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I am told that there is a way to turn a TFT display to a spy camera. "That use is well known to intelligence services", argued an electronics technician that works for the army and set-up our office network. No-one of us believed him at first, but when I asked a friend of mine that works in computer bussiness, he remained silent.
Maybe there is someone who can give a more specific answer. Is it just a rumor or is it possible?...

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I see you are picking your nose right now. That is just gross.

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Reply to RichPLS
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It was part of a show called Numbers.
They used a TFT display to record the on screen activietes of someone.

I would say possible in some form but not actually done because other ways would be easier


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Reply to pickxx
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RichPLS, I don't say that <you> can do it, especially through the net. So don't be so smart. I ask if it's possible to modify in some way the hardware of a TFT display monitor, so you can detect movement or colors that goes in front of it.
My reaction at first was exactly like yours, but at second thought, 16X DVD-RAMS was sci-fi three years ago...
So don't be so hasty to reject this idea. Maybe it is possible.
In the other hand, I will be happy to know even how this rumor originated, if it's only a rumor...

Reply to elfmits
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So it is possible after all...
What kind of show was "Numbers"? Was it a TV show, or some stage magician act?
Is there any validity to this trick with the TFT monitor?
(Thanks for your reply!)

Reply to elfmits

thats not him picking his nose, its me picking his nose. i just happen to be out of range of the tft.

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Reply to scamtrOn
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dont argue with sod.

"Like a scrotum, there it is in a nutshell."
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Reply to mrface
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Is it possible in any way with current LCD's, graphic cards and PC's, NO!

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Reply to RichPLS

Yeah, all you need to do is either

1. Place a web cam on top of the TFT

or

2. Replace the screen with a camera

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Reply to Ned_Flanders

That is brilliant!
Do you work for NASA? :smile:

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Reply to dunklegend
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If you must know, that dark spot you think is a dead pixel is a spy camera. We are watching you. But keep this on the downlow, for word of this might get the ladies paranoid, and stop browsing in the nude.

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Reply to RichPLS
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DIE NEWBIE DIE!!! [/G]

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Reply to RobD
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Ha ha, I am enjoing this...
I ask a serious question to get some technical arguments to argue with the man that said that TFT-spycamera thing, and all I get are funny guys sharing b_s_.
Very nice guys. And I was wandering how rumors spread loose...

Reply to elfmits
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University of San Moritz


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Reply to RichPLS

Just say this to that fockin' guy:

"Double-you tee eff? Elle im eff a oh!"

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Reply to Auburn9698

With today's LCD displays: NO.

Now, there is a technical feasibility, but the hardware doesn't have that ability at this time (and I doubt it ever will in consumer-level devices). It would require add'l hardware to measure the slight change in each pixel caused by the infinitessimally small magnetic field generated by something in close proximity to the screen, and hardware to feed that data back into the computer (the DVI/VGA cable doesn't do that) for processing using technology similar to a CT scan.

Mike.

PS: You posted in the 'other'. Anything goes in the other, and thread hijacking is a requirement here (actually, anywhere on THGC).

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Reply to fishmahn
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i hope you die a painfully slow death that involves wingy somehow.

"Like a scrotum, there it is in a nutshell."
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Reply to mrface
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So, do you believe that is only an army rumor, like that one that said NSA has the way to decrypt any PGP encrypted file?
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Reply to elfmits
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Dear Mr. Elfmits:

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University of San Moritz



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Reply to RichPLS
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I'll be a Skull, too? I am very happy! Don't worry about the Bone, though, I have one of my own. So I am subject to a discount of $200.
Only one problem: Inside my scull, there's something we, in my town, call "brain". If I make a lobotomy, will I meet your criteria, or I'll still be too "exotic" for you?

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Reply to elfmits
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University of San Moritz


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Reply to RichPLS
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Oh, I shut up and pay. That's a seriously good offer.
I presume that's the way you become rich: You spend all of your time in the internet making these fruitfull academic offers to those so inferior to you. It's obvious that you have tried all other things, that's why you end up only to this, like you cannot think something else to say...
It is apparent, my friend, that you care for the spiritual enlightenment of your fellow people!
I humbly bow to your superiority! I'll lobotomize myself. I'll do everything to be like you!

Reply to elfmits
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Ahhh, well we do have a line of comedic engineering degrees available also.

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Reply to RichPLS

Quote :

like that one that said NSA has the way to decrypt any PGP encrypted file?


That's only a rumor?!?!? [/boggle]

Mike.

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Reply to fishmahn
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I have specialized in business management, so I have learned to train folks to work harder and longer for me, and instead of me skimming of the top, I give them the skimmings and take the majority for my reckless and liberal spending on selfish and ridiculous items. Sorta like a government elected official, minus the elected part. ;)

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Reply to RichPLS
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With all five of these, do I get a better discount offer?

Reply to elfmits
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NSA PGP decryption isn't only a rumor?

Reply to elfmits
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Most definitely so, we offer a limited time once only discount of $49.93 off retail price if matching tie-clip is ordered for an unbelievably low price of just $79.95 which comes with a genuine certificate of authenticity.

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Reply to RichPLS

PGP = Pretty Good Privacy. Think about it - its only pretty good.

Any encryption code in common use (excepting some in use by gov't/military) can be broken without excessive trouble. But that depends on your definition of excessive and whether its worth that much trouble.

Mike.

