CAN Abit BH6rev1.0? run coppermine P-3's ???

[Guest]

I posted this in the mainboards forum as well, as I would like to get as much input as possible, sorry for any inconvenience caused .

I have an ABIT BH6 rev 1.02 mobo, and I am heading for an upgrade..(gonna retire my celery 400@450) , so I need to know once and for all: Do BH6 rev 1.01 1.02 1.03 and so on support Coppermine P-3's , eventhough ABIT faq say they 'probably don't, thanks to power supply probably being insufficient' ???
Anyone with any experience on the subject, please post!

 

[Guest]

Can no one say ??

 

[Guest]

my bh-6 would go to 112mhz fsb with a celery2 566
old 400 would go to 500 (6*83)
my board was rev 1.05, cann't remember bios rev. (ss rings a bell)
you should have sucess with a celeron2 around 600-700Mhz (9-10.5 multiplier) overclock to 100fsb easy, giving you a 900+MHz unit. just use good quality slocket (mine was MSI)

i think using celeron helps with power concerns. my 566 was a very early one and was rock solid @ 850

on your old 400 <A HREF="http://www.overclockers.com.au/pcdb/view.php?name=Jake&page=pics" target="_new"> check out this <font color=red> 466@933 </font color=red> </A>

so bh-6 should run any coppermine as long as its EB (100 fsb)




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[Guest]

Well, that is another issue. Just how much of a performance hit do I get for choosing celery II over p-3 ?
I found a great site with an ABIT BH6 faq, covering the main issue of this thread. http://www.anomaly.org.au/bh6faq/FAQ/faq.html
Coppermines seem to run on every BH6 boards .

 

[Guest]

if its performance you want, give it away and buy a T-bird, cel2 is cheap upgrade, at 100 fsb cel2 gives away 100-200Mhz to same clock p3
your board will not run 133 fsb chips, 1000EB chips are incredibly expensive
either way, 900+ and g2 mx equals amazing difference to your 400




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[Guest]

About half coppermines are 100 fsb chips tho..IF i can get one of those relatively cheap.. :/
you mean cel 2 is about 100-200 mhz slower than equally clocked p3 ?

 

[Crashman]

I compaired a Celeron 850 (100FSB) to a PIII 700 (100FSB) directly on the same system. The Celeron lost. I posted the benchmarks in here. I think it was about 7% slower. The only reason I can come up with is that the benchmarks were optomised for 256k cache. A guy above stated that your board would support Coppermines, as he was using a Celeron 566 (Coppermine Celeron, aka Celeron 2). If this is the case, I recommend the PIII 700 overclocked to 933. Doing this gives you a 933 for around $95, and setting your bus to 133 allows you to maintain the ideal 33MHz PCI bus using the BX's 1/4 PCI divider.
Your motherboard should support that 133MHz bus with the latest BIOS. If for some reason you find it won't, the 750 is even cheaper than the 700 ($89), but will not overclock as easily as the 700.
Because Abit mentions a voltage issue concerning Coppermines, I recommend the Abit Slotket III (available from googlegear.com for $8) which has onboard voltage controlls, in combination with a FC-PGA PIII processor. To take the 700 to 933 I recomend a core vlotage of 1.75v.
Remember that all Coppermines are multiplier locked, so any overclocking must be done by bus speed adjustment.

Video killed my Radio Card!

 

[Guest]

go for performance to dollar ratio
e.g cel2 667 overclocked to 1000 = p3@800 = $x
p3 = $y

crashman - his board wont do 133 fsb even with bios update! - crystal clock generator onboard wont do 1/4 divider.

there is a different bios for bh-6 rev 1.2 and later
- these have 1/4 div.

maybe someone here has flashed the wrong version and knows of the consequences

but by the sound of it, abit made the changes for a reason


ps dont pour the cash into a dead solution - thats why i suggested a cel2.







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[Crashman]

Well, the 750 is still a good deal for $89. And most Celeron 667's will not overclock to 1000MHz, I've tried a couple.

Video killed my Radio Card!

 

[Guest]

most celys will do 900+, maybe his best performance/price would be a cel2 600, these do 900 easy, his board has fsb settings of 66 - 75 - 83 - 100 - 103 - 112 - 124
so with some luck a cel 600 at 112 = 1008, if not 900 is not so shabby.

on pricewatch ATM
p3 750 = $85

c2 600 = $37
msi slocket = $19

difference = $29

the end-user experience is about equal.






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[Crashman]

Maybe. I had a couple that would not. the PIII 750 will do the job, does not need to be overclocked, and my PIII 700 beet my Celoron 850, so the PIII 750 should beet a Celeron at 900. And he can always bump the bus speed up with the 750 also, 112x7.5=840

Video killed my Radio Card!

 

[Guest]

´Why would I not be able to set fsb to 133 ? I can do that even with my current (400) celery.
I would indeed prefer a p3..but they are mutt expensive here! p3-700(100 fsb) IF you can even find it ~ 160 $
P3-800(100 fsb) ~ 190 $ ..that isn't even fun..
Though I may be able to get a p3-800(100) for about 140 $ . WOuld that be preferable to celery-2 say 800 for maybe 75 $?

 

[MeTaLrOcKeR]

WOW, those are some disgustingly high prices!!!

If you realyl weant the Performance, go for the P-III....
But if your worried about money...hmmm....I say get a better video card fro now and set your FSB on ur current Celery to 83....
6*83 = 500MHz..
i know cuz i had a 400MHz PPGA Celery....until it fried itself... =*(
damn Sloket Converter cards =(
but yes.....i nkow it'l run stable at 500MHz...i had one...if you need to just up the voltage.....keep in mind its a temp. solution....
or u can get a newer Celery...even trhoguh its nto as good as a PIII....ur lookign for cost effectiveness here right?
hmm...tough choice...

-MeTaL RoCkEr
My <font color=red> Z28 </font color=red> can take your <font color=blue> P4 </font color=blue> off the line!

 

[Guest]

Cost effectiveness yes,....and my celery won't go beyond 75 MHz fsb without more cooling; and I won't buy a better fan for it..wan't a bit more power than 50 more MHz
And high prices, yes ! VERY high prices ! And no american company seem to ship overseas! ANd The ATI Radeon 32 MB DDR LE can't even be found here...few people have heard of it...I want it !!!

 

[Crashman]

The other guy argued about 133 support. As I said, the best PIII for overclocking to 133 is the 700, because 933 is almost garunteed (less than 1% failure rate). The 750 at 1GHz, about a 50% failure rate. The 800@1066, about an 80% failure rate. Since bus speed is the key to performance, I recommended the 700@933. But even the 800E (100) at 112 would be good.
If you really want a Celery, the 566 goes to 850 at 100MHz FSB. But even at 850 the Celery sucks.

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[Ncogneto]

Crashman is right in what he is saying, I myself have a pentium 750 that will not do 133 FSB (On a I815 board). If you plan on overclocking the 700 is a better chip.

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