AMD CONFIRMS CPU FLAW!

AmdMELTDOWN · Jul 24, 2001

oh yeah, It's getting stale in here so I decided to cheer you ppl up a bit.

<A HREF="http://216.194.77.198/news/2001/july/010723_AMD_JPEG/010723_AMD_JPEG.htm" target="_new">AMD cpu's make your jpeg's and mpeg's look like [-peep-].</A> nice link Van! oh btw stfu about the P4 throttling already! you made it seem like it was rampant and now you're back peddling and accusing Inquest? please.

Update! 7/24 changed title. was AMD REVEALS FLAW!
Update! 7/27 added "n" to cofirm LOL!
"AMD/VIA...you still are the weakest link, good bye!"

kaz · Jul 24, 2001

Yes, it's nice that AMD stands behind their product and helps the consumer resolve the issue.
Wasn't there an Intel cpu a while ago that had problems and Intel wasn't going to recall it????

funkdog · Jul 24, 2001

By the way, just to correct your english, it should be .... AMD/VIA you are STILL the weakest link, good bye!

"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."

Guest · Jul 24, 2001

Itsy bitsy lil flaw! Miniscule compared to some other chipmaker...

Is there a forum for forum addiction?

xxsk8er101xx · Jul 24, 2001

Oh "it must be on the internet so it's true". You are a complete idiot! Number one there is nothing about it on AMD's site. If it isn't on AMD's site why would you believe it? You're the type of person that would read at a site you believe to be credible and read "Aliens Invaded" and believe it cos you're a moron!

If you knew anything about computers, which by this post proves you know jack [-peep-] about computers, you would know that cpu's don't look at a jpeg or mpeg file and say, "hey it's a jpeg lets slow down and make the jpeg look bad". If that article was true it would affect everything not just jpeg and mpeg rendering! The chip would run slower then a normal chip. Now because it says it effects how mpegs and jpegs are rendered and AMD has nothing about it on there website i conclude the site is a hoax or a very stupid journalist who has no clue what a computer is wrote that.

What crap! God you people are naive and believe anything thats on the web without taking logic into consideration. Entirely stupid!

void renderJPG(){
int yourIQ = 345;

if(IsJPG(renderBadly)){
int newIQ;

asm{
mov ax, yourIQ
xor ax, ax
mov newIQ, ax
}

cout << "your IQ = " << newIQ << endl;
}

LOL!

edited cos there was a syntax error lol!
Edited by xxsk8er101xx on 07/24/01 09:36 AM.

FatBurger · Jul 24, 2001

I'd have to agree. The nice man with the family named Gordon can't possibly be wrong, right? After all, he has a PhD in Computer Science and was one of the people who helped INVENT the microprocessor, for crying out loud!

Wait, no he didn't. Maybe it's actually some punk kid in Israel who decided to grab the www.gordonfamily.com domain and make up a few rumors. Hmm...possibly, but unlikely.

If someone knew as much about processors as this guy claims to, why would he be using a K6-2? Especially since he JUST NOW noticed the problem, he can't have had it for very long. And he claims Durons and Athlons have the same problem? You mean to say that he has a flawed chip of all three types (or knows people who do), but the problem hasn't even surfaced until now? I doubt it. The chances are just not in this guy's favor.

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AmdMELTDOWN · Jul 24, 2001

funkdog, thanks! that sound much better now, sounds Just like the bitch on tv!

"AMD/VIA...you still are the weakest link, good bye!"

AmdMELTDOWN · Jul 24, 2001

yo dorky, all jpegs and mpegs rely on algorithms to display properly, if your beloved cpu has a flaw then these types of images will display much like the "L" sign on your forehead.

AMD has denied this for over 2yrs and now they admit it? wtf?

the fact that AMD has finally confirmed this and has relayed their finding via the <A HREF="http://216.194.77.198/news/2001/july/010723_AMD_JPEG/010723_AMD_JPEG.htm" target="_new">Van Smith website</A> is all I need to formulate my opinions and give you the bad news, too bad, boo hoo!

"AMD/VIA!...you are still the weakest link, good bye!"

