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i crank up the focus and it idles around 750rpm(normally idles at 1100 while sitting still) and then slows cuts off, it happens all times of day(wet, dry, hot, cooler) and if i press on the gas it wont die and will be fine to drive.

anyways, does this sound like a clogged fuel injector maybe or failing fuel pump?

any help would be nice, thanks

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Hmm, could be a failing idle adjustment sensor, even tho they usually idle up when failing.

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Reply to RichPLS

Fuel injection might be clogged. Might has poor vacuum, replace that air filter lately?

If you listen under your car, you should be able to hear a very slight buzz from the fuel pump.. if you hear that and it sounds consistent, it's probably not the problem.

I really doubt it's the pump. Clogged FI would be the first thing I'd check.

Reply to Riser

Dirty fuel pump filter in tank will cause similar result. As you start it will have enough fuel, till it sucks large particles up clogging flow and lowering idle till it dies.
Take it somewhere and have em diagnose it electronically. Some do this for free.
If not, I bought a code reader from AutoZone for 40bux for my trucks.

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Reply to RichPLS

I've seen plugged catalytic converters do that... The beads swell up & the exhaust can't get out.. My cousin just replaced one, after he replaced the trany, that he thought was the problem... $2500 for the trany & $1800 for the cat. converter... Only had 85k on it...

I'd get it scoped.. That's the only way to make sure of what you've got.. Auto Zone will do a basic test read of the codes, for free....

They don't make them like they used to... :frown:




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Reply to RCPilot

The problem is that it's a Focus. :P

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Reply to ksoth

NEVER, I MEAN NEVER QUESTION A FOCUS, AGAIN!
Focus once or twice, its all good! ;)

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Reply to RichPLS

Its in economy mode...

Gas or air are insufficient. when it sits at that low idle, does it sound like its missing (easy to tell on a 4cyl.)? If not, it's not an injector.

Pull the air cleaner and see if it does it then - if that fixes it get a new air cleaner. Otherwise check the fuel filter and pump.

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Reply to fishmahn

Multi-port fuel injection means one injector per cylinder... Why would an injector on a multi-port injection engine not cause a mis-fire?

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Reply to RichPLS

???? I think I either didn't explain myself well, or you misunderstood. If 1 injector is clogged, then there will be a misfire. If it isn't misfiring, its likely not the injectors.

So, to answer your question bluntly - because it isn't clogged... :evil:

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Reply to fishmahn

lol bastage; you can only afford so much on USmilitary pay :redface:

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Reply to mrface

just had the air filter replaced and the fuel filter.

ehh, im hoping its not the pump...

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Reply to mrface

Knowing you, it's clogged. With Uncle Ben's. Try not to take the goal of "ricing out" your little Focus so literally in the future.

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Reply to Auburn9698

Probably the Idle sensor. My F150 did the same thing . Replaced a $40 sensor and good to go.

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Reply to Rick_Criswell

Since your budjet, just cut a hole in the floor board and run with it... Better mileage and speed! ;)

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Reply to RichPLS

Take the gold whale tail off and maybe you should take the wheel extensions and spinners off too.

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Reply to dhlucke

awww but i like the spinners.

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Reply to mrface

They gotta go. Those 8" spinners are just not cool and they're screwing your ride up.

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Reply to dhlucke

Wingding screwed your gas port. His man juice is clogging your fuel system. Pay a prostitute to suck the fuel out of the car (if you can convince her to drink it all, then you probably won't have to pay her).

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Reply to silverpig

Idle motor, or idle sensor which ever you have could be the problem, also the EGR valve can produce some funky problem.

Does the Focus have a self diagnosis feature you can activate to find out exactly what the problem is?

If it does, you can find how to activate and read the results in a repair manual you can pick up from auto parts dealers.

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Reply to 4ryan6

im not really worried about the manual i could fix any of the probs if i knew exactly what the prob was :eek:

im just not sure what it is yet, prolly take oit to autozone tomorrow.

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Reply to mrface

While we're on the topic of odd reported measurements, I notice my fuel meter's arrow often fluctuates half a notch more or less. I was told altitude can cause that, and even some dirty fuel or materials inside the reservoir can cause misreadings.

Any ideas on you guys' side?

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Reply to eden

is it an erratic movement or subtle?

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Reply to mrface

That's an easy one :) Fuel level is usually determined via a float inside the tank. As you move - accellerate & slow down, turn corners, go up and down hills, etc., the fuel sloshes around in the tank, and the float bobs up and down. Various methods can limit the fluctuations (electronic tracking using a moving average of measurements, etc), but the fluctuations are always there.

