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Since getting my 1300 athlon I was in amazement at how fast it really was and thought "HAHAHA I payed less for this setup than a typical Intel setup". Well I just purchased a 1.5ghz p4 on an 850GB mobo with 256megs RDRAM and let me tell you, it outclasses my athlon at about everything it does. Just thought I would chime in and let you guys know that you really do get what you pay for.

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  1. Ok, so now the standard questions:

    What motherboards did you have under each?
    What RAM did you have with your Athlon?
    What hard drives have you had on each?
    What video card was on each?
    What did you pay for each? ;)

    And, the most important...what do you use your computer for mainly?

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  2. Why respond? This is a thread designed for a flame. It may even be a Fugger or Tonestar alias. Just ignore it.

    <font color=blue>This is a Forum, not a playground. Treat it with Respect.</font color=blue>
  3. i agrree, that post is about as likely sounding as a sighting of elvis out walking his seven legged dog and flying off in a UFO.

    out of ideas, back soon !
  4. Come on Meltdown......

    looks like you can't even make a fake post! LOL

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  5. I think its a real post. all i need to know now is who sighted me?????

    ROFLMAO
  6. ROFLMAOSHITID!!!!!!!!!

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  7. I'm just trying to show him that we don't run and believe everything we hear, most people on here actually stop and think about the possibilities, especially when what someone says contradicts everything we've seen before.

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  8. The p4 1.5ghz w/256megs was 400$ the Intel D850GB mobo was 185$ and the case was 135$. The Athlon 1.3ghz w/256megs(PC2100) was 390$ the Gigabyte 7DX was 215$ (Probably could have found cheaper, but didn't feel like looking [It was a spur of the moment purchase]) and the case was 85$. This was not meant as a flame war. This is my own testimony of how my Athlon 1300 is getting outclassed (sever in some cases) by my new p4. Both System contain Identical Specs:

    SB Live!
    Elsa GeForce2 GTS 32mb DDR
    FastTrak100 RAID (0) w/2 WD 7200rpm 30gig\

    One Example I can think of Is Unreal Tournament. With my Athlon in UT demo I score an average FPS the same as my p4. The thing is, in a game when 4 people are on screen at once my Athlon will drop to nerely 30 FPS from 70-100+ (depending upon scene) while the p4 drops but only about 3 frames per person (about half that of the Athlon). This is all in 1024x768x32bpp everything set to high. After Experiencing this I had to write in. I still like my athlon and will continue to support AMD with Athlon4, but for now I am back to Intel. When I bought my Athlon1.3 It was because of price/performance period. With the reduction of price of the P4's that line has blurred and I just wanted some readers to know my little story. If Processors were engines then the p4 & Athlon would be equal in Horsepower, but the diffrence in torque would be between a Viper and Mustang. Enough to understand why they are just slightly higher in price. (Not The Cars, The Processors)

    Ps If I were to have bought the same p4 system I have now when I bought my Athlon 1.3 (about a month after its release). I would have had to pay a little under double of what I payed now for it(p4) now.

    Pss. The Athlon ram appears to have two stamps on them VIA & Gigabyte, I would assume those are approval stamps but beyond that I am unsure who actually manufactured it. The RDRAM was unmarked...so only god knows...
    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Blessedman on 06/29/01 02:57 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  9. That seems to make sense.

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    With the reduction of price of the P4's that line has blurred

    The reduction in price wasn't as good as it seemed it was going to be.
    The highest P4 is $324, and the highest Athlon is $163. The P4 1.7 comes with 128 or 256 meg of RDRAM, so if you bought 256 meg of DDR, it would come to $52 more, or $215.
    $324 compared to $215 is a decent difference. And that's before the motherboard, which might make more of a difference.

    Prices taken from <A HREF="http://www.pricewatch.com" target="_new">PriceWatch</A> and <A HREF="http://www.crucial.com" target="_new">Crucial</A>. Void where prohibited, sales tax may apply to residents of certain states. Please contact your local vendor for details.

