How do you do mass sacrifice?

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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, chlorine wrote:

> My current gnomish ranger is doing good, she has finished sokoban,
> the mines and the bigroom (first time I say a bigroom, the fact
> that my god gave me Mjollnir was a great help for killing all nasties)
> and is now level 10.
>
> There is a co-aligned altar in the main dungeon, and I'm considering
> camping there to do some serious monster sacrificing.
> My question is: how do I get the monsters? In the only other game in
> which I've done mass sacrificing I was a wizard with the create monster
> spell, so it was really easy. How do I manage it without this spell?
> I do have a wand of create monster, but that makes for a small number
> of monsters alltogether, and I can think of nicer ways to use scrolls
> of charging than on wands of create monster.
> So, do I just hang around and wait for monsters? Is there a sufficient
> number of them that get generated so I don't starve in the process?

Wands, scroll or bags of create monsters.
Scroll or PYEC to charge them (PYEC is the best, of course).
Magic trap if there is one not too far from the altar is also nice.

My first altar camping was done on a level with magic trap. Between the
monsters generated by the trap and the randdom bunch of orcs generated
while carrying corpses, I had time to sacrifice a lot. Plus I emptied all
my wands/bags there.

Remember also that since you have Mojo, one of the best artefact in the
game, you probably don't want to sacrifice to get another artefact (don't
get the skills limits right at hand, maybe one of the brand could be
raised higher for ranger but chances of getting lots of foobanes are
high). So just #pray asap and hope for the spellbooks/protection.

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chlorine wrote:
> My current gnomish ranger is doing good, she has finished sokoban,
> the mines and the bigroom (first time I say a bigroom, the fact
> that my god gave me Mjollnir was a great help for killing all nasties)
> and is now level 10.
>
> There is a co-aligned altar in the main dungeon, and I'm considering
> camping there to do some serious monster sacrificing.
> My question is: how do I get the monsters? In the only other game in
> which I've done mass sacrificing I was a wizard with the create monster
> spell, so it was really easy. How do I manage it without this spell?
> I do have a wand of create monster, but that makes for a small number
> of monsters alltogether, and I can think of nicer ways to use scrolls
> of charging than on wands of create monster.
> So, do I just hang around and wait for monsters? Is there a sufficient
> number of them that get generated so I don't starve in the process?
>
> chlorine.
>

Dig into a fountain to create a lake, reverse genocide gremlins, and wait.
Warning: gremlins are a risky maneuver sometimes.

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:
> Jean-Yves.Moyen@ens-lyon.org wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, chlorine wrote:
>
> >> My current gnomish ranger is doing good, she has finished sokoban,
> >> the mines and the bigroom (first time I say a bigroom, the fact
> >> that my god gave me Mjollnir was a great help for killing all
> >> nasties) and is now level 10.
>
> >> There is a co-aligned altar in the main dungeon, and I'm considering
> >> camping there to do some serious monster sacrificing.
> >> My question is: how do I get the monsters?
>
> > Wands, scroll or bags of create monsters.
> > Scroll or PYEC to charge them (PYEC is the best, of course).
>
> The PYEC is out of the question: she's playing a ranger, which is
> chaotic. Therefore, ways to generate monsters which are finite are not
> really fit for serious monster sacrificing.

I'm playing a gnomish ranger, therefore my alignment is neutral.
But even with PYEC I can charge my wands only a finite number
of times, right?

>
> > Magic trap if there is one not too far from the altar is also nice.
>
> Again, a finite source (even with the PYEC).

How can the PYEC have an influence on magic traps?

chlorine

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Andrew Kerr wrote:
> <dogscoff@eudoramail.com> says...
>
> > 3- Pudding farming. Get yourself a brown/black pudding, or at least a
> > corpse of one with a wand of undead turning. Consult one of the many
> > "how-to" threads/spoilers on pudding farming.

It is worth remembering every level with a sink to have
a known source of puddings.

> > 4- Nymph summoning. Get a bell. Curse it. Ring it. A nymph will appear
> > for you to kill. Repeat until bored. Sadly, I don't think nymphs
> > generated this way carry the normal nymphy items.

I haven't gotten bells from polypiling. Would it require a
wish?

> Has anybody tried long worm farming? Obviously would need healing.
> Wizmode testing suggest it is possible, if not sensible or easy.

I've split long worms, killed and sacced one, then done the same
with the other half on occasion. Long worms grow too slowly IMO
compared to the rate other monsters are created. So rather than
being better than nothing, it's only a trivial improvement on
nothing.

In my experience with Valks in the mines, /oCM, (oT and other
monster creating objects appear often enough to perhaps double
the rate monsters appear randomly so I've just camped in mine
town and wandered around killing. When I started playing
spell casters who know create-monster, I got really spoiled
at the ease.

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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:46:52 GMT, Andrew Kerr
<andykerr@SPAMGUARD.blueyonder.co.uk> scribed into the ether:

>In article news:<1127939306.629800.143140
>@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
>says...
>> I haven't gotten bells from polypiling. Would it require a
>> wish?
>>
>I've gotten bells from polypiling.
>
>I wouldn't bother wishing for one. There is a 1/4 chance of a nymph per
>ring, and it can (and so eventually will) shatter.

There's one bell that won't, but then you need to burn a scroll of charging
and a potion of holy water on it to ascend.