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Reply to fishmahn

Subtle. But it is noticeable, just subtle as in slow.

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Reply to eden

Yeah that's similar to what a bud told me.

So I guess it's normal eh?

I ask all this because I'm trying to get a good idea of my car's fuel consumption and therefore sometimes it may report being low on gas when it only fluctuated near that low fuel zone and there was still a few more liters in there.

Speaking of which, even with a Z24 engine, is a Cavalier with AC on, supposed to only do ~350KM per full filling? The tank is around 56L. (sorry for the Metric, I only know that)
After calculating the usage, I get a full 15L/100, which is VERY bad, way beyond the average city consumption on it, of 10L/100KM (for a 4-inline). Hell that is worse than your average SUV!

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Reply to eden

You were driving a hot pink ford fiesta right? Or was it a Geo Metro?

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Reply to dhlucke

More like <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/edenx10/z24.jpg" target="_new">this</A>. :eek:

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Reply to eden

Cavalier. The blind spot machine.

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Reply to dhlucke

you suck at parking

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Reply to mrface

Blind spot machine? As in it has problematic blind spot viewing?

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Reply to eden

Actually it's a weird wide front to narrower back parking space, so that's why it looks like I didn't park right at all. :wink:

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Reply to eden

a few cheap things i would try first... new spark plugs and wires, fuel treatment and injector cleaner, new air filter.

if that doesnt help you out i would try to find someone that can run it on a computer and get the error codes for you.

if all else fails just pour rubbing alcohol in the heater vents..

causes a nice fire without the nasty accelerant residue..good for fooling the insurance company

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Reply to Bob369

GM's (Chevy, Olds, Pontiac, etc.) all fluctuate a lot, Fords (Mercury, etc.) don't fluctuate as much, my Nissan does just a little, but generally its rock solid (and dead on accurate), so I'd say yah, pretty much all of them do. Only time I pay attention to what the gauge tells me is after going a steady speed (or stopped) for a solid minute, and on a level surface - and even that I take it with a grain of salt.

GM just doesn't do small cars very well. Lets see, 350k is about 210miles, and 56L is 14.8gal. Assuming you put about 12gal per fill, that means --- gaah, my wife's V6 van gets that --- 17mpg (7K/L). Wow, I thought Cav's got better mileage than that. Anyways, the Z24 engine is a high output (so to speak) standard engine, and being 'souped up' reduces fuel efficiency. Probably changed the gearing a bit for better performance too, which will also reduce mileage (umm, K/L in your case :smile: )

AC really sucks the juice out of little engines. The compressor is driven off the crank, so it directly reduces fuel efficiency. My parents bought a first-year Cav (1980) back then and even with the 5-speed manual you could really tell when the AC was on.

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Reply to fishmahn

lol for a minute there i thought Edens care had hubcap spinners on it

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Reply to Bob369

yeah did the fuel treatment and air filter.


i havent got around to getting in comped yet but soon.

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Reply to mrface

OK I figured out what is wrong with my car.


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[sigh] :frown:

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Reply to mrface

What happened? You get pissed off and put your foot to it?

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Reply to 4ryan6

some jackass ran a light and swiped me in the driverside of the trunk. good thing he doesnt have insurance or i dont know what i would do.

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Reply to mrface

Redneck plates!

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Reply to dhlucke

Quote :

good thing he doesnt have insurance





??????????????? You lost me there??????????????

Thats a good thing?




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Reply to 4ryan6

That's a redneck thing. They don't like people who can afford insurance and stuff.

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Reply to dhlucke

sarcasm....

ehh...

i say we sic wingy on him....

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Reply to mrface

Man its getting cold in here I need to go back down the AC some!:)




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Reply to 4ryan6

OH carcasm

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Reply to 4ryan6

Hell is freezing over.

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Reply to dhlucke

Drag Man!!!



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Reply to RCPilot

Yeah I went to their tour, it was rather disapointing, theres nothing worse than people that cannot control themselves drinking in public, acting like screaming idiots, screaming and yelling all the way through their songs, they were yelling so loud and falling all over everything that you couldn't even hear the music, very disapointing!!!




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Reply to 4ryan6

You have full coverage, no? Be sure to claim that the accident if causing your car not to idle. :)

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Reply to RichPLS

yeah i got full coverage, so its not gonna cost me much,except ill be without a car for awhile. hopefully the frame isnt torqued, then im screwed.

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