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July 27, 2001 8:52:08 PM

I have followed the boards for a while but never posted until now. One common theme I have seen is P4 bashing. Another theme is the P4 pricing compared to AMD. That seems to be the main reason for people choosing AMD(Price). I just put the following system together and it will stomp 99% of them out there.

Intel 1.7 OC’ed to 1.95
Abit TH7 MB Bus running at 460 mhz
256 Samsung RDRAM running at 920 mhz

Total for 3 items $430.00 new

OC’ed VisionTek GF3 = 379.00
Duel 75 gig IBM ATA 100’s Raid 0 = $400

Coolermaster Aluminum Case = $230.00

This entire setup is Air cooled runs at
36c Ambient
45c-48c under heavy load

Posts – “6513” on 3dmark2001

Stomps any air cooled AMD platform out there, in RL and benchmarks

Cost of a new AMD 1.4 CPU $200.00
Board =130.00
256 of PC 2100 = $80.00
=$410.00.

I’ll pay the xtra 20 bucks and run Intel.

SO all of you hating out there, Here in NCAL prices are low. I can buy an Intel rig that’s faster for around the same money.

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July 27, 2001 9:04:04 PM

And you don't think a 1.4 Tbird on a KG7 with 256 of PC2100 and otherwise the same components will get the same 3DMark score? It probably will.

I don't hate the P4, Intel has just set it up badly...so far. It has problems (like any new technology), so I'll stick with my Tbird. When Northwood comes out, I'll be watching.

But here are the average prices on PriceWatch:
P4 1.7 - $329
256 RDRAM - $105
Abit TH7 - $154

AMD 1.4 - $157
256 PC2100 - $36
Abit KG7 - $189


P4 parts - $588
AMD parts - $382


Obviously you got a VERY good deal on the P4 setup. Congrats, be happy. But remember not everyone can get that good a deal.
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July 27, 2001 9:06:33 PM

Where the hell did you get your pricing info from?

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July 27, 2001 9:10:02 PM

Sorry, lowest prices, not average prices.

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July 27, 2001 9:18:27 PM

Actually I don't think you could take an air cooled 1.4 AMD chip and have it post 6500 3dmarks. No matter what you clock it too. If you want to Pelt or water cool it sure you could take it high enough. But With water cooling I could clock to 2.2 Maybe 2.3

As far as Price I have 2 words for you
FRY'S Electronics

It seems the issues people have are price driven I am just trying to point out that they really aren't that different.
July 27, 2001 9:43:16 PM

I go to Fry's all the time. Great prices on all the small stuff (as well as monitors and motherboards).
Horrible prices on RAM and CPUs. That's obviously different between different stores.
I used PriceWatch because it's a good way of checking overall market prices, not just prices at one store. Does Fry's ship to England? Don't think so. But lots of places on PriceWatch will.

As for the 3DMark score, I'll wait for someone else to talk about their Tbird and overclocked GeForce 3, since I don't have one :) 

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July 27, 2001 10:06:18 PM

His requirement was air cooling. I don't see where the cooling is specifically mentioned except in one related post that mentions placing a computer into a refridgerator. I don't believe that counts as standard air cooling. :) 

-Raystonn


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July 27, 2001 10:14:50 PM

Your right, but I think it is air cooling.
1.33 to 1.63 is possible with air cooling. Tough, but possible.

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July 27, 2001 11:09:20 PM

Those are impressive marks. I did note one thing the guy took his machine down to 2x AGP to get his Overclock to work. He may as well of took his benchmark to 16 bit and then run it. Another words he wasnt running it at the default. I'll could adjust my AGP and run low 7,000's easy.
But thats not the point.

And Fry's has awsome MB CPU combo's for sale in Northern CA. The trick is finding a CPU and MB that actually work. True if you dont have a store near you no deal but I'm not worried about people in ENGland just me :) 
July 27, 2001 11:44:50 PM

dropping the AGP to 2x is different in what way to overclocking?
neither are running at stock specs, as far as I'm concerned, alls fair.
you said air cooled.
anways, good job man, you've got a kick ass system.
I don't hate Intel, but I seriously believe their market share will be diminished due to the marketing running the business, rather than letting the processors sell themselves..

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July 27, 2001 11:52:25 PM

The Fry's down the street from my house had a P4 1.4Ghz, Abit mobo and 2 64MB Rimms for $369, it's only a 1.4 but that's not all that bad of a deal if you prefer Intel.

