Strange use of a wish (spoily)

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So, Dominga the Elven Wizard has been going disturbingly well. I've
been cautious, suffering a recent string of promising wizard YASDs, so
food has been a problem. Already got Int up to 23, by chugging blessed
!oEnlightenment's and finding (in a dlvl 2 armor shop, no less) a Helm
of Brilliance, which I enchanted up to +3. Dlvl 5 had a hardware store
with a blessed magic lamp, Dlvl 4 had an altar I converted, from where
I got the holy water to bless my enlightenment potions. All in all,
suspiciously nice behavior from the RNG..

I start to get hungry and look for food. a couple newt corpses and eggs
later, I'm starting to become weak, and I pray to Anhur for sustenance.
Anhur is displeased?!? I coulda sworn it'd been at least 1000 turns
since my last prayer.. damn. Now I'm fainting and really screwed. Read
a scroll of teleportation in hopes it'll land me next to some food..
no.. how could such a promising wizard die like this? Wait, I still
have my blessed magic lamp! I rub it and out comes the djinni.

Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.

One minor question.. while #dipping a smoky potion into a b!oW, I got a
message long the lines of "Boom! The mixture explodes." Is this because
the Smoky Potion is Acid in my game? In which case, shouldn't the
explosion only result from #dipping the water into the acid?
 
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Stimp Mast wrote:
> Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
> earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
> wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
> valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.

2 blessed tins of spinach?
Blessed Horn of Plenty (risky, could have few charges and not produce
the food you need)?
 
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D'oh, the Horn of Plenty would've been a great idea, I think it would
have worked out great. I thought about the spinach as I still need str
a lot, but I was worried that I'd die before I successfully opened it;
I'd been fainting for some time already..
 

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Stimp Mast wrote:
> Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
> earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
> wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
> valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.

Cursed figurine of kraken? So you can get XP and food?

I would have probably gone for the black dragon corpse though, since it
can prevent a potential YASD.
 
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On 16 Sep 2005 15:32:51 -0700, "Stimp Mast"
<free_grooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

<Snip story of using wish from a blessed magic lamp to get a
black dragon corpse.>

It's kind of a funny wish, yeah. But a magic lamp is usually
best saved for the event of an emergency, not to prevent one,
because:

a) It's only "80% of a wish", but 100% of a permanent light
source. (And the permanent light source can help prevent
and emergency from happening.)

b) You don't know in advance what the next emergency will be.


I once got a wand of wishing on the first level of Sokoban.
Then a monster in the lower left corner of the map read one (or
maybe both) of the scrolls of earth there. Breaking boulders
in Sokoban for massive amounts of bad luck, followed by emergency
wishes...I just don't have the heart to go on.

>One minor question.. while #dipping a smoky potion into a b!oW, I got a
>message long the lines of "Boom! The mixture explodes."

>Is this because the Smoky Potion is Acid in my game?

Very probably. (I don't see how it could be a result of
alchemy, because blessing an object isn't alchemy.)

>In which case, shouldn't the explosion only result from #dipping
>the water into the acid?

This is a multiple choice answer. Pick the one you like best.

a) Yes.

b) "'Smagick, innit." (Translation: "It's magic, isn't it.")

c) You can
- Cast spells,
- Fight monsters,
- (most surprisingly of all) Kill anything that moves with
no lawyers *ever* showing up, and *this* is what you find
strange?

d) No.

e) Nethack is cruel. (Holy water doesn't "wet" anything else.
e.g. scrolls, or other potions for that matter.) (Maybe
the DevTeam is saying that physics is stronger than magic/
divinity, and that's why we live in a mundane world while
magic thrives in the Dungeons of Doom. ;^)



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On 16 Sep 2005 16:03:42 -0700, "sjdevnull@yahoo.com"
<sjdevnull@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Stimp Mast wrote:
>> Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
>> earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
>> wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
>> valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.
>
>2 blessed tins of spinach?
>Blessed Horn of Plenty (risky, could have few charges and not produce
>the food you need)?

Those are excellent suggestions, and probably at least a
little better than the black dragon corpse Stimp Mast. They'll
be good for me to remember. (Or more likely, search for if/when
this situation comes up for me.)

If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
perhaps they should be.

Still, I would like to compliment Stimp Mast on making a good,
solid, workable solution to a near-unique situation, then posting
the problem/solution for the edification (and nit-picking ;^) of
us all.

