PIII 1.13 and 1.2GHz are here!

.13 micron PIII's are now available in the U.S. These are not the Tualatins, but rather the old Coppermines on the new .13 micron process. While Tualatins with 512kb L2 cache have been available in Japan for some weeks now, the Coppermines at 1.13 and 1.2GHz mark a less significant but still important advance in the U.S. market. An important feature is that these WILL run on your older (Bx/810/815, etc) motherboards. Check <A HREF="http://www.dallasmemory.com" target="_new">http://www.dallasmemory.com</A> and <A HREF="http://www.enpc.com" target="_new">http://www.enpc.com</A> for avaialability.

In other news today, the TUSL2 and TUSL2-C are now available from several <A HREF="http://www.pricewatch.com" target="_new">http://www.pricewatch.com</A> venders. Type TUSL2 in the search box.

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  1. Thank you Crash, will pass that on. Anyway, about video.... DVD stuffed that!


    :cool: Go stick that in ya pipe and smoke it!
  2. I'd be careful about these. They look proper, but they're still not on Intel's product page (that I could find). Could be samples that they're selling off or something.

    Just a thought.

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  3. They could of got them shipped from japan maybe and resell them.

    Nice Intel and AMD users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
  4. On the enpc.com site they have: "Intel Pentium® III 1000E (1Ghz) 256K cache, 100MHz bus FCPGA" Is this a misprint or a new chip...(I thought the 1GHz had 133MHz FSB)?

    :smile: <font color=green>I wonder...what is the speed of gravity!<font color=green> :smile:
  5. [ROFL]

    It's funny that so many people from countries other than the USA b_tch and moan about how they have to wait so long for products to come out and how they're priced so much higher than they are in America.

    Yet America has the same problems too!

    So nutz to you whiners from Europe or where ever you are, because you're not the only ones with problems.

    <b><font color=orange>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!</font color=orange></b>

    Hey, does anyone know how to get rid of sanity? I seem to have aquired some and I can't seem to shake it loose.

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  6. Actually, I think that's correct. I seem to remember reading something about Intel continuing support for the 100MHz FSB pieces of drek because so many losers had old mobos and refused to buy a new mobo to go with the new uber-priced chip that they want to upgrade to. Intel, not wanting to lose any market share, figured that they'd cater to these losers and give then 1GHz CPUs with 100MHz FSBs.

    Good gods, why would anyone want a 1GHz CPU limited by a 100MHz FSB?! Is the extra hundred to one-fifty bucks for a new mobo and RAM really so hard to pay when you're going for a top-line P3 system anyway?

    <b><font color=orange>ARGH!</font color=orange></b>

    Sorry. It's this darn sanity making me say these things. Usually I'm off in my own little world and completely ambivalent towards this kind of stuff. I NEED VODKA!

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  7. I was wondering it the P3 700E can be overclocked to 920+ would it be possible that the P3 1000E could be overclocked to 1333 (or is that just wishful thinking).

    :smile: <font color=green>I wonder...what is the speed of gravity!<font color=green> :smile:
  8. It would be different for us losers if Intel had a decent multiprocessor system for workstations that ran on 133mhz bus.
    ok, you have either Via or the 820...
    bulls***...
    440 all the way.
    and yes, it can be overclocked, and no I won't overclock it in a work environment.

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  9. Why would you use a P3 in a multi-processor work station when you could use a Xeon with it's Uber-cache instead?

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  10. nope P3 architexture craps out at around 1.13 GHz
  11. Because Xeons are expensive.

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  12. That's actually a really good question.

    I suppose the answer lays entirely in what core Intel used for the P3-1000E. If they used their fancy new P3 cores that just came out, then you probably could overclock it. However, if it uses the old P3 core (where Intel couldn't even push it to 1.13GHz with any reasonable success) then I highly doubt it could reach 1.333GHz.

    Inquiring minds want to know. Anyone have an answer with something to back it up at least a little bit?

    And why don't PCs have an "Any Key"? There's still some room left on the keyboard and I can always use another key to map things to in games...

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  13. Yeah, but companies buying dual-CPU workstations don't usually give a flaming fig about price. In fact, they usually don't trust anything that costs less than some insanely high amount.

    Granted, this isn't true of all companies, because some companies are small and actually know what a budget is for.

    However it does apply to most companies that would bother buying a dual-CPU workstation.

