keep killing things and hope for a drop? When you
> need/want one little item, what's the best way to go about getting it?

My instinct is to get to the Castle wand. I'd get the wand of
cancellation AND a way to cross the water to get back to your 'item'...

-K
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:14:34 PM

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kremti@gmail.com wrote:

> Congressman Thompson wrote:
> <snip>
>> Should I concentrate on getting wishes through fountains and potions?
>> Should I just keep killing things and hope for a drop? When you
>> need/want one little item, what's the best way to go about getting it?
>
> My instinct is to get to the Castle wand. I'd get the wand of
> cancellation AND a way to cross the water to get back to your 'item'...

I agree, and you may find both of these items by the time you clear the
castle without having to wish for them. Just make sure you have a way to
get *in* to the castle before dropping through the Medusa level! (I can
think of at least 4 that don't involve lev or WW, plus minor variants).

--
Benjamin Lewis

Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing.
-- James Thurber
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Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:14:34 PM

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Congressman Thompson wrote on Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:14:33 GMT:
> I need a wand of cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.

I'd drop everything except my armor and weapon, take the best ~45 items
in one go, drop them, repeat until the bag is empty. Then I'd pick up
the bag and uncurse it.

Each item has only a 1/13 chance of vanishing per loot. If the bag is
full of super-good stuff, you can afford to give up 8% of it to get the
remaining 92% right away. If there isn't much of value in the bag, why
are you considering using a wish to rescue items worth less than one
wish?


--
"Sometimes I stand by the door and look into the darkness. Then I
am reminded how dearly I cherish my boredom, and what a precious
commodity is so much misery." -- Jack Vance
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:14:34 PM

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Congressman Thompson babbled on for HOURS on 15 Jun 2005:

> To be exact but avoid spoilage, I am avaricious and need a wand of
> cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>
> XL 20, DL 14, turn 55k+, have not seen a wand of cancellation all game.
> have burned through 2 wands of poly attempting to "make" one. I have
> been just hanging around and killing things for the last 10k turns
> hoping for the drop. I suppose I _could_ try for the castle and it's
> boost, but I have no levitation and don't want to get stuck on Medusa's
> isle ("Sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a frustrated
> knight...").
>
> I've scoured for lamps of all stripe and sat upon all of 3 thrones (main
> branch, quest home, and Ft. Ludicrous). The RNG has retained wishless
> conduct.
>
> Should I concentrate on getting wishes through fountains and potions?
> Should I just keep killing things and hope for a drop? When you
> need/want one little item, what's the best way to go about getting it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Thompson

I would exhaust all the fountains from the first 5 levels until dry. Its
there that you have the highest chance of a wish anyway, why leave an
option open. Just get a rock and dip away. Unless of course you cannot
deal with the worst case scenario (be it snakes, demons, angry djinn,
nymphs whatever).
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 1:51:23 AM

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:14:33 GMT, Congressman Thompson <spam@blocked.com> wrote:

>To be exact but avoid spoilage, I am avaricious and need a wand of
>cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>
>XL 20, DL 14, turn 55k+, have not seen a wand of cancellation all game.
> have burned through 2 wands of poly attempting to "make" one. I have
>been just hanging around and killing things for the last 10k turns
>hoping for the drop. I suppose I _could_ try for the castle and it's
>boost, but I have no levitation and don't want to get stuck on Medusa's
>isle ("Sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a frustrated
>knight...").
>
>I've scoured for lamps of all stripe and sat upon all of 3 thrones (main
>branch, quest home, and Ft. Ludicrous). The RNG has retained wishless
>conduct.
>
>Should I concentrate on getting wishes through fountains and potions?
>Should I just keep killing things and hope for a drop? When you
>need/want one little item, what's the best way to go about getting it?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Thompson


An unfriendly gelatinous cube on that level would also help,
would it not?

Moving the bag to another level may not be feasible. Although
I once used a hostile troll to carry most of the equipment from
a barracks level to a general store three levels up.