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  11. I pay a little more for not having to worry about shipping (which pushes those prices a little higher) or having to worry about something not working when i get it. Still your taking about 200$ diffrence from what I paid at retail for my 1.5ghz so I must say this, If you have the money go with the p4 its worth it. If you don't have the cash go for the 1.4 athlon. Both are equally worth their asking price.
  12. Sorry girls, but I only use this nic.

    I leave for a week, and you miss me already.
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    I pay a little more for not having to worry about shipping

    Ok, but that does nothing as far as Intel vs. AMD.
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    or having to worry about something not working when i get it

    I have NEVER seen statistics saying Intel is more reliable as far as being DOA. Compatability I can understand. But not DOA issues.
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    Both are equally worth their asking price.

    Very true, as long as you don't buy new stuff all the time. P4 most likely will be a lot faster, but at the moment, it isn't. SSE2 hasn't really taken effect yet. And we still don't know how Athlon 4 is going to perform.


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  14. >>If you have the money go with the p4 its worth it.

    :-)
    I personally do not have that much money as I want to have 2-3 GB of RAM to play with, and for a time being P4 stuck with RDRAM, which is prohibitively more expensive than DDR.

    Yep, with DDR you can forget these RDRAM's termination-in-the-last-slot and pairing-rules....

    The situation might change when P4 + DDR will be a reality, and widely available to public.
  15. I still don't think P4 is QUITE worth it (because of software optimizations), but it's very, very close.
    And I agree, DDR will be much better than RDRAM. It'll be interesting to see benchmarks of identical systems with DDR and RDRAM. Until now there's been no real way of comparing the two in a real-world test.

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  16. what's the matter, hate to hear the truth? somebody is actually relating true experiences and all you can do is go into accusation mode, you're a patheic piece of turd :-0.

    "AMD/VIA...you <i>still</i> are the weakest link, good bye!"
  17. Meltdown, you bash AMD as much as anyone bashes Intel.
    But you're right, nobody should be saying that's you in disguise.
    Unless it is, which is very possible.

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  18. No, I hate to see a$$holes like you make two names to try and bash something.

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  19. "One Example I can think of Is Unreal Tournament. With my Athlon in UT demo I score an average FPS the same as my p4. The thing is, in a game when 4 people are on screen at once my Athlon will drop to nerely 30 FPS from 70-100+ (depending upon scene) while the p4 drops but only about 3 frames per person (about half that of the Athlon)."

    You're going to have to try harder than that... My TBIRD 900 "B" ran UT at 120FPS, with at least 7 ppl on screen. (GeForce2GTS 32MB as well).

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  20. >I hate to see a$$holes like you make two names to try and bash something.

    wipe that sh!t off your face so you can see better! I just need one name and that name is AmdMeltdown!

    "AMD/VIA...you <i>still</i> are the weakest link, good bye!"
  21. Ummmm Bullsh!t, unless your sitting in a corner with 7 people behind you. There is no way, it does have alot to do with the scene your in. I was running mcswartzly][ and inside the flag room, 2 people in room I was running about 120 FPS, the other team attacked and the room filled with 6 peeps all firing at once and I dropped to 56 FPS. A simulated situtation on my athlon put the FPS around 40. I am not going into quoting other peeps cause i got better things to do, but I never said shipping had anything to do with either Intel or AMD I was stating what I prefer, nothing else. I am sure at the moment DDR is not a better perform than RDRAM, for the future NO ONE KNOWS and I don't pretend too. The whole Idea behind this post was to show that in my expeirence the P4 1.5ghz puts my 1.3ghz Athlon to shame. I am sure that if AMD could produce a 1.5ghz processor (which I am sure is right around the corner) it would probably go toe to toe with the P4, but as it stands in my book the p4 is a superior chip to the athlon. End Of Statments.
  22. yup, like i always said the P4 is better then the athlon. Well to bad DDR-SDRAM can't beat RDRAM.