Blah, Blah Blahh, Blahh, blahh blah blahh, blah blah.
July 28, 2001 12:16:17 AM

I just wanted to point out that during Q2 2001 Intel's market share rose to over 80%.

-Raystonn

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July 28, 2001 1:37:03 AM

uhm... yeh... thats about £430 here and the amd setup would be roughly £300 thats $600 and $420 respectively...

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July 28, 2001 3:00:08 AM

74merc,
What Solstice meant (I think) is that dropping down to 2X makes the test a little different. Like me running it at 1024x768 at 32 bits, while you run 1024x768 at 16 bits, and you compare your score to mine, which may be higher.

But, I think running it at 2X is actually a disadvantage, not like running it at 16bit which is an advantage. Running it at 2X means the card has to perform slower than if it ran at 4X. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
deez
July 28, 2001 4:05:03 AM

I don"t hate the Pee4, I think they are Great for
like Morse Code........

Intel inside
Moron outside
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July 28, 2001 4:22:19 AM

It's just that I can get the performance of a P4 1.4GHz with a PIII 1000EB. The Intel guys in here are mostly waiting for the Northwood.

Video killed my Radio Card!
July 28, 2001 12:11:33 PM

LOL, my kt7a raid mobo with a tbird1.33@1.55 gets 6400 in 3dmark2001, and im SURE I saved tons more money than you.
If I got a 1.4ayjha I could go to 1.6-1.7 and STOMP your setup, your pc may be nice, but it wont beat 99% of the systems out there, especially ones who are ran by competent operators.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
July 28, 2001 12:12:54 PM

My aircooled 1.33axia(not as good as ayjha) posts 6400, try again.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
July 28, 2001 2:51:49 PM

Can you perhaps run a few Sandra CPU benchmarks? I would be curious to see the outcome......

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July 28, 2001 4:20:38 PM

lol gotta love southpark

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July 28, 2001 4:30:48 PM

Why are you only counting on 3D Mark- isn't realworld performance mor important?

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July 28, 2001 4:35:54 PM

where did you get those prices from anyway!?

ABIT TH7R Motherboard Specs BUNDLE W/ RETAILED (INTEL PENTIUM 4 1.7G; 256MB NON-ECC RDRAM X 2; ASSEMBLE/TEST BUNDLE) $766.50 $766.50

Sub Total $766.50

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CORSAIR CM64SD256-2400C2 32X64 XMS2400 256MB CAS2 DDR DIMM Detail Specs $84.00 $84.00

A13921 SWIFTECH MC462-A CPU COOLING FAN FOR AMD SOCKET A &
INTEL FCPGA PROCESSOR W/269 HIGH THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY ALUMINUM ALLOY $72.00 $72.00

motherboard Abit KG7-RAID at pricewatch is about 190.

AMD THUNDERBIRD K7 1400MHZ(1.4GHZ) 266MHZ 3D OEM W/O COOLING FAN (1 YEAR WARRANTY) Detail Specs | Important Installation Info $177.00 $177.00

subtotal is 523

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... i'll stick to an amd system that will support any future processors up until the 64bit processors. Unlike intel... your upgrade roadmap is very small in comparison. In fact your rig is already outdated and old! northwood is just around the corner and requires a whole new motherboard and RAM configuration. Intel is saying bye bye to Rambus and hello to sdram and ddr-sdram. thats my hunch anyhow..


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July 28, 2001 5:16:52 PM

>i'll stick to an amd system that will support any future processors up until 64bit processors.

BS!

Newer Athlons will retain socketA configuration but not necessary compatibility with older motherboards!

If you buy a new board it will probably take an older cpu, but what's the point in that?

all this upgrade path talk is BS imho, pure fantasy and speculation!

also, xxsk8er101xx your hunch appears to be nothing more than pure BS/FUD.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
July 28, 2001 6:03:31 PM

"If you buy a new board it will probably take an older cpu, but what's the point in that?"

Gives me more upgrade options. Not neccessary to upgrade the motherboard and the CPU all at once (like when upgrading from a Willie to a Northwood).