Jove
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 3:11:12 AM

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Rast wrote:

> Congressman Thompson wrote on Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:14:33 GMT:
>
>>I need a wand of cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>
> Each item has only a 1/13 chance of vanishing per loot. If the bag is
> full of super-good stuff, you can afford to give up 8% of it to get the
> remaining 92% right away. If there isn't much of value in the bag, why
> are you considering using a wish to rescue items worth less than one
> wish?

You snipped "...I am avaricious..." from my original approach. For
reasons that are better left unexplored in a public forum the "You see
XXXXX vanish!" message causes me blinding physical pain.

However, your rationale and approach are sound and I'll use them in the
future when I'm "better."

Thompson
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 3:31:13 AM

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Jove wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:14:33 GMT, Congressman Thompson <spam@blocked.com> wrote:
>
>
>>To be exact but avoid spoilage, I am avaricious and need a wand of
>>cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>
> An unfriendly gelatinous cube on that level would also help,
> would it not?

It would indeed help, unless the cursed item itself is the item most
desired.
June 16, 2005 3:33:38 AM

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In article <t6%re.4563$hK3.1491@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Congressman Thompson <spam@blocked.com> wrote:

>XL 20, DL 14, turn 55k+, have not seen a wand of cancellation all game.

It might be easy enough to get the spell, together with a certain vestment, and a smart hat. Unless your character can't cast matter spells at all.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 5:39:07 AM

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Is there a reason you need the item now?

Why not push on until a wand or a copy of the item you are interested
in comes your way . There are very few things you absolutely need to
keep movng forward. Many things make life easier, or at least more
certain so to speak, but aren't absolutley necessary. I would recommend
getting a wand of cancellation before going too far in Ghennom, and a
variant of medusa is best handled with /oCancellation in hand, but
other than that you should be safe to continue your quest. Or at least
safe as anyone is.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 9:25:27 AM

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Kevin Wayne wrote:
> On 6/15/05 3:14 PM, Congressman Thompson wrote:
> > To be exact but avoid spoilage, I am avaricious and need a wand of
> > cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>
> Are you sure? That is, have you tried dropping everything else but a
> potion of holy water and lifting the item?

Everything but a B!oW and a certain pair of gloves, you mean.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 3:37:24 PM

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Rast wrote:

> Congressman Thompson wrote on Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:14:33 GMT:
> > I need a wand of cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>
> I'd drop everything except my armor and weapon, take the best ~45 items
> in one go, drop them, repeat until the bag is empty. Then I'd pick up
> the bag and uncurse it.
>
> Each item has only a 1/13 chance of vanishing per loot. If the bag is
> full of super-good stuff, you can afford to give up 8% of it to get the
> remaining 92% right away. If there isn't much of value in the bag, why
> are you considering using a wish to rescue items worth less than one
> wish?

And maybe there is a wand of cancellation waiting to be picked up in the
bag...


Seriously, I would also go for the Castle wand and wish for wand of
cancellation and * of levitation (if none found in Perseus/Castle
armory/...)

Or, if good spellcaster, pray for spellbooks and hope for spellbook of
cancellation [this one is a bit more likely to be found in the bag than
the wand, of course].

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 3:37:25 PM

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Jym wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Rast wrote:
>
>
>>Congressman Thompson wrote on Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:14:33 GMT:
>>
>>>I need a wand of cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>>
>>I'd drop everything except my armor and weapon, take the best ~45 items
>>in one go, drop them, repeat until the bag is empty. Then I'd pick up
>>the bag and uncurse it.
>>
>>Each item has only a 1/13 chance of vanishing per loot. If the bag is
>>full of super-good stuff, you can afford to give up 8% of it to get the
>>remaining 92% right away. If there isn't much of value in the bag, why
>>are you considering using a wish to rescue items worth less than one
>>wish?
>
>
> And maybe there is a wand of cancellation waiting to be picked up in the
> bag...

If there is, it's out of charges; otherwise there'd be no bag to see
here... ;) 
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 4:15:04 PM

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Congressman Thompson wrote:
>
> Thanks y'all for the advice and encouragement. For the record, buck
> naked with strong man gloves and a b?RC (I labor under the impression
> that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
> the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
> contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.