    ! Member of the Intel Triple Threat w/ Fugger and AMDmeltdown !
  23. Ok, no bashing here, but you'll have to forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical about all this. It defies all bechmarking results I've seen. I don't have or play UT, so I'm not able to test this myself, nor am I familiar with "mcswartzly][".

    A few questions. Were both tests on a simulated demo, i.e. precalculated player movements et al? Was the game running completely on the local machine (no network traffic etc)?

    Kelledin

    "/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."
  24. Same here... (i am agreeing with mastercat). I was running unreal on a TB900 @ 1GHz at about 120FPS with at least 6 ppl on the screen.

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  25. Jesus christ......this guy just posts how he is impressed with the PIV, and he gets all these flames...[-peep-] this is called real world application, not that benchmark crap on programs the normal person doesn't give 2 fuucks about....everyone's system is going to be different...why can't you hopmos just be happy with what you have and be content with it...all you insecure AMD biatches get all defensive when they see intel getting props...I'm not an intel guy either..it's just obvious that evertime Intel has a posotive post...it becomes a shiit slanging war with all the insecure AMD diicks and Intel lovers.....jeuss christ if you care that much about your processor to defend it like it was the best ho in yo stable...you need to get a [-peep-] life....people diss my CYRIX, but I don't care...it does everything I need it to......when the time comes to upgrade...I'll be getting another Cyrix..but seriously AMD guys..you need to lighten up and realize that just cuz you bought a budget chip...it doesn't make you special.
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    this is called real world application, not that benchmark crap on programs the normal person doesn't give 2 fuucks about

    In case you didn't notice, this is turning out to be a benchmark as well. And it's Unreal Tournament, not some program "the normal person doesn't give 2 fuucks about." A great many of us are skeptical because this fellow's results vary waaaay too much from the results found by just about every credible reviewer out there. I find it odd, and I don't even have a personal frame of reference. So far, two people <i>do</i> have a personal frame of reference, and they confirm that something's out of place. I for one am not flaming, I'm just trying to nail down what's different here.

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    people diss my CYRIX, but I don't care...it does everything I need it to

    Great. More power to you. My parents both happily run Cyrix CPUs. Half my servers are on Intel CPUs that are downright decrepit by today's standards, but they do their job quite well.

    Kelledin

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  27. I mean, it slows down, but to around 100 or 95fps. not 30 or 40.

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  28. That's funny... you get what you pay for eh? Hahaha... one of my friends, despite all my warnings, went and bought himself a 1.7ghz P4 with a Ge2 Ultra and 256mb of that crappy RDRAM. One of my other buds currently has a 1.33ghz Athlon C, DDR memory, and an older Ge2 Ultra. Both systems wipe the floor with my overclocked Duron and GTS, but the Athlon rapes the performance of the P4 in most games and applications. For instance, making divx rips on the athlon was substantially faster than the P4... and the Athlon system cost several hundred less, and it actually has an upgrade path. I believe all you have paid for is the right to be delusional... after all, if I paid as much as you did for a crippled P4 processor instead of waiting for the real P4, I'd want to pretend it was top dog too..
  29. My god when I defended AMD I hope I didn't look as stupid as you pricks do. I didnt want to post on this subject again but... I paid a total of 100$ more for a p4 than I did with my Athlon. Now let me include the prices of all the cooling accessories I HAD TO ADD to get my athlon to run properly. It comes out just a little less than my p4. After my experience with this 1.5ghz, I am convinced that your quip about your friends (its always their friends isn't it) 1.33 athlon beating a 1.7ghz is nothing more lies. I have to agree with the post above, all I wanted to do was to help some peeps read through the bullsh!t that you guys spill on this forum. Again the p4 is a superiour chip to the Athlons.