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  14. well, it doesn't apply to most companies I work for or consult for.
    $$ doesn't fall off of trees, and I don't like the 820 or Via chipsets.
    that does narrow it down.
    440 or the 815 board that I haven't heard anything else about.
    We need some processing power, without Xeon. I'm not overly impressed with Xeon, most of the higher speed ones are identical to the coppermine, simply cost more.
    I am not buying one, and as far as my customers are concerned, they're not getting one either.

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  15. Very true, but we're not talking about just companies, either. I was thinking about Dual P3, but went to Athlon instead because of the lack of dual-processor support in many programs.
    Down the road I just might go dual :)

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  16. The 820 and 840 chipsets weren't bad, so long as you stuck with PC800 RDRAM. Which, again, generally performs better than PC133 SDRAM anyway, so is good for a workstation. Yes, a little more expensive, but to me, worth it.

    I've heard mention of 815 dual mobos, but I have yet to see one in action.

    Either way though, there are 133MHz FSB solutions for Intel dual CPU motherboards.

    As for the Xeons, they are pretty much just a P3 with a cache on steroids, as far as I can tell. For workstations though, that's plenty, at least if you get the ones with the large cache. They cost more, but I haven't heard anyone complain about their performance being that of a mere P3 yet.

    As far as companies are concerned, in a lot of cases <font color=green>$$</font color=green> does fall off of the trees, and lands right into their greedy little pockets. If it's not scamming some investors, it's getting a government grant for this or that reason.

    Frankly, it makes me sick how much money companies get for free from the government or from private investors, while the homeless still can't even get five bucks for a meal from McDonalds.

    But hey, that's capitalism. I guess if I don't like it, I should just move somewhere else or shut up, eh? :)

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  17. I've been looking to go dualie for my home PC for a while now. Mostly it's so that I can do something silly like play a video game while my wife is watching a DVD off of my PC. Or so I can compile code, surf the internet, play MP3s, and bot on a MUD or two, all without noticing any performance loss.

    It's silly, I know. I hardly need a dual CPU system. I want one though.

    I was hopeful of AMD, but their dual CPU systems so far have been, well, a bit of a letdown. So currently I'm waiting on the ClawHammer and the Northwood, to see how they do both single and dualie. I can wait.

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  18. First-Intel introduced the 1000EB as a high performance processor running 7.5x133.3. Later they released the 1000E at 10x100 and the 900E at 9x100 for the upgrade market.
    Now, the PIII 700E will go to 933 over 98% of the time with MINOR voltage increases. Most will do around 980 before they start to require huge voltage changes and moster cooling.
    The 750E will go to 1000 about 50-60% of the time with MODERATE voltage increases.
    The 800E will go to 1066 about 30% or less of the time with SUBSTANTIAL voltage increases.
    The 850E will go to 1133 less than 15% of the time, with HUGE voltage increases and MONSTER cooling.
    The 900E will go to 1200 less than 5% of the time, with HUGE voltage increases and MONSTER cooling.
    The 1000E at 1333? NEVER, not even at 2 volts with a Peltier.
    These new .13 micron Coppermines can go faster by use of the smaller production process, and should go to 1400 or more.

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  19. They are selling both OEM and Retail Boxed procesors, the fact that Retail Boxed units are available leads me to believe this was another one of Intel's "quiet" releases.

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  20. there are both 133 and 100 mhz fsb versions

    you do not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong
  21. Yeah, very possible (especially because of the way reviews have been). I'm just giving people something to think about.

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  22. considering how I'm building a system that has absolutely as much power per dollar, I'm not going RDRAM.
    also, I've worked on far to many machines that can't be upgraded to build something with limited sales like an 820/840.
    SDRAM will die, but it is extremely far spread, and it is probably the most popular/long lasting memory type thus far.
    Also, for our applications, I don't think RDRAM or the extra cache of a Xeon will help much, if at all.
    Anyway, the only point I was making, you're being harsh as hell over an extra 33mhz fsb. 1ghz is 1ghz in most apps, especially those we use.
    There is no noticeable difference between Celeron 466s and PIII 450s in most of our apps.

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  23. Your talking old news on the old Celeron with on-die cache vs. the old PIII with of die cache. The Celeron is such a poor performer the PIII 700 beats the Celeron 850 in 3DMark 2000. I did the test myself on the same system and posted the results MONTHS ago. And 3DMark 2000 is a PERFECT benchmark for most of us, as GAMING is the only place most of us need a fast system!