This item is from a bones file, then? If it is from
one of your games you'd know it's approximate contents.
If not you can only guess. Who ever puts 2000 rocks
into such a container compared to who ever puts their
entire arsenal of books and potions and weapons and
such? Check.

> I have pressed on, took a chance on Medusa by coming up from below and
> found necessary shoes in a statue.

If you have a way to freeze water, you can walk to
Medusa.

> In my heart, I know of only 1 sure-fire way to find a /cancellation in
> Nethack; wish for one, and then you're sure to find another one in the
> possession of a sickly kobold in less than 1000 turns...

Exactly.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 4:18:28 PM

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On 6/15/05 3:14 PM, Congressman Thompson wrote:
> To be exact but avoid spoilage, I am avaricious and need a wand of
> cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.

Are you sure? That is, have you tried dropping everything else but a
potion of holy water and lifting the item?

--
Kevin Wayne

"Art is a tremendous means by which painfully guarded individuals bare
their souls." --Steve Hindalong
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 6:37:42 PM

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Jove wrote:
> Congressman Thompson wrote:
>
> >Thanks y'all for the advice and encouragement. For the record, buck
> >naked with strong man gloves and a b?RC (I labor under the impression
> >that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
> >the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
> >contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.
>
> Then keep your eyes out for that magic gelatinous cube, especially
> on a level above the object in question.
> ...
> It's sooo simple when you don't have to do it yourself.

ROTFL

> The beauty of this method is that you'll get a wand of cancellation
> in the death-drop from the g-cube after it has engulfed the bag.

Go to Castle. Get wand. Wish for mostly usual stuff. For your
third last wish ask for "cursed figurine of a gelatinous cube".
For your second last wish ask for "blessed scroll of earth".

Go near the bag. Read the scroll and move the boulders to form a
corridor between you and the bag. Apply the figurine in the
direction of the bag. Dash aside and push one last boulder to
block your previous position.

Watch the cube eat the bag. Kill the cube, enjoy the contents,
notice that a wand of cancellation was the cube's death-drop.
Chuckle at the RNG as you contemplate that last wish. Use it.
Then notice the object in your pile of goods from the bag. ;^)
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 7:51:48 PM

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Quoting <dogscoff@eudoramail.com>:
>Kevin Wayne wrote:
>>On 6/15/05 3:14 PM, Congressman Thompson wrote:
>>>To be exact but avoid spoilage, I am avaricious and need a wand of
>>>cancellation to cancel an item I cannot lift.
>>Are you sure? That is, have you tried dropping everything else but a
>>potion of holy water and lifting the item?
>Everything but a B!oW and a certain pair of gloves, you mean.

How do you know his carrying capacity is not maxed without gauntlets of
power?
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?
Today is Second Gouday, June.
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 9:36:33 PM

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On 16 Jun 2005 14:37:42 -0700, "Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Jove wrote:
>> Congressman Thompson wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks y'all for the advice and encouragement. For the record, buck
>> >naked with strong man gloves and a b?RC (I labor under the impression
>> >that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
>> >the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
>> >contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.
>>
>> Then keep your eyes out for that magic gelatinous cube, especially
>> on a level above the object in question.
>> ...
>> It's sooo simple when you don't have to do it yourself.
>
>ROTFL
>
>> The beauty of this method is that you'll get a wand of cancellation
>> in the death-drop from the g-cube after it has engulfed the bag.
>
>Go to Castle. Get wand. Wish for mostly usual stuff. For your
>third last wish ask for "cursed figurine of a gelatinous cube".
>For your second last wish ask for "blessed scroll of earth".
>
>Go near the bag. Read the scroll and move the boulders to form a
>corridor between you and the bag. Apply the figurine in the
>direction of the bag. Dash aside and push one last boulder to
>block your previous position.
>
>Watch the cube eat the bag. Kill the cube, enjoy the contents,
>notice that a wand of cancellation was the cube's death-drop.
>Chuckle at the RNG as you contemplate that last wish. Use it.
>Then notice the object in your pile of goods from the bag. ;^)


Sublime perfection requires that it not be noticed and put into
his BoH along with everything else. It all came from a BoH, didn't
it?