Anybody know if AMD is going to release a 200MHz FSB version of the Desktop Athlon 4s? If so, then this argument becomes moot provided that the mobo manfacturer adhered to the Socket A specification (probably will require a BIOS change).
July 28, 2001 6:50:57 PM

Glad that you got a good deal, but why so much hostility? When Intel screws up (quite a few time in the last couple of years), it deserves to be bashed. After all, we are the consumers paying hard earned dollars to buy the product. We don't owe Intel (or AMD for that matter) anything. It is OK to have a personal preference, just don't be a lemming.

**Spin all you want, but we the paying consumers will have the final word**
July 28, 2001 7:38:57 PM

I think that those prices for the AMD setup were a little high. Through my source, they are much cheaper:

1.4 GHz Athlon C = 90.00$
Asus A7M266 = 80.00$
2x256 DDR2100 = 50.00$
Else GeForce 3 = 250.00$
Maxtor 60 GB HD 7200RPM = 80.00$
Thermaltake w/ 7k RPM Fan = 30.00$
3x 7k RPM Fan = 30.00$
Case (Virtually Any Type) = 100.00$

Mine = 710.00$
Yours = 1439.00$
Mine w/ RAID and Extra HD = 840.00$


As you can see, I do not care for paying 599$ extra for a system of equal speed. With that extra cash, how about another 512 MB of DDR RAM, and another HD. Hell, buy a Dual AMD CPU rig with that and you'd still be under.
July 28, 2001 8:11:54 PM

"Taiwan says Bye Bye Rambus, Hello SDRAM

Poor Rambus. Once all cozy and cuddly with Intel and
looking as though they would be the next big thing
that would displace our tired old DIMMs, and now,
according to a story on EETimes.com, it looks as
though the industry is set to deliver Brookdale-based
boards as the majority of their P4 motherboard
shipments. Intel Corp.'s 845 chipset is apparently all
set to take over about 70% of P4 market, which may
actually create a market for the processor after the
wary gaze folks have been giving RDRAM. According to
the article, the question is whether Intel can get
enough chipsets to the mobo makers.

http://www.tomshardware.com/technews/index.html#0249"

that is why .. also intel has stopped bundling RDRAM ... thats a fact.. if you can't handle the truth leave the forum!

and btw you CAN put an athlon 4 into an older board.
There were tests done and i read the article.
You are still a moron!

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July 28, 2001 8:13:10 PM

i think you replied to the wrong guy ... i just said "you gotta love south park"

*shrugs*

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July 28, 2001 8:31:26 PM

http://www.hardocp.com/articles/amd/palvstb/index2.html

they have benchmarks of the athlon 4 on a kt7a.. if that isn't proof enough what is? if it can work on a kt7a it can work on a kt7 but it'll have to run at a slower clock. (133*7.5 = 1000, 100*7.5 = 750) ... but you can just change the multiplier so *shrugs*

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July 28, 2001 9:56:07 PM

>if that isn't proof enough what is? if it can work on a kt7 a it can work on a kt7 but it'll have to run at a slower clock >(133*7.5 = 1000, 100*7.5 = 750) ...but you can just change the multiplier so *shurgs*

dude, nice upgrade path, come home with a 1.4Ghz Athlon, put it in and all you can get is 1000Mhz??? very nice! that's a downgrade!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
July 28, 2001 10:01:56 PM

it would be 1050 not 1000

anyways all you would have to do is unlock it and up the multiplyer on the board

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July 28, 2001 10:47:29 PM

you are a moron!

you said athlons wouldn't work on older boards you hypocrite! by the way moron you can change the mulitplier you moron!

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July 28, 2001 10:57:56 PM

Quote:
come home with a 1.4Ghz Athlon, put it in and all you can get is 1000Mhz???

I think you got it wrong. Actually, it's other way around. It is
<font color=red>come home with a <b><font color=blue>1Ghz Athlon</b></font color=blue>, put it in and all you can get is <b><font color=blue>1400Mhz</b></font color=blue>!!!</font color=red> Can't complain!
Asus A7V133 and TBird 1G@1400MHz.


:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.
July 28, 2001 10:59:07 PM

Yes, post the CPU, FPU, MMX, MEM benchmark in SiSoft. See if it beats my T-Bird 1200 with SDRam. I doubt it. Still looks like you like your system and it does what you want it to do so I hope you get your monies worth but to tell us to screw. Well post your best stable results from SiSoft unless you are too afraid to be embarrassed.