Thanks to both of you.




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In article <1126915187.648782.194600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Stimp
Mast <free_grooper@yahoo.com> says...
> I thought about the spinach as I still need str
> a lot, but I was worried that I'd die before I successfully opened it;
> I'd been fainting for some time already..
>
>
Blessed tins always open in 1 turn "as if by magic".
 
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In article <1126911822.660233.140700@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
sjdevnull@yahoo.com <sjdevnull@yahoo.com> says...
> Stimp Mast wrote:
> > Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
> > earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
> > wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
> > valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.
>
> 2 blessed tins of spinach?
> Blessed Horn of Plenty (risky, could have few charges and not produce
> the food you need)?
>
>
2 blessed foo giant corpses? If I understand the spoilers correctly, a
storm giant is guaranteed to give shock resistance in addition to the
strength boost as its base level is over 15. Fire/frost giants are not
guaranteed. They give 750 nutrition, so you would have been able to eat two
safely.
 
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Jove wrote:

> On 16 Sep 2005 15:32:51 -0700, "Stimp Mast"
> <free_grooper@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>One minor question.. while #dipping a smoky potion into a b!oW, I got a
>>message long the lines of "Boom! The mixture explodes."
>
>>Is this because the Smoky Potion is Acid in my game?
>
> Very probably. (I don't see how it could be a result of
> alchemy, because blessing an object isn't alchemy.)

I couldn't reproduce that in explore mode, and frankly I can't believe
that dipping anything into holy water ever causes an explosion.

Acid into holy water:
Your brown potion softly glows with a light blue aura.

Holy or plain water into acid:
The potions mix... The mixture glows brightly and evaporates.
(and I *think* I also did real alchemy once, getting diluted fruit juice,
but I was too surprised to make sure)

Acid into plain water:
It boils vigorously! You are caught in the explosion!

Raisse, killed by elementary chemistry

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Status of Raisse (piously neutral): Level 8 HP 63(67) AC -3, fast.
 
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Link wrote:

> Stimp Mast wrote:
>> Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
>> earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
>> wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
>> valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.
>
> Cursed figurine of kraken? So you can get XP and food?

If you don't faint while fighting it...

Raisse, killed by a kraken

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Status of Raisse (piously neutral): Level 8 HP 63(67) AC -3, fast.
 
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Jove <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

> If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
> perhaps they should be.

Two blessed tins of [fire/frost/storm] giant meat could be even better,
depending on which intrinsics you already have.

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Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
> Jove <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
>>perhaps they should be.
>
> Two blessed tins of [fire/frost/storm] giant meat could be even better,
> depending on which intrinsics you already have.

But tins of monsters give less nutrition than tins of spinach, so for a
starving character spinach would be the better solution.


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the coffee, she is just not thick
 
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In article <dgguqh$a46$05$1@news.t-online.com>, Sebastian Hungerecker
<sepp00@web.de> says...
> Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
> > Jove <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >> If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
> >>perhaps they should be.
> >
> > Two blessed tins of [fire/frost/storm] giant meat could be even better,
> > depending on which intrinsics you already have.
>
> But tins of monsters give less nutrition than tins of spinach, so for a
> starving character spinach would be the better solution.
>
If the character wants nutrition then two giant corpses would give much
more nutrition than two tins of spinach, in addition to an intrinsic.

OTOH if the character doesn't want nutrition, two b!oGA will increase all
stats, not just strength.

I'm struggling to think of a situation where two blessed tins of spinach
would be the best wish. Perhaps one in which food absolutely must be eaten
in as few turns as possible?
 
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It must have been plain water that I mistook for holy water in that
case, because that's the message I got ('boils vigorously'). But a look
into the potions spoiler revealed that any time one performs alchemy
there is a 10% chance of an explosion, resulting in both potions being
lost. I suppose dipping into holy water doesn't count as alchemy, so
this wouldn't affect it.

As sort of an epilogue allow me to recount Dominga's unfortunate YASD
just a few hours after this wishing incident. Was sacrificing in the
co-aligned Minetown altar to try to get artifacts.. had just made about
a dozen holy waters and blessed my BoH, luckstone, other stuff.
Accidentally hit a gas spore that was standing next to the altar
priest... The Priest of Anhur gets angry! Uh-oh. I tried to run but he
summons insects, down about half health in one turn. Zap myself with a
wand of teleport to flee and where does it teleport me to? Two squares
over, to get eaten alive the very same turn. Argh!