Jove

P.S. It took me awhile to figure out what you were driving at.
Very clever.

Jv
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 10:36:17 PM

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Thanks y'all for the advice and encouragement. For the record, buck
naked with strong man gloves and a b?RC (I labor under the impression
that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.

I have pressed on, took a chance on Medusa by coming up from below and
found necessary shoes in a statue. I've fooled about with every
fountain I've found and now I'm hoarding !speed (smoky) to get at it
that way.

In my heart, I know of only 1 sure-fire way to find a /cancellation in
Nethack; wish for one, and then you're sure to find another one in the
possession of a sickly kobold in less than 1000 turns...

Thompson
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 10:36:18 PM

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:36:17 GMT, Congressman Thompson <spam@blocked.com> wrote:

>Thanks y'all for the advice and encouragement. For the record, buck
>naked with strong man gloves and a b?RC (I labor under the impression
>that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
>the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
>contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.
>

Then keep your eyes out for that magic gelatinous cube, especially
on a level above the object in question.

If the g-cube is on a level above the bag then lead it into a hole
(natural or artificial) to drop it down. Will gelatinous cubes
drop down holes?.

If the g-cube is below the level then check for wand or spell of
undead turning. If you've got one, then kill the cube & hope for a
corpse.

If you get a corpse, put it in your bag, control level teleport/
teleport to stairs, up, teleport to upstairs, etc. until you get
there (or corpse is at risk of rotting). Turn undead the corpse
& lead it to the item.

It's sooo simple when you don't have to do it yourself.

The beauty of this method is that you'll get a wand of cancellation
in the death-drop from the g-cube after it has engulfed the bag.


Jove
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 1:11:36 PM

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David Damerell wrote:

> Quoting Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>:
>> Congressman Thompson wrote:
>>> that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
>>> the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
>>> contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.
>> This item is from a bones file, then? If it is from
>> one of your games you'd know it's approximate contents.
>> If not you can only guess.
>
> Well, he can know for a fact there isn't a charged WoC in this BoH (why
> so coy about naming it?) - how would the original owner have got it in?
>
> There might be an uncharged one but that seems unlikely.

It's also possible that one has been nested, but that's probably even more
unlikely.

--
Benjamin Lewis

Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing.
-- James Thurber
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 1:21:43 PM

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Jove wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:05:00 +0200, Jym <moyen@loria.fr> wrote:
>
> Doesn't levitation help your ability to carry?
>
> What about levitating & using a grappling hook?

YANI:

Throw what?
L - an uncursed potion of levitation
Throw in what direction?
>
You throw the potion down toward the ground --more--
It smashes on the dungeon floor --more--
you feel light on your feet --more--
the cursed bag named holding? looks temporarily lighter! --more--
The food ration looks temporarily lighter! --more--
The blank scroll floats up toward the ceiling!
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 3:42:18 PM

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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:11:36 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> wrote:

>David Damerell wrote:
>
>> Quoting Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>:
>>> Congressman Thompson wrote:
>>>> that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
>>>> the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
>>>> contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.
>>> This item is from a bones file, then? If it is from
>>> one of your games you'd know it's approximate contents.
>>> If not you can only guess.
>>
>> Well, he can know for a fact there isn't a charged WoC in this BoH (why
>> so coy about naming it?) - how would the original owner have got it in?
>>
>> There might be an uncharged one but that seems unlikely.
>
>It's also possible that one has been nested, but that's probably even more
>unlikely.

What if it's not really a Bag of Holding?


Yes, I know he's already got one. But think of the possibilities
for leaving a frustating bones file. Load up a cursed sack with
rocks until it can't be lifted. Put in a /WoCancel, then engrave
"Bag of Holding".

When the finder finally manages to uncurse it, they #loot it to
find...the /WoC & rocks.