    Ps. You are right I do not have an upgrade path but to the 1.7ghz, but everything I have been reading about the palomino they still arn't sure if AMD has an upgrade path from current platform.
  30. I would have to say that most reviewers arn't playing the game under real world situations but instead just running the demo and benchmarking that. Its the one app that I saw the most diffrence between the two. I didn't want to start a flaming war, but show that I am more impressed with my 1.5 than I am with my 1.3. Thats all! Maybe help out someone who has the money for a P4 but reads all these bad post about it and thinks that it is not worth it. It is worth the money.
  31. Alright now I know for sure you are a fake. Thanks for the signs.

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  32. If you think i am anyone other than who I am you are a dillusional fool.
  33. If you think we will believe you are who you say you are then you are dillusional fool.

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  34. How do you figure we're "dillusional" fools and pricks? You call my friends nonexistant and my words lies, yet I've seen the performance of these systems firsthand at many a LAN party with these people and I can only conclude that YOU are the one whose lying about system performance. Hell, I bet you didn't even purchase those two systems and you're just lying out your arse. I really can't stand for the kind of bullshit you're spewing..

    I am not an AMD fanatic.. I own far more Intel systems than AMD, and my only real beef with Intel so far has been this entire P4 fiasco. They never should have released such a pile of crap and told the public it was the best processor available, when what they *really* meant was that it *might* be the fastest processor available when they produce it to spec a year, year and a half later. All you seem to be is one of the Intel lemmings with a different handle trying to dupe people into purchasing the P4 platform.
  35. geez. look at all the kinda sad posts.
    if you could afford the p4 and are happy with what it delivers. thats cool.
    obviously its not going to be fore everyone, myself included.
    ive read the numberious p4 reviews and one of its big weakneses is floating point calculations. being a scientist, those are very important when making a processor choice. sure there is sse2 which helps BUT special software is needed. and thats unlikely for many apps i use and legacy software.
    as i am not stuffed with money, and in australia prices are both behind the us and more than twice as much, the price is of particular relivance. if i could afford a supercomputer, i would probably get one! :)

    thus i have made my choice. and am very happy with my 1200C @ 150fsb. as are you with your two beasts :)


    My Hamster doesnt like sarcasm. He may very well bite you in your hard to reach places!
  36. haha amd meltdown you are such a dumbass. You must have no life to be making different names on these forums.
  37. NO SH!T, PHUCK THIS FORUM. ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IN MY CASE I HAVE A VERY FAST VERY STABLE P4 1.5GHZ AND THAT I AM HAPPIER WITH MY P4 THAN WITH MY 1.3 ATHLON. IF THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR POSTING WHAT I FEEL THAN PHUNCK THIS FORUM AND ALL YOU LAMERS WHO KEEP POSTING BULLSH!T. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I POSTED AS I KNEW THAT ALL YOU [-peep-] LOSERS (AMD ASS KISSERS) WOULD CALL ME A LIAR. I WENT AND CHECKED SOME BENCHMARKS FROM HERE ON THE P4 AND HE'S USING A GOD DAMN VIA CHIPSET, WHAT KINDA BULLSH!T IS THAT?!?! MY INTEL BOARD KICKS THE SH!T OUT OF THAT VIA CHIPSET. DON'T REPLY TO THIS YOU PHUCKING THREAD AS I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. IF YOU THINK I AM SOMEONE ELSE THAN PHUCKIN READ ALL MY POST AND SEE HOW THIS FORUM MADE ME CHOOSE INTEL OVER AMD. YOU WHINNING LITTLE BITCHES ALL NEED TO GROW UP. SO PHUCK OFF LAMERS (EVERYONE WHO POSTED TO MY ORIGNAL POST CALLING ME A LIAR NEED TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR) YOU JUST LOST ANOTHER POSTER TO THIS FORUM CAUSE YOU GUYS WISH TO LET THE BLIND LEAD THE BLIND.

    P.S. WITH THG USING A VIA CHIPSET INSTEAD OF AN INTEL CHIPSET I THINK HE SET INTEL UP TO LOSE THOSE BENCHMARKS. I HAVE TO QUESTION ANY REVIEW THE MAN HAS DONE WITH COMPARISSONS TO AMD AND INTEL.

