.13 P3 512k VS A4 Benchmarks@!

[Matisaro]

I found this on hardocp, looks like the new p3(even the server part 512k cache) cant keep up with the A4

I did not read in depth,(got to be first to post before tbirdinside discredits the whole thing) if anything is out of whack let me know.

Only thing I can see right off is the large fsb difference.
But the p3 was tested at a higher mhz, any thoughts?
http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/repoe/sl5ql-1551.html


LINK TO A4 RESULTS http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/repoe/palo-1494.html

PS: I just realized I linked to the a4(instead of p3) results in one previous thread, my bad.

~Matisaro~
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[rcf84]

well so... i dont really care about that its slower by 00.2% what i care about is out now. Basically the P3 Tually come first. There fast enough beside my system pulls better then what they tested. only 128mb SDRAM on it. I have 512mb on my system. It depends you cant say its the fastest with over fast things with it.

Would you choose a 1.5ghz A4 with 128mb ddr-sdram in win2k
over a
P4 Tually 1.2ghz @ 1.5ghz with 386mb PC133 sdram in win2k

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[lhgpoobaa]

hmmms. dunno.
is the Tully a new core design? or its it just a die shrink of the aging P3 core?
if it is that might have something to do with it. the A4 is a revision/upgrade of newer k7 core.

just a thought.


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[Matisaro]

The tests were on evenly matched systems, 128 megs of ram in both, it was a direct comparison.

It was the new pentium512k cache server part.

the p3 was clocked at 1551 mhz in the test
the a4(athlon mp) was clocked at 1494 mhz


here are the results liquified down in one post
3dbench2
p3=643.4
a4=804.0

HDbench
p3
ALL Integer Float MemR MemW MemRW Rectangle Text Ellipse
36196 62456 65633 22520 21345 32251 81942 82758 10612 1859
BitBlt DD Read Write Copy
359 33839 22831 40183

a4
ALL Integer Float MemR MemW MemRW Rectangle Text Ellipse
36041 60100 72858 26769 39466 42892 72963 69730 9975 1859
BitBlt DD Read Write Copy
360 34144 21847 36651

3dmark 2001
p3=7004
a4=7066

Final reality 1.01
p3 http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/image13/frtu1551.gif
a4 http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/image12/frmp1494.gif

winbench99
p3 http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/image13/wintu1551.gif
a4 http://www.kumagaya.or.jp/~touma/image12/winmp1494.gif


it breaks it down indepth, the a4 system whomps in 3d score. however the faster bus is probably the reason for that, given the p3's 60 some mhz clock lead, I would compare their cpu bench scores pretty much dead on, the kicker is, that the 512k p3 costs an arm and a leg, so we are pretty much in the same situation for p3vs a4 as we are in p4 vs a4.

.13 athlon is gonna be interesting.

In closing, despite my signature(which would read pentium4's if it wasnt taken by a guy on anandtech) I am not anti intel. I am merely posting some benchmarks for the new p3 and comparision benchmarks for the a4 for reference.

Thanks.



~Matisaro~
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[Fltsimbuff]

Considering the Price differences between the Athlon and P3, You could probably buy more RAM if you go Athlon... as you could afford it... And if the P3 is that close to the Performance of the A4... Then what good is the P4 that is already slapped silly in Benchmarks by the A4? I'd like to see what Northwood can do...

--Fltsimbuff

 

[rcf84]

I don't know about you people its like talking to a wall. Did you even read my post. I guess not. I dont want to talk to you to *Bashers*. Well when you get out of the 5th grade then we will talk.

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[rcf84]

OK Lets try this 1 more time. OKAY...

The A4 1.5ghz system has 128mb of PC2100 DDR SDRAM "the mobo cant support more then 128mb"

and

The P3 1.5ghz system has 386mb of PC130 SDRAM

Lets but it into real world testing okay... Lets run 4 IE windows, MS Word, AIM and ICQ open, Play a MP3, While play UT in 640x480-32bit w/ 4x FSAA in a window. Well what will win. The P3 cuz of more RAM.

You cant have the fastest processor unless you have things to lighten the System load first.

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[Matisaro]

Dude RCF what the hell are you talking about, why cant the a4 system have more than 128 megs of ram, Im not following you, ALSO. I did not bash anyone I merely posted a link, so dont get a burr up your ass dude.

(AND I DIDNT NAME THE POST P3 GETS WHOMPED BY A4 LIKE AMDMELTDOWN WOULD HAVE)
so please, explain what you are talking about, and why you got such an attitude at us.