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  24. Here's a signature for you:

    Today was like one of those fly dreams
    Didn't even see a berry flashin those high beams
    No helicopter looking for a murder
    Two in the mornin got the <font color=blue>Fatburger</font color=blue>

    jk
    Ice Cube
  25. yea, I know its old and not a 100% accurate comparison, but the fsb should have some effect...
    off topic again...
    I'll have to look at some more video encoding benches and such, I know the Celeron doesn't do as well as the Coppermine, but I'm not running a Celeron regardless.
    Simple point, 100mhz fsb doesn't make its users losers. Everyone here has the most abrasive damn attitudes...

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  26. Here is Intel's release regarding the new processors. They intend 1.2G for desktops, and a 1.26 with 512k cache for servers:
    <A HREF="http://channel.intel.com/business/america/index.htm?iid=cic+namo&" target="_new">http://channel.intel.com/business/america/index.htm?iid=cic+namo&</A>
    deez
  27. In other words, it looks like the one with 512K cache is basically going to be the new .13u Xeon. That doesn't quite jive with Intel's plans to demote the P3 to Celeron status though...

    Kelledin

    "/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."
  28. The comparison I made was the Cel850 to the PIII700, both at 100MHz FSB, and the Cely lost because of it's cache. The 66MHz versions suffer even greater defeat on these fast processors. The faster your system is, the more effect bus speed has.

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  29. I know the fsb makes more of a difference the faster the processor goes, I'm not some stupid newbie.
    However, I will hold to my decision, I will run a 440bx @ 100mhz before I'll use the 820, 840 or Via.
    It has to be cheap, powerful, and stable. There are a *few* bx boards out there to choose from for damn near anything I'll need it to do.
    I just remembered tho, I think Asus has CUBX133, right?
    the chipset isn't actually rated at 133, but the motherboard is I believe...

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  30. I have a Blaster PC with BX at 133. Most BX boards that allow overclocking support the 133FSB, even though the AGP will be 89MHz on them.

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  31. Kelledin,
    I don't know, might be terminology, but the one iwth 512k cache is listed in the PIII category, don't know if Xeon is part PIII or its own, but looks like it is basically a PIII with extra cache. IF that is what the other Xeon's are, then yes, it is a Xeon.
    deez
  32. that's part of where I'm into funky stuff, it has to be stable.
    ATI Rage Fury Maxx doesn't like an 89Mhz AGP, does it?
    thats boss's card of choice, although it will probably be swapped...
    It needs to be damn near stock specs for all the crap we're gonna put in here...
    I may go single CPU and 815, or might just go AMD...

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  33. The GeForce2 and Radion series both support 89MHz FSB, or you can us the i815 like you said.

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  34. Good link wusy.

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  35. Yeah. Thats interesting. I wonder if Tom did a similar one with a Radeon.

    I noticed at the end he mentions the possible long term uses of 2x @ 133. Anyone know of problems?

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  36. These CPU's are actually Tualatins. Coppermines will only be made in the 0.18 micron version and will probably top out at 1.1 GHZ(on a 100 MHZ FSB). These 1.13's and 1.2's will not work in BX or i815's(unless you have board with new "B" version of i815, ie. ST6, TUSL2, etc). If you go to pricewatch.com and type in "intel 1.2" in the search field you will find about 6 or 7 places selling the 1.2 GHZ version(they will be located on the 3rd and 4th pages). One of the places even describes it as 0.18-coppermine...I guess we know more about these CPU's than some of the people selling them.

    I bought one and received it on Wednesday. This was an OEM version and I'm able to run it up to 167 FSB on an ABIT ST6(that's right around 1.5 GHZ). The default voltage on the CPU was 1.45V but I had to up it to 1.675V to get it totally stable at 1.5 GHZ. I have yet to figure out why these chips are available since Intel(to my knowledge) has not officailly released these yet. I'm thinking that some of the distributors/vendors were tired of sitting on these chips(until Intel decides when to release them) and they said what the heck...we'll go ahead and sell them??
  37. I haven't seen any problems with AGP 2x at 89MHz port speed, been using a BX at 133 for months now.

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  38. >ATI Rage Fury Maxx doesn't like an 89Mhz AGP, does it?