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Reply to fishmahn
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im sure its possible to rig a tft screen to do that, but i seriously doubt there is a way to take an existing monitor and rig it with just software to act like a camera. its probly just a rumor, just like the rumor that "they" could see you through the tv screen.

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Reply to jihiggs
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Rich, you certainly are some type of MIB or disinformation agent. I tried to extract some info about a rumor, but you managed, without any reason at all, to completely ridicule my query...
So, I come to believe there's some truth in this rumor...
(Only kidding).

OK, so, no-one of you can validate this rumor, but you cannot say that it isn't possible...

Fishman, the PGP creators (Zimmermann and co) say that to decode a simple message encrypted with 1024bit PGP encryption, needs a lot more processing power than all the computers of the world can produce running for a long time. That's why is "Preety Good Privacy", not the other way around.
The rumor was that NSA has a super-dooper quantum-parallel computer that can decode any message in some seconds. But there's no such technology (like there is not TFT displays turned to spy-cameras).
But, some geek <can> explain how a quantum computer will decode a PGP message, but no geek cares to explain how a TFT monitor can be a camera.
That's all I complain about!

Reply to elfmits
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don't come down here in the basement and dis the regulars you butt wipe....Here Here RobD

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Reply to TeeTewl
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f_k the regulars.
If they don't like me, they can throw me out!
(But then, mr. Please will lose the customer. Do you agree mr. Pls?)

Reply to elfmits

When they wrote it, that was true. Now, however machines are significantly faster, we have technologies like SETI@Home, Folding@Home, etc., harnessing the power of literally millions of cpus.

Mere seconds? no, but a matter of hours? if you have enough cpu power, it can be done. But that doesn't mean that it still isn't pretty darn good. That just means that its possible to decrypt it. Is it feasible to do? That's the whole point of encryption anyways - make it difficult enough to make it not feasible to do. In that way, PGP is pretty good privacy.

Mike.

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-- Groucho Marx</font color=blue>

Reply to fishmahn
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f-ck the regulars? mr internet anonymous strikes again...
No fukc you

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Reply to TeeTewl
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Fishman, I agree with you. I do not say that PGP is unbreakable, only that NSA has not some super computer that can break it in gainfull time. I repeat, there is a rumor that NSA has that super computer, but if you search for it, you will not find some facts to validate this information - not more facts than to validate spidermans existance...

And for mr. teewee, he must remember that he <is> inside the anonymous internet. He is not in his living-room, so his rules of who to respect and whom not, don't apply here...

Reply to elfmits

If you click on his name you can see his profile so that's not anonymous.

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Reply to dunklegend
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my balls itch.

"Like a scrotum, there it is in a nutshell."
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Reply to mrface
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Cool, he added a profile after his first few posts on this thread.

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Reply to RichPLS
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I am not anonymous, too.
But "In internet noone knows you are a Dog",
if i am not mistaken...

Reply to elfmits

mmm Helen? I think he is a she.

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Reply to dunklegend

Helen:
This forum's name is misleading. Here in the OTHER, if you're a newbie you're going to have a rough time. But once the regulars get to know you it's a fun place to visit.
If you ask a serious question you might get an answer but also you might have a lot of jokes making fun of you.
If you visit the other forums some of the same guys that are giving you hell here will actually be helping people. And a lot of them have a lot of knowledge.
You could try asking your question in another forum.

BTW where did you hear this rumor about the TFT display?
Personally I don't think that's possible.

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Reply to dunklegend

We still know you're a dog, bitch.

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Reply to Auburn9698
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So all this was some kind of "initiation"?
Why do you feel that need to "initiate" the newcomer by attacking him? Obviously it is a western male trait, surviving from who knows what tribal and savage past...
Never mind.

I explained how I came to that rumor. The person that argued about it is honest and a real scientist on his area of expertise, so I didn't really have a reason not to believe him. But he also likes to speak about conpiracies and secret services etc and he always adds some spy flavor to anything hi-tec, maybe because he is an army technician too. So I wanted to know where his knowledge ends and where his fantasy begins. He also told me about the super-computer that NSA has. But for this rumor I found a lot of material in the net, whereas I found nothing about the TFT-spy camera.
Pickxx gave me an answer, that there is show (Numbers) which introduced the TFT-Spycamera, but he didn't give me more info. I would like to hear more of him...

By the way, I am not some army agent, nor some hacker, nor a technician. I am just a journalist that I came upon something interesting and wanna know if there's some truth in it...

Reply to elfmits
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That's all you got to know, monkeyboy.

Now, fetch!

Reply to elfmits
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dont worry auburn gets phukked by more tigers than seigfried and roy...

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Reply to mrface

That's the second time you've used that....I still don't know if that's supposed to be some kind of insult or what. I mean, hey, I wouldn't mind being focked by <A HREF="http://www.auburn.edu/student_info/cheerleaders/womenssquad.jpg" target="_new">these tigers</A> any day. (The address is a good enough description, if you're wondering what that is)

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Reply to Auburn9698
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ok eden... err.... greg

seigfried and roy = ghey
the prolly phukk the tigers and vice versa = sick phukks

you do the math...

"Like a scrotum, there it is in a nutshell."
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Reply to mrface

Yeah, they're obviously gay, but....I mean, fock a tiger? That's wingdingish, maybe (if llamas are in short supply, I guess), but I don't know if it's gay. It IS fockin' a pussy, after all, isn't it? Besides, those things would bite your dick off! :lol:

I dunno, there may be a cutdown in there somewhere, with a little more work. Just don't think it's there yet.

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