    P.S.S. BTW ANYONE WHO THINKS I AM AMDMELTDOWN DIDN'T READ ALL MY POST. I DON'T EVEN LIKE THOSE GUYS AS ALL THEY DO IS BAD MOUTH AMD, AND AS I SAID B4 I AM AN AMD SUPPORTER. ITS JUST MY P4 IS A SUPERIOUR CHIP TO MY ATHLON. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I GOT A BAD ATHLON, IN WHICH CASE I HAVE MORE REASON TO FAVOR MY P4.
  38. Jesh, calm down, if you are happy with your PIV thats great. If it is better then the T-Bird cool. I could care less who you are. I am very happy with my T-Bird setup and thank you for your first comments. Sorry to see you go.
  39. WELL LOOKIE HERE. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN BOASTING SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY OFFLINE WITH EVERYTHING WE'EVE EVER HEARD YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO LET IT SLIP? NO. I APOLOGIZE FOR EVERYTHING BUT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM.

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  40. excuse me... but if your going to complain/flame, please do it to someone who disagrees.
    i will now reiterate what i said earlier:

    if you can afford the Pentium 4 and like the level of performance it provides, then i am very happy for you.


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  41. "I WENT AND CHECKED SOME BENCHMARKS FROM HERE ON THE P4 AND HE'S USING A GOD DAMN VIA CHIPSET, WHAT KINDA BULLSH!T IS THAT?!?! MY INTEL BOARD KICKS THE SH!T OUT OF THAT VIA CHIPSET."

    I would like to see a link!!!!!!!!

    There is NO via-chipset for the curent P4. Intel 850 is the only one.

    And one more thing: athlon kicks p4s ass in UT in ALL the reviews I have seen. Maybe you are not able to install the 4 in 1 drivers.

    YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS AND THAT IS THE REASON YOU BOUGHT A P4. You paid big money for this thing and now you wont admit that its not a top-performer.
  42. I think I may have a solution to your quarrel. You see, I LOVE playing multiplayer games, and have noticed a corrolation between the FPS and your internet connection. For instance, in Counterstrike just staring at a wall (by the way, I have GF3, 1.2 Ghz T-Bird, 512 DDR, AMD 761 Chipset) I get max. 70 FPS. However, I have 56 K, and when I fight someone, I go down to somtimes 1 FPS b/c my internet. Otherwise, when I run Half-Life or Counterstrike on an LAN w/ my friends, I get 500+ FPS. Same thing hapens with UT I have noticed.

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  43. the reason why you only get 70 fps in cs is because of the setting in the console. You have to write something in the consolle to get more frames (goto a gamers forum and ask what). My frames went up from 71 to over 100.
  44. Two things come to mind:
    4-in-1 (did you install them ?)
    Internet connectivity. How are you connected ? I hope you're not comparing a USB modem to a LAN router or something. I noticed my FPS really went down with a stupid USB modem (on both a P3 500 and an Duron@933). I now have an old 486 setup as router, connected to ADSL internet, and with a 100 Mb NIC to my primary computer. That really really helped.

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    it outclasses my athlon at about everything it does.


    Yo, I'm having a hard time with this thread since it turned into a [-peep-] throwing contest, but I have to ask why you said this. You only mentioned getting a couple more frames per second in unreal. That means absolutely nothing to me since getting 50+ frames per second is not a problem. What about dvd-ripping, multitasking, bryce, photoshop, poser, matlab, alice, giants, 3d studio max, black and white, sacrafice etc?

    Did I read you correctly, or did you base your superior performance on a 6 frames/person difference in UT?

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  46. Yup that sounds true that the P4 1.5ghz can outclass a old outdated Athlon. Good Choice the P4 will win at the end. Don't mind these amd zealots. They only like to fight.

    ! Member of the Intel Triple Threat w/ Fugger and AMDmeltdown !
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  48. HUH? Just give me the facts mam.
  49. i'm a little teapot
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