~Matisaro~
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[Matisaro]

And another thing, both of the systems had 128 megs of ram in them. Making them equal, You asked whether I would rather have a 1.5ghz a4 with 128 megs of ram or a .13p3 with 300+, well I would rather have the a4 with 512 megs of ddr, AND pay less than the .13 to boot.

Your comments made no sense, and you got an attitude with us for posting a link which was not biased(it was not a shootout, it was just 2 seperate links to tested systems)

take a chill pill dude.

~Matisaro~
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[funkdog]

I'd have to agree with these guys. But I kinda see your point. If I didn't have to pay for it, of course I'd consider the P3 over the Athlon. But then again, what is the overclock ceiling on the P3?? Was that a multiplier overclock or a FSB overclock? Basically if It was MY money being spent, I'd go A4 and DDR. Pump the FSB to about 160 and see how high I can go.

<b>"These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary."

 

[funkdog]

Hey another point worth making, is by the time the .13 P3 is widely available in the states (unlikely) I'd be willing to bet the Crush chipset will be out. Now match that with a A4 natively running 1.4ghz and compare those.

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[Matisaro]

All pentiums are multiplier locked, the a4 would give you a much more favorable range of overclocking options. also, the a4 was out before the .13p3(they used an athlonMP overclocked in their tests.

~Matisaro~
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[FatBurger]

It's called the nForce now. The Crush was the code name for it while it was in development.

And since Pentiums are multiplier locked, it was a FSB overclock, for whoever asked that.

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[Fltsimbuff]

I simply would not buy a mobo that only supporta 128MB of RAM... If that's what he was getting at. Buy a different board, more RAM using the money you save, and you have the best of both worlds... What's so "bashing" about that?

--Fltsimbuff

 

[Raystonn]

The nForce chipset isn't very impressive once you get past the marketing hype. It offers the same 2.1GB/sec of memory bandwidth that all the rest of the PC2100 DDR motherboards do. Read my post reading it in the memory forum, or just jump straight to that thread <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=18217#18217" target="_new">here</A>.

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[rcf84]

Also its sound is AC97 now. There sound chip could i say an Add-on card making nvidia pockets bigger for more money

SPIT -> Nvidia <- Spit

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[FatBurger]

And just where did you see that? nVidia's website information hasn't changed.

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[FatBurger]

<A HREF="http://www.nvnews.net/#996515281" target="_new">Here</A> you go, rcf. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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[khha4113]

Also its sound is AC97 now. There sound chip could i say an Add-on card making nvidia pockets bigger for more money

<b><A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=996582855" target="_new">http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=996582855</A></b>

<font color=red>NVIDIA Protects Crush’s Reputation</font color=red>
Posted 7/31/01 at 8:34 am by Rat

<font color=blue>You may have come across a lot of info claiming that NVIDIA is having some problems with its Crush chipset recently. There have even appeared some stories saying that NVIDIA has to introduce some changes to its offsprings. However, today we managed to talk to one NVIDIA representative, who told us that the info about problems with Crush is absolutely not credible. The real state of things seems to look as follows.
It’s true that NVIDIA hasn’t yet started shipping the chipsets to the mainboard makers. The chipset is currently going through the finalizing stage, which has mostly to do with the chipset fine tuning and in no way with the modification. This way, NVIDIA wants to improve the performance and eliminate any issues, which occurred in the first chipset version. All in all, Crush will keep developing just the way the company had initially planned. Closer top mid August the final chipset versions should be available already and in early September Crush based products are supposed to hit the market.</font color=blue>

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[Matisaro]

Bump for amdmeltdown to see the benchmarks.

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[killall]

p4 tually? i though they were p3s... oh they are... im sorry...

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[Ncogneto]

Oh yes that thread is where you posted this little gem.

The memory you place in the slot that's dedicated to the graphics chipset will be unusable as standard system memory by the CPU.

HUH? Surely you can't be serious? There is no memory slot on the nforce dedicated to only the integated video. In some very early test revisions this was the case but was long abandoned as it made it to costly for oem's to take advantage of the savings of having integrated graphics in the first place. You are a dangerous man, you take a bit of truth then extrapolate that into complete and utter nonsense. Your statement basically implies that if you were to take two 256 meg sticks of RAM and install them into the nforce motherbaord then only 256 megs of memory would be accesable to the system while 256 would be dedicated to video? You stand by that statement?

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[HolyGrenade]

Stop crying the p3 wasn't that bad. It just wasn't as good as the athlon.


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[Raystonn]

Read further on. We've already been over that.

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[AmdMELTDOWN]

nice to see a trend amongst AMD zealot review sites which saddle the P3-S with PC133 cas3 mem, is everyone a cheap a$$ like the tech-report.com? come now fess-up cheapos!

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nice link matisaro.

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