Screw all you Intel Haters

Solstice · Jul 27, 2001

I have followed the boards for a while but never posted until now. One common theme I have seen is P4 bashing. Another theme is the P4 pricing compared to AMD. That seems to be the main reason for people choosing AMD(Price). I just put the following system together and it will stomp 99% of them out there.

Intel 1.7 OC’ed to 1.95
Abit TH7 MB Bus running at 460 mhz
256 Samsung RDRAM running at 920 mhz

Total for 3 items $430.00 new

OC’ed VisionTek GF3 = 379.00
Duel 75 gig IBM ATA 100’s Raid 0 = $400

Coolermaster Aluminum Case = $230.00

This entire setup is Air cooled runs at
36c Ambient
45c-48c under heavy load

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Stomps any air cooled AMD platform out there, in RL and benchmarks

Cost of a new AMD 1.4 CPU $200.00
Board =130.00
256 of PC 2100 = $80.00
=$410.00.

I’ll pay the xtra 20 bucks and run Intel.

SO all of you hating out there, Here in NCAL prices are low. I can buy an Intel rig that’s faster for around the same money.

FatBurger · Jul 28, 2001

And you don't think a 1.4 Tbird on a KG7 with 256 of PC2100 and otherwise the same components will get the same 3DMark score? It probably will.

I don't hate the P4, Intel has just set it up badly...so far. It has problems (like any new technology), so I'll stick with my Tbird. When Northwood comes out, I'll be watching.

But here are the average prices on PriceWatch:
P4 1.7 - $329
256 RDRAM - $105
Abit TH7 - $154

AMD 1.4 - $157
256 PC2100 - $36
Abit KG7 - $189

P4 parts - $588
AMD parts - $382

Obviously you got a VERY good deal on the P4 setup. Congrats, be happy. But remember not everyone can get that good a deal.
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HolyGrenade · Jul 28, 2001

Where the hell did you get your pricing info from?

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FatBurger · Jul 28, 2001

Sorry, lowest prices, not average prices.

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Solstice · Jul 28, 2001

Actually I don't think you could take an air cooled 1.4 AMD chip and have it post 6500 3dmarks. No matter what you clock it too. If you want to Pelt or water cool it sure you could take it high enough. But With water cooling I could clock to 2.2 Maybe 2.3

As far as Price I have 2 words for you
FRY'S Electronics

It seems the issues people have are price driven I am just trying to point out that they really aren't that different.

FatBurger · Jul 28, 2001

I go to Fry's all the time. Great prices on all the small stuff (as well as monitors and motherboards).
Horrible prices on RAM and CPUs. That's obviously different between different stores.
I used PriceWatch because it's a good way of checking overall market prices, not just prices at one store. Does Fry's ship to England? Don't think so. But lots of places on PriceWatch will.

As for the 3DMark score, I'll wait for someone else to talk about their Tbird and overclocked GeForce 3, since I don't have one

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FatBurger · Jul 28, 2001

Is 6800 high enough for you? GeForce 3 and Tbird, both OCed. <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=634236#634236" target="_new">Have a look</A>.

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Raystonn · Jul 28, 2001

His requirement was air cooling. I don't see where the cooling is specifically mentioned except in one related post that mentions placing a computer into a refridgerator. I don't believe that counts as standard air cooling.

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FatBurger · Jul 28, 2001

Your right, but I think it is air cooling.
1.33 to 1.63 is possible with air cooling. Tough, but possible.

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Solstice · Jul 28, 2001

Those are impressive marks. I did note one thing the guy took his machine down to 2x AGP to get his Overclock to work. He may as well of took his benchmark to 16 bit and then run it. Another words he wasnt running it at the default. I'll could adjust my AGP and run low 7,000's easy.
But thats not the point.

And Fry's has awsome MB CPU combo's for sale in Northern CA. The trick is finding a CPU and MB that actually work. True if you dont have a store near you no deal but I'm not worried about people in ENGland just me

74merc · Jul 28, 2001

dropping the AGP to 2x is different in what way to overclocking?
neither are running at stock specs, as far as I'm concerned, alls fair.
you said air cooled.
anways, good job man, you've got a kick ass system.
I don't hate Intel, but I seriously believe their market share will be diminished due to the marketing running the business, rather than letting the processors sell themselves..