<b><font color=blue>1.5</b></font color=blue> T-Bird
<b><font color=red>2.1</b></font color=red> P4 Speed<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by noko on 07/28/01 07:04 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 29, 2001 12:20:14 AM

Screw the intel/amd discussion. What I'm dying to know is if Fry's has changed their prices. Everytime I go there I see prices that are around 20%-40% more than pricewatch. I'm going to my local store to see if they have any sweet deals. Did you just walk in and notice the deal or do they advertise anywhere?

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July 29, 2001 12:47:28 AM

>I think you got it wrong. Actually, it's other way around.

LOL! :-) actually I just couldn't resist jumping on xxsk8r0xx's brilliant example. hehe.

my point in the earlier post was that many ppl with older mobo have no choice but to purchase a new mobo in order to use a newer Athlon(palomino!)core.

so, the argument that AMD's is able to offer a 100% easy upgrade solution across the board is really moronic imho and any one who thinks this way is probably naive or stupid!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
July 29, 2001 2:14:30 AM

lol nice

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July 29, 2001 2:15:48 AM

Got links?

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July 29, 2001 2:16:44 AM

right thats why i just proved to you that the athlon 4 will work on older boards right?

you are still moron! good bye!

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July 29, 2001 2:29:48 AM

well we still have 64bit benchmarks to see yet. *shrugs*



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July 29, 2001 3:41:07 AM

ahh that sucks ... i don't know much about the 64bit field of cpu's but it is pretty exciting non the less..

i once had a discusion in my computer architecture class that 128bit cpu's are already out there for the military and such and working on 256bit cpu's. Sucks how slow it takes for technology to trickle down. But thats the life of technology. *shrugs*

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July 29, 2001 5:46:23 AM

no, I never specifically mentioned the Athlon4, when I said "newer" Athlons, I was refering to the Palimino core not the Tbird! which is up to 1.4Ghz if I'm not mistaken, and I'm not sure if you can upgrade to that one if you have an A7v or similar board.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
July 29, 2001 6:44:21 AM

Solaris is UNIX

Apples Suck my dual P3 1.26 kick the sh!t out of G4 733.

EPIC is a hell of alot faster then CISC and RISC *bad move for AMD*

Nice Intel and AMD users get a Cookie.... :smile: Yummy :smile:
July 29, 2001 7:18:43 AM

Take a look at this site <A HREF="http://www.x86-64.org/" target="_new">http://www.x86-64.org/&lt;/A> for more info on future OS support for the Hammer line of processors. The people behind GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, and NetBSD are already devloping ports for the x86-64 platform. Whistler 64 will initialy only be out for the IA64 processors, but I wouldn't be surprised to see M$ port it to x86-64 as its realease date nears.

- Jason
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Problem is Hammer can't be benchmarked since their are currently NO OS for it!!!

Sadly Linux & Microcrap has gone with the IA-64.
July 29, 2001 1:02:28 PM

They all come unlocked, just set up in the bios, but amdmeltdown dosent know what a bios is because his dell pos wont let him get to it....poor meltdown.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
July 29, 2001 3:37:35 PM

why not? if you can put the athlon 4 in a kt7a you can put it in a kt7 board ... since both boards are practically the same.

the A7V you might not be able to.. it depends if the company stayed within the socket A specs or not.. thats not amd's fault thats the motherboard manufacturer.

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July 29, 2001 5:05:24 PM

The Sledgehammer and Clawhammer will be totally compatible w/ 32 bit apps, so that there won't be performance loss. Can't wait for that processor. Oh yeah, and whoever said screw amd customers u are really messed up. My main purpose on a computer is 3D Studio Max, and the P4 is by the biggest piece of sh*t for it. It would be like paying extra to get the performance of a 400MHz Pentium. I don't know abotu Intel only customers, but I like to move forwards performance wise, not backwards.

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July 29, 2001 5:27:56 PM

i agree! performance is what i look into. But price is an issue as well... so i'm leaning towards the KG7 DDR with a 1.4ghz (overclock the fsb to 150 and you get 1575mhz). I do a lot of mulitmedia stuff.. such as watching tv and recording and flask mpeg. but my computer is just too slow. (duron 700) plus other stuff i'd like to get into such as 3d studio max and making movies.

Thanks for mentioning 3d studio max I'm trying to get into myself ... i really want to get into it but it is just hard to use... have any advice of how to learn it? besides the obvious take a class and fiddle with it lol i tried fiddling with it and i can't do jack ... i like to learn on my own... any books out there worth buying to learn or online tutorials? I do have the program btw.

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