OmegaX · Jul 24, 2001

Why do you insist on creating threads to start up flame wars...you know that there are hardcore Intel and AMD lovers out there and you are just pressing buttons!

And btw..both Intel and AMD as well as every other manufacturer of computer equipment has made a low quality product or recalled a product. It does not matter, because both Intel and AMD have released great products recently, especially AMD has improved greatly from where it used to be.

Instead of trying to cause trouble, why not have an intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of different products, because really the decision to buy one product or the other is user preference.

My System: <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=9417" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=9417</A>

FatBurger · Jul 24, 2001

Here is an email I received from Van of Van's Hardware, in reply to my request for proof of AMD's confirmation:

The issue is so small, that I don’t think AMD is going to put up an official press release. Other than Damon’s remarks, this will probably be the extent of AMD’s statements on it. The company views this problem like it views any defective parts landing in the hands of consumers – it falls under their warranty and they support their warranties.

Regards,

Van

The way I read it? AMD HAS NOT CONFIRMED THIS IN THE LEAST, THIS IS PROBABLY A HOAX.
I could very easily be wrong about that, but come on, Meltdown, you have to do better than that.

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khha4113 · Jul 24, 2001

If you read <A HREF="http://216.194.77.198/news/2001/july/010723_AMD_JPEG/010723_AMD_JPEG.htm" target="_new">his article</A> carefully, there is only
'that a tiny fraction of AMD K6-2, Athlon and Duron processors contain a flaw that leads to incorrect JPEG and MPEG rendering under certain narrowly described circumstances. '
and AMD will exchange defective ones.
…the testing methods in past production cycles of the AMD-K6®, AMD Athlon™ and AMD Duron™ processor families did not detect a small number of processors that exhibited a minor manufacturing issue that could potentially cause the distortion of JPEG images or MPEG audio/video. The issue is not design related and has been addressed through additional manufacturing tests AMD has implemented.

Since the problem was first discovered, we've received a very limited number of customer inquiries regarding this issue, and AMD has in each case made every attempt to resolve the issue. A very small number of AMD processors may exhibit this issue. AMD has updated its test measures, and we stand behind the quality and reliability of our products. We encourage any customer who believes they may be encountering this issue to contact their AMD field sales representative or AMD technical support. AMD technical support may be reached at (408) 749-3060.
If you're working in production industry, it is a situation that happens sometimes.
Are you so ignorant to realize that?

Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.

FUGGER · Jul 24, 2001

I love the downplay, "Only a handfull of processors".

Yet this problem spans all the current product lines.

xxsk8er101xx · Jul 24, 2001

hey moron!!! do you even know what an algorithm is!?
guess what interprets your algorithm!? your CPU you dumb ass ignorant computer illiterate fool! Thats all the cpu does is take the machine language (do you even know what machine language is!?) and does whatever the machine language tells the CPU to do! There is no algorithm that controls JPG's in your processor you dumb f'uck it's all programmed by progammers who make the program to read JPG's!

What is your highest level of education in computer science!? I'm assuming thats your major since you believe you know what your talking about but don't have a frickin clue!

My sig is better then your's!

xxsk8er101xx · Jul 24, 2001

lol i know it is a hoax! because i know how cpu's work.. it's a mindless tool that does whatever the code tells it too! There is NO and i mean NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! algorithm in the processor that controls JPGS this is stupid and anyone who believes it is a fool! The CPU just does whatever the code says 800mhz or whatever the speed is along with its fetch, decode, process, and store = 1 cycle. so it's doing 4 things in 1 cycle unlike a MIPS processor which does 1 thing per cycle.

off on a tangent but how else can i prove my credibility over this fool running his mouth with a pair of scissors in his hands and running a muck like a fool he is!

My sig is better then your's!

noko · Jul 24, 2001

Well lets see, I owned a K6-2 400, K6-3 400, currently own a Athlon 700@800 and a T-Bird 1200c @ 1.46. I've havn't any of those problems ever. Why don't we do a quick survey to see if this really is a present day problem. Oh, also built a Duron 650 system 7 months ago still going strong and no such problem. I've havn't seen it in my tour of AMD products. Maybe it is one in 100,000 chips that may exhibit this problem. Of course a nice looking famility with a Computer Genius with a Phd in computing using his K6-2? (speaks loudly his wisdom in choosing AMD over Intel) finds this problem a few years after the first K6-2 first produced. Well anyone else ever heard this or saw this??? In any forums? any news annoicements? considering that the K6-2s have been out for a long time?

