Protection loss from Helm of Opposite Alignment

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I'm currently on my way to ascending a lawful samurai, but I'm facing a
small problem. The mysterious
force, so I've heard, makes it extremely hard and annoying to get out of
Gehennom with lawfuls.
So I was thinking of using a helm of opposite alignment for a faster
ascension run. The only
problem is the protection loss. I currently have 11 points of protection,
and I really would like
to keep it that way. Is the protection loss permanent or do I get my
protection back when I
remove the helmet? Or is there any other way to recover lost protection? I
really wouldn't want
to give another 50 000 to a priest.

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"Kremti" <kremti@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I remember correctly, you won't get it back when you remove the
> helmet. You'll have to rebuy the protection.
>
> I think you lose the protection whenever your alignment changes, so you
> will lose it when you put it on. If you buy them back BEFORE removing
> the helmet and then remove the helmet, you will lose the protection
> *again*.
>
> I think
>
> -K

Arf. Well, I'll just have to rely on my neverending luck to see me through
this
one. No Helm of opposite alignment then.

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"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't worry about it. All (both) of my ascensions have been with
> Lawful characters, and the mysterious force really isn't *that* bad.
>
> Course, I also drill out a quick route from stair to stair before I wake
> Rodney, and I explore Gehennom with a pick-axe in hand so I knock down a
> lot of walls by accident too, which makes it easy to get around in.

Yes well, it wasn't that bad. It was even worse. The mysterious force
surrounded
me three times in a row, throwing me down six levels. I only managed to get
out
by using my cursed potions of gain levels. But I'm still glad I didn't use
my last
wish for that helm. My bag of holding suddenly went from blessed to cursed
on
dlvl 6. I had to rescue what I could from it, and I then used my last wish
for
another blessed bag of holding. I couldn't pick up the old one to dip it in
holy
water, and I was too burdened to take anything out from it while I was
carrying
it. But I still did ascend though, and with my highest scrore so far. So my
luck
did defeat the evil RNG.

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"chlorine" <chlorine@free.fr> wrote:
> Congrats !
>
> For future occasions where you BoH gets cursed, I think zapping it
> with a wand of cancellation removes the curse.

I thought it just makes it a normal bag, which would allow it to be lifted
again and would remove the mean disappearing of objects. But either way, I
never ever carry wands of cancellation with me. Far too risky. I'm pretty
sure I would accidently put it in my BoH.

And what the heck is wrong with my posts looking all messed up.

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"David Damerell" <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> If you have controlled level teleport in your sack marked EMERGENCY you
> can drop the cursed bag and the Amulet, bamf to your stash, recover a
> WoCancel, and bamf back again.

Good idea. Better remember that one.

>>And what the heck is wrong with my posts looking all messed up.
>
> You use Outlook Express. Don't.

I doubt it's because of that. None of my previous posts have been messy like
that. I just probably can't use this thing correctly. Oh well.

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Quoting Timo Lajunen <timo.lajunen@suomipelit.com>:
>"David Damerell" <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>Quoting Timo Lajunen <timo.lajunen@suomipelit.com>:
>>>And what the heck is wrong with my posts looking all messed up.
>>You use Outlook Express. Don't.
>I doubt it's because of that.

You doubted that cancelling a BoH left a BoH, too.
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill the tomato!
Today is First Leicesterday, September.

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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:24:50 +0300, "Timo Lajunen"
<timo.lajunen@suomipelit.com> scribed into the ether:

>
>"Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't worry about it. All (both) of my ascensions have been with
>> Lawful characters, and the mysterious force really isn't *that* bad.
>>
>> Course, I also drill out a quick route from stair to stair before I wake
>> Rodney, and I explore Gehennom with a pick-axe in hand so I knock down a
>> lot of walls by accident too, which makes it easy to get around in.
>
>Yes well, it wasn't that bad. It was even worse. The mysterious force
>surrounded
>me three times in a row, throwing me down six levels. I only managed to get
>out
>by using my cursed potions of gain levels.

Potions of gain level are subject to the mysterious force.

The real question about having to re-do these 6 levels is: Did anything
actually happen on the way? Did Rodney pop up 3 more times? Were you
surrounded by 3 Pit Fiends, Demogorgon, and Geryon? If not, then the
mysterious force was NOT THAT BAD.

> My bag of holding suddenly went from blessed to cursed on
>dlvl 6. I had to rescue what I could from it, and I then used my last wish
>for another blessed bag of holding. I couldn't pick up the old one to dip it in
>holy water, and I was too burdened to take anything out from it while I was
>carrying it.

Zap with wand of cancellation...and if necesary, drop *everything* but the
bag in order to loot a holy water out of it (well, preferably a different
bag, since the holy water can explode).