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Northwood/Brookdale Benchmarks (correction)

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From <b><A HREF="http://www.aceshardware.com" target="_new">Ace's Hardware</A></b>
<font color=red>Thanks to Florian and Palm for writing in about these <b><A HREF="http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/740/index.html" target="_new">Northwood and Brookdale benchmarks (German)</A></b> published by tecChannel.de. As you know, Northwood is the 0.13-micron Pentium 4, which also uses a new package, <b><font color=blue>mPGA-478</b></font color=blue>. The smaller Northwood Pentium 4 should run faster and cost less to produce due to its smaller size. Interestingly, the chip is said to contain the same amount of cache as Willamette, which means an 8 KB L1 (D-CACHE) and a 256 KB L2.

The review includes a number of benchmarks of a 1.5 GHz Northwood coupled with the Brookdale chipset and PC133 SDRAM. Unfortunately, the limited memory interface does not seem to play to the chip's advantages, as it performs rather poorly (generally about the speed of a 1 GHz Pentium III) and falls behind the 0.18-micron 1.5 GHz Pentium 4, which is paired with the i850 chipset. The Northwood/Brookdale/PC133 combination is roughly 10% slower than an equivalently clocked Pentium 4 with PC800 DRDRAM in most benchmarks. Will Brookdale be a success given this level of performance? If the price is right, perhaps. As Northwood's introduction draws closer, we should see more results with faster memory, like PC800 DRDRAM and PC2100 DDR SDRAM.</font color=red>

<b>Edit</b>
<b><A HREF="http://www.aceshardware.com/" target="_new">Ace's Hardware</A></b> has put up a correction on this article. It's actually is <font color=blue>Willamette Pentium 4</font color=blue> core in new mPGA-478 packaging.


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Nice bullsh!t post you put there you moron. No one has a Northwood chip yet, and for one they ain't gonna be realeased at 1.5Ghz, and they got 512K of L2 cache.
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Reply to scarywoody
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Northwood isn't 256kb i think he got his hands a P4 Celeron. Northwood should have 512kb. Also VIA DDR chipset should be out.

Nice Intel and AMD users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:

Reply to rcf84

<b>The smaller Northwood Pentium 4 should run faster and cost less to produce due to its smaller size. Interestingly, the chip is said to contain the same amount of cache as Willamette, which means an 8 KB L1 (D-CACHE) and a 256 KB L2. </b>

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Reply to khha4113
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Doesn't the current P4 have L1 20kb ???

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Reply to rcf84

LOL LOL LOL

Bookedale + Northwood performance = P3 0,18 performance

LOL LOL LOL

NO wonder Rayston left the board LOL LOL

LOL LOL LOL

Reply to Anonymous
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OEM builders do have northwoods, and we also have brookdale.

WE also signed NDA, and forbidden to post benchmarks.

Reply to FUGGER
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There are a ton of the older ES "engineering samples" running around now, they are supposed to be returned to Intel or destroyed. the oldest samples are slower with less cache, without actually knowing the build date. its hard to say if thats one of the first P4 northwoods built.

Im sure it makes AMD owners spooge onthemselves but those benchmarks show the processor they are benching is not even as fast as a wilmette not counting the PC133 SDRAM. The cache size is also an indication of the age of the ES.

Reply to FUGGER

Presumptive, aren't we...

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Reply to Raystonn

that was quick.....

Reply to Anonymous

Tom Pabst stated that he had a "1.7 GHz Pentium 4 with Willamete core" the german site appears to have a slower version of what THG has.

btw, get a load of the ancient benchmarking software they are using!

"AMD/VIA...you <i>still</i> are the weakest link, good bye!"

Reply to AmdMELTDOWN

Quote :

WE also signed NDA, and forbidden to post benchmarks.



Who is "WE"? And what job do you have/company do you own that you get Intel samples?

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Reply to FatBurger
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Apparently works for SGI.

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Reply to peteb
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Just ignore those trolls. The results you cited are perfectly reasonable. The 0.13 micron technology enables P4 to go to higher clock speed, but the chips rated at the same speed and of the same core design should run about the same, regardless processing technology. Naturally, the one with PC133 memory will underperform compared to the one with dual channel RDRAM. However, I would assume the 0.13 micron P4 will have more headroom for overclocking if Intel had not locked the multiplier.

**Spin all you want, but we the paying consumers will have the final word**

Reply to bhc

Raystonn! Welcome back man, a lot of us missed you!

(No, I'm not making fun of you. You really have been missed.)

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Reply to Kelledin

So why does'nt Intel allow the release of the brookdale using DDR? We all know the chipset supports it, yet they (intel) choose to delay the DDR launch for it? Something sure smells fishy in Denmark here..... Still trying to slam that RDRAM down its users throats. Users should not even bother with Brookdale until it is released with DDR support, then this chipset will show us what it is realy capable of and why the motherboard makers are calling it the next I815. One last question, is the p4 after the die shrink still slated to get back its missing FPU?

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!

Reply to Ncogneto

nice to see you back.
the cpu forum has been lacking logic and rational thought.
and the trolls have been extra feisty.

AMD chips run hot. The world is getting hotter. Therefore, AMD is causing Global Warming!

Reply to lhgpoobaa

What do you mean ???

Have his friends AmdMeltDown, FUGGER and bowser not been doing a good job?:-)

Reply to Anonymous
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Raystonn has been playing "good cop" to his friends' "bad cop," or more accurately rational spin vs irrational spin. :) Kidding aside, there is nothing wrong to champion your employer's cause (in fact I think it is natural) as long as you do it by rational argument and solid data. Kudos to Raystonn who consistently delivers that. It's indeed nice to see him back.

**Spin all you want, but we the paying consumers will have the final word**

Reply to bhc
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well...

<font color=blue>die-hard fans don't have heat-sinks!</font color=blue>

Reply to girish

It appears that it actually is <b><font color=blue>Willamette Pentium 4 core</b></font color=blue> not a <b><font color=blue>Northwood</b></font color=blue> (<b><A HREF="http://www.aceshardware.com" target="_new">Ace's</A></b> and <b><A HREF="http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/740/index.html" target="_new">the German site</A></b> had corrected this article).
>><b>The original site responsible for the review has published a correction indicating the chip is indeed a standard Willamette Pentium 4 in the new mPGA-478 packaging and not a true Northwood. This stands to explain a great many things, such as the smaller (256KB) L2 cache.</b><<

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Reply to khha4113
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moo

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Reply to killall
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. The results you cited are perfectly reasonable. The 0.13 micron technology enables P4 to go to higher clock speed, but the chips rated at the same speed and of the same core design should run about the same, regardless processing technology. Naturally, the one with PC133 memory will underperform compared to the one with dual channel RDRAM. However, I would assume the 0.13 micron P4 will have more headroom for overclocking if Intel had not locked the multiplier.

Tuatulin 512 kb L2 is the fastest cpu for clock for clock and without ASUS mobo.

Tuatulin have the same design that that copermine except the 512 L2.Coppermine is second in clock for clock strangely 1 now that he got 0.13 micron.


(not sure)

If the size of the cpu is smaller with the same number of transistor the path for data transfer is shorter so faster in the same way ?????

Reply to juin
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Good call Raystonn,

Ok, now about OEM's releasing "Intel Confidential" chips.

Whats Intels stance on slipping a site like THG a ES chip?

As you can clearly see on the pic "Intel Confidential" is printed on top. I feel it is a violation of NDA and should be punishable.

This article was incorect from the start and could possibly been posted to mislead people.

Reply to FUGGER

Have you guys gotten your hand on the Brookdale that supports DDR?

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