Jove
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 4:47:53 PM

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Quoting Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>:
>Congressman Thompson wrote:
>>that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
>>the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
>>contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.
>This item is from a bones file, then? If it is from
>one of your games you'd know it's approximate contents.
>If not you can only guess.

Well, he can know for a fact there isn't a charged WoC in this BoH (why so
coy about naming it?) - how would the original owner have got it in?

There might be an uncharged one but that seems unlikely.
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?
Today is Second Chedday, June - a weekend.
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 5:05:00 PM

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Congressman Thompson wrote:

> Thanks y'all for the advice and encouragement. For the record, buck
> naked with strong man gloves and a b?RC (I labor under the impression
> that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
> the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
> contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.

Yes, scrolls weight 5, potions weight 20.
(slash'em options concerning weight are more than interesting, they're
truely usefull (and allow for an even easier price-id by cross-referencing
price and weight-id.))

If your strength and constit are high enough (18/** and 18 certainly does,
probably 18/50 and 18 sufficeint, can't remember), you can carry 1000 and
gauntlets of power will not increase your weight capacity in which case
you can give a try without them (they weight 30, with a bit of luck it may
be sufficient).

> I have pressed on, took a chance on Medusa by coming up from below and
> found necessary shoes in a statue. I've fooled about with every
> fountain I've found and now I'm hoarding !speed (smoky) to get at it
> that way.

Well, if you've crossed Medusa *and* have the boots of levitation, the
obvious way to get a wish is to sneak into the castle. I gues you have
enough equipement to handle the monsters in it and that will lead to a
guaranteed wand of wishing.

> In my heart, I know of only 1 sure-fire way to find a /cancellation in
> Nethack; wish for one, and then you're sure to find another one in the
> possession of a sickly kobold in less than 1000 turns...

Right. I never know if I should check the castle's armory before wishing
(finding nothing interesting in it) or after (finding what I've just
wished for in it).

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 5:05:01 PM

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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:05:00 +0200, Jym <moyen@loria.fr> wrote:

>
>Well, if you've crossed Medusa *and* have the boots of levitation, the
>obvious way to get a wish is to sneak into the castle. I gues you have
>enough equipement to handle the monsters in it and that will lead to a
>guaranteed wand of wishing.
>

Doesn't levitation help your ability to carry?

What about levitating & using a grappling hook?


Jove
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 5:12:16 PM

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Jove wrote:
> > Congressman Thompson wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks y'all for the advice and encouragement. For the record, buck
> > >naked with strong man gloves and a b?RC (I labor under the impression
> > >that ? weigh less than !) I am unable to lift the item. And it's not
> > >the item I need/want (I have mine and 2 spares) it's the possible
> > >contents which, of course, do not include a /cancellation.
> >
> > Then keep your eyes out for that magic gelatinous cube, especially
> > on a level above the object in question.
> > ...
> > It's sooo simple when you don't have to do it yourself.
>
> ROTFL
>
> > The beauty of this method is that you'll get a wand of cancellation
> > in the death-drop from the g-cube after it has engulfed the bag.
>
> Go to Castle. Get wand. Wish for mostly usual stuff. For your
> third last wish ask for "cursed figurine of a gelatinous cube".
> For your second last wish ask for "blessed scroll of earth".

Directly wishing for a wand of cancellation will only use one wish instead
of two.
And obtain a reusable item.
And ensure there is a wand of cancellation in the Valley, of course.

> Go near the bag. Read the scroll and move the boulders to form a
> corridor between you and the bag. Apply the figurine in the
> direction of the bag. Dash aside and push one last boulder to
> block your previous position.
>
> Watch the cube eat the bag. Kill the cube, enjoy the contents,
> notice that a wand of cancellation was the cube's death-drop.
> Chuckle at the RNG as you contemplate that last wish. Use it.
> Then notice the object in your pile of goods from the bag. ;^)

Just to check, when g-cube eat containers, they don't eat the contents at
the same time ? (this never happened to me)
And the content can then be found lying one the group (providing the
g-cube does not stay here, eating it, afterwards) ?