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Pettytheft · Jul 28, 2001

The Fry's down the street from my house had a P4 1.4Ghz, Abit mobo and 2 64MB Rimms for $369, it's only a 1.4 but that's not all that bad of a deal if you prefer Intel.

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Raystonn · Jul 28, 2001

I just wanted to point out that during Q2 2001 Intel's market share rose to over 80%.

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killall · Jul 28, 2001

uhm... yeh... thats about £430 here and the amd setup would be roughly £300 thats $600 and $420 respectively...

you do not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong

Guest · Jul 28, 2001

74merc,
What Solstice meant (I think) is that dropping down to 2X makes the test a little different. Like me running it at 1024x768 at 32 bits, while you run 1024x768 at 16 bits, and you compare your score to mine, which may be higher.

But, I think running it at 2X is actually a disadvantage, not like running it at 16bit which is an advantage. Running it at 2X means the card has to perform slower than if it ran at 4X. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
deez

Owl · Jul 28, 2001

I don"t hate the Pee4, I think they are Great for
like Morse Code........

Intel inside
Moron outside

Crashman · Jul 28, 2001

It's just that I can get the performance of a P4 1.4GHz with a PIII 1000EB. The Intel guys in here are mostly waiting for the Northwood.

Video killed my Radio Card!

Matisaro · Jul 28, 2001

LOL, my kt7a raid mobo with a tbird1.33@1.55 gets 6400 in 3dmark2001, and im SURE I saved tons more money than you.
If I got a 1.4ayjha I could go to 1.6-1.7 and STOMP your setup, your pc may be nice, but it wont beat 99% of the systems out there, especially ones who are ran by competent operators.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~

Matisaro · Jul 28, 2001

My aircooled 1.33axia(not as good as ayjha) posts 6400, try again.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~

Grizely1 · Jul 28, 2001

Can you perhaps run a few Sandra CPU benchmarks? I would be curious to see the outcome......

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xxsk8er101xx · Jul 28, 2001

lol gotta love southpark

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flamethrower205 · Jul 28, 2001

Why are you only counting on 3D Mark- isn't realworld performance mor important?

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ksoth · Jul 28, 2001

I just wanted to point out that during Q2 2001 Intel's market share rose to over 80%.

Actually you are wrong. Their market share was about 76%, down from 83% from a year ago, while AMDs market share was at 22%, up from 16% a year ago.

<A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010717/tc/tech_intel_earns_dc_5.html" target="_new">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010717/tc/tech_intel_earns_dc_5.html</A>

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xxsk8er101xx · Jul 28, 2001

where did you get those prices from anyway!?

ABIT TH7R Motherboard Specs BUNDLE W/ RETAILED (INTEL PENTIUM 4 1.7G; 256MB NON-ECC RDRAM X 2; ASSEMBLE/TEST BUNDLE) $766.50 $766.50

Sub Total $766.50

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CORSAIR CM64SD256-2400C2 32X64 XMS2400 256MB CAS2 DDR DIMM Detail Specs $84.00 $84.00

A13921 SWIFTECH MC462-A CPU COOLING FAN FOR AMD SOCKET A &
INTEL FCPGA PROCESSOR W/269 HIGH THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY ALUMINUM ALLOY $72.00 $72.00

motherboard Abit KG7-RAID at pricewatch is about 190.

AMD THUNDERBIRD K7 1400MHZ(1.4GHZ) 266MHZ 3D OEM W/O COOLING FAN (1 YEAR WARRANTY) Detail Specs | Important Installation Info $177.00 $177.00

subtotal is 523

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... i'll stick to an amd system that will support any future processors up until the 64bit processors. Unlike intel... your upgrade roadmap is very small in comparison. In fact your rig is already outdated and old! northwood is just around the corner and requires a whole new motherboard and RAM configuration. Intel is saying bye bye to Rambus and hello to sdram and ddr-sdram. thats my hunch anyhow..

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AmdMELTDOWN · Jul 28, 2001

>i'll stick to an amd system that will support any future processors up until 64bit processors.

BS!

Newer Athlons will retain socketA configuration but not necessary compatibility with older motherboards!

If you buy a new board it will probably take an older cpu, but what's the point in that?

all this upgrade path talk is BS imho, pure fantasy and speculation!

also, xxsk8er101xx your hunch appears to be nothing more than pure BS/FUD.

"AMD/VIA!...you are still the weakest link, good bye!"

Screw all you Intel Haters

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