1.5 T-Bird
2.1 P4 SpeedEdited by noko on 07/24/01 05:29 PM.

AmdMELTDOWN · Jul 24, 2001

>guess what interprets your algorithm!? your CPU

lol, guess what's not interpreting the algorithm correctly? your AMD CPU you dumb ass ignorant computer illiterate fool!

note, I never said that a cpu has a built in jpg algorithm, dorky.

"AMD/VIA!...you are still the weakest link, good bye!"

Guest · Jul 24, 2001

AMD Meltdown is just trying to discourage people from buying amd... you should just ignore his lame ass posts..

xxsk8er101xx · Jul 24, 2001

so then you admit it's a hoax?

My sig is better then your's!

noko · Jul 24, 2001

Since thermal throttling is a fact plus proved by Intels own WhitePaper to prevent the CPU from destroying itself, also noted by a number of tests done on some P4's/mobo's with a 1.8ghz P4, this is a real problem. In addition the power requirement of a P4 1.8ghz cpu is 82-84w while the T-Bird 1.4ghz is 72w. Without thermal throtling the hot spots in the P4 would get excessively hot making the cpu worthless or defective. Maybe that is why so many benchmarks are so low with the P4. Also why you don't see to many overclocked 1.8 P4s, maybe because when overclocked they get thermaled throttled to Celeron speeds. So when you buy a P4 at 1.8ghz depending on mobo, temp, particular cpu you get, you may have a much lower performing cpu then expected. Amazing that Intel design gates in the cpu to shutdown sections to prevent overheating, sounds like junk to me and poor engineering. Looks like the P4 .18micron technology was rigged to get the P4 out to compete against the T-Bird. Except A T-Bird with slower clock speeds outperforms a much higher clocked P4 in virtually every benchmark.

I hope the Northwood gets rid of this junk engineering and offers a truely good cpu. Otherwise expect AMD to take a substantial market share away from Intel.

1.5 T-Bird
2.1 P4 SpeedEdited by noko on 07/24/01 04:24 PM.

Guest · Jul 24, 2001

noko,

Clock speed isn't the only thing that affects processing speed. I know it's an older site but you should check out: <A HREF="http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm" target="_new">http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm</A>

*****

That's what you get for buying your computer based on color. :redface:

noko · Jul 24, 2001

Yes I've found that to be a very interesting article myself. Real world benchmarks also prove out the content of the article in more ways then one.

1.5 T-Bird
2.1 P4 Speed

FatBurger · Jul 25, 2001

I love the downplay, "Only a handfull of processors".

Yet this problem spans all the current product lines.

Nice try FUGGER, but no dice. Obivously it can be a very small fraction of all types of AMD processors, can't it? Think a little before replying.
Not that it matters. It's all a hoax anyway.

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74merc · Jul 25, 2001

I don't know about that.
I have problems watching MPEGs or Divx on my Athlon system, however, it did it with BOTH my Athlon and Duron processors, and two different soundcards, under different OS's, etc. I assumed it to be a Compaq mobo issue, it may be AMD's fault.
I will look into this further.

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It won't hurt for long.

xxsk8er101xx · Jul 25, 2001

how can it be the processor? the processor just calculates 1's and 0's thats all it does! CPU does not make your mpegs or divx's or anything else go bad. Unless the chip is bad, in that case everything would not work not just mpegs and divx movies! It couldn't be the speed of your processor or the amount of RAM you have now could it? How about the software! What do you think the CPU does? think? hell no! programmers like me tell the cpu what to do! CPU has no freakin clue that your doing mpegs or looking at jpegs with porn on it!

It's a HOAX people!

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xxsk8er101xx · Jul 25, 2001

true true

My sig is better then your's!

AMD CONFIRMS CPU FLAW!

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