By the way, teh trouble with this method is if the previous owner of the
bag has burned the E-word to try to protect himself from whatever
minotaur/archon/elf killed him.

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 8:22:06 PM

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Jym wrote:

> Just to check, when g-cube eat containers, they don't eat the
> contents at the same time ? (this never happened to me)
> And the content can then be found lying one the group (providing the
> g-cube does not stay here, eating it, afterwards) ?

Indeed. You might say that they eat the container, and carry the
contents with them from then on. The contents will not be eaten.

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can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.
Anonymous
June 18, 2005 10:48:55 PM

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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, james wrote:

> In article <jOw*A4kRq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Well, he can know for a fact there isn't a charged WoC in this BoH (why so
>> coy about naming it?) - how would the original owner have got it in?
>
> Frira fnpxf?
>

If I recall correctly, doesn't this simply lower the chance of that
happening but not eliminate it? Yes, I realize frira fnpxf would make it
extremely unlikely, but the RNG can be sadistic.

Mildly spoilery suggestion/idea.
..
..
..
..

That said, if a wand of cancellation was in a BoH this way, and one of the
sacks was destroyed by chance because of the cursed bag, would the
contents (wand of cancellation) be destroyed as well? I would think so,
but it presents an interesting possibility:

The nested bag is destroyed, but the contents are not, and the wand of
cancellation "goes off" and destroys the entire bag and the contents.
Sadistic, no? Of course it's such a remote possibility that a character
would be in the situation that it wouldn't be plausible to make it an
outcome of nesting/cursed bags.

But I like to think about this kind of thing.
Anonymous
June 19, 2005 12:21:37 AM

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2005, Dylan O'Donnell wrote:

> Adam Lawson <adam.lawson@gmail.com> writes:
> [Nesting sacks in a bag of holding]
>
>> That said, if a wand of cancellation was in a BoH this way, and one of
>> the sacks was destroyed by chance because of the cursed bag, would the
>> contents (wand of cancellation) be destroyed as well?
>
> Yes. All contents of a container that gets eaten by a cursed BoH are
> also eaten.
>

Thought so. It makes more sense that way. I just found the idea of it
increasing the chance of a wand of cancellation zapping the bag kind of
funny, given the circumstances of the conversation. I can just imagine the
look on someone's face when* they find a BoH from a bones file they know
had the nesting and wand... and then they try to get the wand and there
goes the bag and all the contents because the sack is destroyed.

I imagine it would be quite a pain to code for just the off chance of
this, so I'm not suggesting it should be a feature. I'm just easily
amused and crazy. :) 

*"The look on someone's face when..." and nethack could provide quite a
gallery of facial expressions, just from my own YASDs and lucky finds
(followed, of course, by more YASDs).
June 19, 2005 1:29:17 AM

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In article <Pine.LNX.4.51.0506161134160.10300@hagen.loria.fr>,
Jym <moyen@loria.fr> wrote:

>And maybe there is a wand of cancellation waiting to be picked up in the
>bag...

I'm wondering, how can this happen? I know one possibility, but it's
pretty remote.
June 19, 2005 1:32:23 AM

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In article <jOw*A4kRq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>Well, he can know for a fact there isn't a charged WoC in this BoH (why so
>coy about naming it?) - how would the original owner have got it in?

Frira fnpxf?
Anonymous
June 19, 2005 5:58:13 AM

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Adam Lawson <adam.lawson@gmail.com> writes:
[Nesting sacks in a bag of holding]

> That said, if a wand of cancellation was in a BoH this way, and one of
> the sacks was destroyed by chance because of the cursed bag, would the
> contents (wand of cancellation) be destroyed as well?

Yes. All contents of a container that gets eaten by a cursed BoH are
also eaten.

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: when I say / That it frequently breakfasts at five-o'clock tea / And :
: dines on the following day." -- Lewis Carroll, The Hunting of the Snark :
Anonymous
June 19, 2005 5:58:39 AM

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james wrote:
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.51.0506161134160.10300@hagen.loria.fr>,
> Jym <moyen@loria.fr> wrote:
>
>>And maybe there is a wand of cancellation waiting to be picked up in the
>>bag...
>
> I'm wondering, how can this happen?