Seems the RNG likes to bait you into thinking you've got it made, only
to drop the bomb later in some totally unexpected way (like the
teleport wand flukishly moving me only a couple spaces). Ah, well.
 
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Raisse the Thaumaturge wrote:
>
> Raisse, killed by elementary chemistry

It's true! I had to check for myself in wizmode, but this *is* a
possible death. You can also be "petrified by elementary physics,"
though it seems you'll just usually be "killed by a falling object."

So what's next?
"You see here a drab spellbook."
read
"The spellbook is a math textbook!"
"It is very boring!"
"You are bored to death..."
DYWYPI?
Zeno, killed by elementary algebra

But seriously, what are some other really arcane and hilarious ways to
die?

- Drew
 
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"Drew Levitt" <drew.levitt@yale.edu> writes:
> But seriously, what are some other really arcane and hilarious ways to
> die?

Jumping out of a bear trap.
Grappling yourself with a hook.
Axing a hard object.
Wedging into a narrow crevice.
Eating a rotten lump of royal jelly.
Drinking an unrefrigerated[sic] sip of juice.
Drinking scalding water from a sink.
Using a magical horn on yourself.
Sitting on an iron spike.
Sitting in lava.
Falling victim to dangerous winds.
Being killed by boiling water.
Rusting away.

-- DGH, killed by touching the edge of the universe.
 
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Douglas Henke <henke@kharendaen.dyndns.org> wrote:

> Using a magical horn on yourself.

This should not be possible. You have the horn on your lips when you use
it; you cannot direct it both away from you _and_ towards you.

Richard
 
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"Richard Bos" <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:

> > Using a magical horn on yourself.
>
> This should not be possible. You have the horn on
> your lips when you use it; you cannot direct it both
> away from you _and_ towards you.

Doesn't your neck bend?

P.
 
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:51:04 GMT,
rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:

> Douglas Henke <henke@kharendaen.dyndns.org> wrote:
>> Using a magical horn on yourself.

> This should not be possible. You have the horn on your lips when you
> use it; you cannot direct it both away from you _and_ towards you.

Unless the horn is shaped like a French Horn and not like a bugle.
OTOH, *that* would make it [more] difficult to use on a monster....

Regards,
Dan

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rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) writes:
> Douglas Henke <henke@kharendaen.dyndns.org> wrote:
> > Using a magical horn on yourself.
>
> This should not be possible. You have the horn on your lips when you use
> it; you cannot direct it both away from you _and_ towards you.

Horns are curved. Elves are very limber. That's what I hear, anyway.
 
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Jove wrote:
> If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
> perhaps they should be.

They are, or were.
 
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"Paul E Collins" <find_my_real_address@CL4.org> wrote:

> "Richard Bos" <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:
>
> > > Using a magical horn on yourself.
> >
> > This should not be possible. You have the horn on
> > your lips when you use it; you cannot direct it both
> > away from you _and_ towards you.
>
> Doesn't your neck bend?

Not through over 90 degrees, no.

But you could possibly stick your hand or foot out and blow a horn at
that.

Richard
 
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Andrew Kerr wrote:

> I'm struggling to think of a situation where two blessed tins of spinach
> would be the best wish. Perhaps one in which food absolutely must be eaten
> in as few turns as possible?

while fainting and surrounded by monsters?

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Richard Bos wrote:
> Douglas Henke <henke@kharendaen.dyndns.org> wrote:
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> > Using a magical horn on yourself.
>
> This should not be possible. You have the horn on your lips when you use
> it; you cannot direct it both away from you _and_ towards you.
>
> Richard

Hold the horn in your right hand. Put your left hand in front of the
horn. When you use the horn it hits your left hand.
 

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Richard Bos wrote:
> Douglas Henke <henke@kharendaen.dyndns.org> wrote:
>
> > Using a magical horn on yourself.
>
> This should not be possible. You have the horn on your lips when you use
> it; you cannot direct it both away from you _and_ towards you.
>
> Richard

Maybe you use horns in the same mysterious way that you use figurines.
[I'm still not sure what I'm actually doing when I (a)pply a figurine]
 

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