    Fury Maxx doesnt like Windows 2000 either as far as I remember. If I recall correctly, there where either no drivers, or only drivers that enable 1 GPU.

    SInce you're not gonna run win9x on a dual machine, I think you'll have to swap the Maxx anyway.. (too bad, it was actually a nice performer when it came out..)

    ---- Owner of the only Dell computer with an AMD chip
  39. Finally, somebody who bought one here in US! Actually jm, intel does have a little press release or whatever acknowledging these chips, you can read here:
    <A HREF="http://channel.intel.com/business/america/index.htm?iid=cic+namo&" target="_new">http://channel.intel.com/business/america/index.htm?iid=cic+namo&</A>
    Wow, you got it all the way up to 167FSB? You say OEM, is that 100FSB or 133? What kind of RAM you using? Very interested in duplicating your setup.
    deez

    btw-where did you purchase yours from? You mentioned OEM, but the ones on pricewatch are all boxed.
  40. These chips have a default FSB of 133 MHZ. I got mine from puicorp.com. I would have bought it from one of the other places but I didn't notice all of the listings on pricewatch until after I had already placed the order. The memory I'm using is Mushkin REV 3.
  41. I have heard that pushing it to 167 FSB will not work because of stress on PCI devices or something, is that true? Were you just testing it at that speed or are you permanently leaving it like that? I am new to overclocking, this will be my first project, and do not undertsand this PCI tolerance and divider stuff.
    And yes I am reading and searching about it.
    deez
  42. For a CPU to run at 133 MHZ, the motherboard uses a PCI divider because the PCI cards(modems, sound cards, NIC, etc)can not tolerate a 133 MHZ bus speed. For a 133 MHZ CPU, most(hopefully all) motherboards use a 1/4 divider so this puts the PCI devices back to their default specification of 33 MHZ(133 MHZ/4). When you are at 167 FSB, your PCI components will actually be running at almost 42 MHZ. This is certainly over the specifications but some components can handle this. It's a little bit of luck-of-the-draw. The HD I'm using is an IBM 75GXP series(60GXP series can probably handle this as well). The sound card is a creative PCI 128, the network card is 3Com 3C905-TX(I believe), and modem is US Robotics 2974(OEM). And yes, all these components are running OK in my system and I plan on leaving it at these settings for everyday use. The CPU cooler is another important component. I would recommend the Millenium Glaciator. You can go to www.overclockers.com to get the link on where to buy it.
  43. jmsandrsn,
    one last question, and I think I am ready to purchase. Everywhere it says that the glaciator is for socket A, might not work with all FC-PGA's. Obviously it works with your Abit ST6, since you are using it. I am planning to purchase the ST6, because I heard the CUSL2-C doesn't offer voltage increasemnts, so I assume TUSL2-C doesn't either. My question is:
    Did you have to modify or do anything special to get the glaciator to fit on your board? After searching the internet, it looks like this is the cooler for me! Good cooling, with low noise!
    PS, thanks for all your help, it is appreciated. Thanks to you and others on this board, I am almost ready to venture into my first o/c project!
    deez
  44. I read that a few months ago, right after we got Win2k.
    His computer is so damn unstable it isn't funny, but he doesn't want to work on it...
    but now he wants to upgrade...
    weird people suck...

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  45. Sorry if I seemed harsh on the 100MHz FSB. That wasn't my point. My point was that people who are going to spend the money to upgrade their P3-600 on a BX mobo to a 1GHz and not bother buying an 815 mobo so that they can get the 133MHz FSB is just silly. If you're going to upgrade, then <b>upgrade</b>. That was my point. Staying with 100MHz FSB for a reason is cool with me. Staying with it just because you don't want to spend that little extra cash even though you're already forking out a bit, well, that's just silly.

    And I could have sworn I saw a banner advertisement on the net for a dualie 815 mobo. Was this product recalled or something? Or was the advertisement just a load of horse manuer?

    -Intelicide: The act of marketing overriding engineers to kill a product before it can be released.
  46. Was able to fit the Galciator on ST6 without any problems. I would say that the ST6 is better the TUSL2 because I have heard that the TUSL2 will not allow any voltage adjustments to the CPU(if you'reusing a Tualatin...I believe it will allow limited adjustments if using a coppermine). The ST6 will at least allow you to adjust the votage up by 0.125V The CUSL2 will only support coppermines.
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