Uncharged.

But you noticed that Jym continued his posting with "Seriously, [...]"

Janis
Anonymous
June 19, 2005 2:57:54 PM

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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Adam Lawson wrote:

> *"The look on someone's face when..." and nethack could provide quite a
> gallery of facial expressions, just from my own YASDs and lucky finds
> (followed, of course, by more YASDs).

Maybe there should be a nethack patch allowing for a webcam to
automatically take pictures at times such as DYWYPI or other "general shop
at DL2 with WoW and *brand".

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.
Anonymous
June 20, 2005 4:26:05 PM

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Quoting Jove <invalid@invalid.invalid>:
> Yes, I know he's already got one. But think of the possibilities
>for leaving a frustating bones file. Load up a cursed sack with
>rocks until it can't be lifted. Put in a /WoCancel, then engrave
>"Bag of Holding".

Oh, that's horrible. But the engraving would be gilding the lily; someone
who finds a "bag" they can't lift will assume BoH anyway.
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Anonymous
June 20, 2005 4:28:05 PM

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Quoting Adam Lawson <adam.lawson@gmail.com>:
>On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, james wrote:
>>David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>Well, he can know for a fact there isn't a charged WoC in this BoH (why so
>>>coy about naming it?) - how would the original owner have got it in?
>>Frira fnpxf?
>If I recall correctly, doesn't this simply lower the chance of that
>happening but not eliminate it?

Yes, but that does make "know for a fact" technically untrue. There could
be fewer than seven and it would still be possible.
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Anonymous
June 21, 2005 8:43:21 AM

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On 6/20/05 7:26 AM, David Damerell wrote:
> Quoting Jove <invalid@invalid.invalid>:
>
>> Yes, I know he's already got one. But think of the possibilities
>>for leaving a frustating bones file. Load up a cursed sack with
>>rocks until it can't be lifted. Put in a /WoCancel, then engrave
>>"Bag of Holding".
>
>
> Oh, that's horrible. But the engraving would be gilding the lily; someone
> who finds a "bag" they can't lift will assume BoH anyway.

It's all moot if the player already has bags of holding positively ID'd,
or even #named (not individually).

--
Kevin Wayne

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their souls." --Steve Hindalong
Anonymous
June 27, 2005 4:23:08 PM

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In news:<Pine.LNX.4.51.0506171300140.28537@hagen.loria.fr>, Jym
<moyen@loria.fr> says...
> If your strength and constit are high enough (18/** and 18 certainly does,
> probably 18/50 and 18 sufficeint, can't remember), you can carry 1000 and
> gauntlets of power will not increase your weight capacity in which case
> you can give a try without them (they weight 30, with a bit of luck it may
> be sufficient).

Base carrying capacity is calculated as ((Str+Con)/2+1)*50, with an
upper cap at 1000. Therefore, better than Str+Con=38 doesn't matter.
Str 18/01-18/31 counts as 19, 18/32-18/81 as 20, and 18/82-18/** as 21.
So 18/50 and 18 is sufficient, yes.

I feel like 'threadscumming', catching up on old messages...

/Kristoffer

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Anonymous
June 27, 2005 4:42:07 PM

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In news:<47t5b15anhiq9r4e87kgvvoueou904s34i@4ax.com>, Jove
<invalid@invalid.invalid> says...
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:05:00 +0200, Jym <moyen@loria.fr> wrote:
> >Well, if you've crossed Medusa *and* have the boots of levitation, the
> >obvious way to get a wish is to sneak into the castle. I gues you have
> >enough equipement to handle the monsters in it and that will lead to a
> >guaranteed wand of wishing.
> Doesn't levitation help your ability to carry?

Sets it at maximum, but still not above the normal capped level, AFAIK.
So it would not be an improvement if your base carrying capacity is
already 1000 (and you have no wounded legs).
(Same thing for steeds I think.)

/Kristoffer

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